Poll: Did Darlie Routier murder her children?

[Jeana (DP)]

Absolutely incrediable! If I were innocent why would I want my "tests" to remain private? and stay in the hell-hole she is presently calling home, case closed for me. And to think she actually injured herself? what is up with that. And, I am not so sure her husband dose not know the truth, how could he not.

He also failed at least two lie detector tests. So, he's definately not telling the truth about something. He's said that he wants to help her, but not if it means he'll have to change places with her!! LOL I think that he knows exactly what happened that night. I was told by Darlie's mother that she asked for a separation that night and they fought. Then she (Darlie's mother) called me a liar for years and denied it. Recently, Darin swore in an affidavit that they did indeed fight that night and she asked for a separation. My feeling is that she's staying quiet because he knows enough to be sure not only to seal her fate, but could cost all of her support system that she enjoys today. He stays quiet because she knows enough to have him put in prison. If they both decide to talk, I'll be in the front row for that show!!

 

[Dani_T]

Darlie's hypnosis report is available at www.justicefordarlie.net (or as it has been dubbed 'Just Darlie'!). I'm not sure whether it is complete or not- but it gives you some indication of what happened. Unfortunately the majority of it is spent on everything EXCEPT what Darlie said that night and the types of questions she was asked. Interestingly enough at the end of the report is a mention of a good likelyhood of further regression sessions... which we have never heard about. So why weren't there more? Or were there more and we just haven't been privy to the details (and I wonder why THAT would be the case )

 

[annie mae]

Greetings. I would like to say I am happy that I found Websleuths and today got caught-up in looking at all the Great Pic's people have posted, Christmas especially. When I ran across the post about Sabrina I wondered, what did happen to that case? You never hear anything and what a story, the baby just "poofed"? Also I looked at Darlie's web-site and those pictures of her looks like she is posing for future men in her life, whatever Anyway, I am wishing you ALL a very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays. Also praying for Peace for ALL the BOY's overthere

 

[CW]

Welcome Annie Mae Merry Christmas to you also. If I'm thinking of the came missing Sabrina if I'm not mistaken last year they thought that they had found Sabrina in a midwestern state Ill I think but the DNA proved that the child wasn't Sabrina her family moved from Florida to Maryland or NJ.

 

[annie mae]

Thank you so much for your reply. I got sooo excited about posting "ALL" I wanted to ask, I put 2 questions in one message, Sabrina not belonging, sorry but appreciate your answer. I DO remember now hoping that Sabrina was found, did not happen, sad. Still is a strange case, parents were strange also. Pray for Peace and Blessings to All

 

[Candlelight]

My choice, sometimes, which is not listed is-
I think it's more possible that her husband, Darin, stabbed Darlie within an inch of her life as she lay sleeping and killed his two older sons ( the ones with life insurance policies). Slash, slash, stab, stab, stab, stab.

Darile supposed to be dead, the boys: 1 dead, 1 dying.

She was small, the boys were small. They struggled, there was blood everywhere in the living room.

3 were supposed to die, only 2 did.

Why did the smallest and most defenseless member of the family live without a hair on his head being touched? No life insurance? Because he was sleeping upstairs beside the murderer, so Darlie downstairs did it would be more difficult to disprove? I wonder about all of this and more. I'm not accusing Darin, but I think this was the type of rage and physical violence which is common with men who kill. I've been wanting to ask questions and discuss this case with someone for a long time, since I saw her on some TV documentaries, but I didn't know where to go, because it is an old case and it is considered to be solved.

These are just my thoughts after reading court documents and seeing her on TV. I am NOT a Darlie supporter anywhere and I know that some of those people have been really bad to other posters in the past. I am undecided but I have a hard time with the verdict of this case more than any other prominent cases except OJ. I've been afraid to say anything because most women, especially, feel really strongly against her. I'm a woman and I did too.

I thought she was guilty as sin and I wanted her to suffer for what she did until I read more about the case and saw her interviewed on TV a couple of years ago. What I saw was that the police wanted to close the case in a hurry, and they chose the weakest live victim as their suspect, it seems to me. They used part of the birthday gravesite service against Darlie without showing all of it. What they did show shows Darlie to be immature and dumb, but a killer?

I know mothers kill. Usually they are insane, I think, and it's obvious when they are, like the Yates woman. I think Susan Smith may have been insane at the moment she decided to kill herself and her sons. But she got out of the car and left her boys inside the car to die. I'm not sure that makes her sane again, but I think she had enough incest and childhood horrors to cause her to have psyciatric problems like temporary insanity. I think she did start to kill them all, but chickened out. Her sense of guilt was obvious on TV, so she knew she did wrong. I don't see any of that with Darlie on TV. The court system may not think Andrea Yates is or was insane, but I do, not that what I think matters.

I think Darlie is dumb, maybe not as dumb as she used to be, but not the smartest person while on trial and before that. I think both the other possible murderer, most people in LE and the prosecution used her naive nature and pinned the crime on her because it "fit the times" and because she wasn't smart at all at that time about things related to our justice system. I doubt she had ever even voted before or been inside a courtroom until she was charged with murder.

I can see myself in this situation, unless there are a lot of things I don't know about the crime, and I would believe that if I was innocent, the jury would believe me and find me not guilty. I think I'm more with it than Darlie was, but I would tell what I remembered as I grieved and hurt physically. Would it be enough, I wonder? Or too much? If she lied, I can't see the lies. I see confusion, pain, extreme stress from the death of her children and her injuries, but not lies, and maybe not guilt.

I honestly don't think she realized who she struggled with and who almost killed her at the time, nor would she probably have emotionally been able to believe that Darin may have killed their children and sliced her throat open at that time. She was very immature, and easily led. The police took advantage of her confusion, physical and mental trauma.

She was convicted more on her and Darin's lame testimony than anything else, it seems.. Hers was mainly " I don't remember" which I think is true. He was arrogant about their money and their house and lifestyle and lied about their marriage being happy. Later, he has been proven to want illegal acts committed for money ( arson or theft for insurance money, I don't recall which).
I don't think she had adequate legal representation or the photos of her defensive wounds would have been shown in court. The prosecution had them and the defense had the right to discovery.. apparently they either didn't see them, or didn't understand what they were looking at. Bruises and cuts on the backs of her forearms and hands- not caused by her. She was in ICU, she couldn't have made the cuts and bruises in sight of the hospital staff and she was NOT smart enough about crime to have done it the night of the murders or prior. The police chose her as the guilty parent because of the unusual phenomen of mothers killing their children during that time period ( Susan Smith). I think she probably had/has PTSD from being a victim and hearing the screams of her dying chidren and knowing that she was stabbed too. Maybe she was also taking medication or using drugs which caused her to be in a haze. I don't know what any drug tests showed, but I did read that there was pot in their house. I think bits and pieces of what happened may have come back to her. I don't think this is unusual considering how physically and emotionally traumatizing the attacks were.

No woman did this, IMO, regardless of her name, race or location.
It fits the pattern of a man in a blind rage perfectly. There's also the slim chance that Darin hired someone to do it but I think it was a crime of passion, not premeditated. The children were stabbed so many times and so deeply. I also read that Darlie almost died due to where her throat was cut. She wasn't smart enough to know where to cut and where not to cut or how deeply, nor are most of us. Cutting a throat is the universal message to " shut the person up".

Is there any possibility that Darin, big and strong and apparently needing money, did this and let the police pin it on her or helped them in subtle ways come to the conclusion that it was petite, naive Darlie? Or is the right person on death row? I don't know.
I'm sorry this is long. I've wondered about her almost every day since she was on 48 Hours and another show. thanks.

 

[annie mae]

I enjoyed reading your message and I think there is merit in what you say. I was totally convinced that Darlie did the deed but now I have a "doubt". In my previous messages I have held the verdict as guilty but now I am not sure. I feel Darlie's police case investigation was a sham. I just wonder if we will EVER know the real truth?, I doubt it. But, one thing I am now believing is that Darlie's husband was involved some way. We all know that prison is not a place to live for an amount of time, I shudder to think about it, yuk! So, why, if Darlie did not kill her children, would she want to spend her life behind bars, I don't understand? Is she afraid of Mr. Darlie? Peace and Blessings for us All, annie mae

 

[Dani_T]

Hi all,

I feel Darlie's police case investigation was a sham.

A lot of people feel this way but I'm not sure why. Could you perhaps give some examples why you think the investigation was a sham?

I think it's more possible that her husband, Darin, stabbed Darlie within an inch of her life as she lay sleeping and killed his two older sons ( the ones with life insurance policies). Slash, slash, stab, stab, stab, stab.

I agree that Darin is a bit of an enigma in this case. I'm not too sure what I think about his level of involvement. However, I am pretty well convinced that if he had any knife in his hand that night then so did Darlie. There is just no evidence which points to Darin. According to Darlie's vol. statement and testimony there is no way it could have been him.

Darlie claims the intruder just walked away through the kitchen, dropping the knife in the U-room and exiting the garage. If Darin was the intruder why would he do that?? There would have been NO reason for him to exit the house at all, let along exit it through the garage. And how (and why) did Darin then get back into the house, and upstairs and then meet Darlie at the bottom of the stairs less than 1-2 mins later? Why, if Darin was determined to kill his kids and wife did he walk away leaving two of his targets alive?? The intruder must have known someone in that room was alive (which is a problem for an intruder theory) because Damon was speaking according to Darlie, Darlie followed him and then turned on the light. So if it was Darin, then why did he leave her alive?


In terms of the police investigation - the myth perpetrated by Darlie's supporters is that the police decided to pin it on her from the get go. Frankly I find that insulting on behalf of the men and women who had to walk into that house and see Devon's dead body lying on the ground, who had to wade through the blood and examine the horrific murder scene. These are men and women who have committed their lives to bringing about justice... and yet Darlie and her supporters would have us believe that they all conspired to put an innocent, victimised and grieving woman in jail... for what reason?? The investigators have long lists of credentials and training. They collected and examined the evidence- and it pointed to Darlie. Did they make mistakes? Of course they probably did - we all do. But just be aware when you hear Darlie and any of her supporters criticising the police and say they conspired against her because it is nothing more than a distraction from what the evidence says. If there are specific things in the investigation which concern you then please bring them up here so that those of us who have been studying the case for a while might be able to address them... but please don't buy what the Darlie camp says about the investigation hook, line and sinker without actually looking into the investigation itself.

If she lied, I can't see the lies. I see confusion, pain, extreme stress from the death of her children and her injuries, but not lies, and maybe not guilt.

I can't count the number of times Darlie lied. Compare her trial testimony with her voluntary statement, with the affidavits and with her "In Her Own Words" statement. Is it a coincidence that every time she retells the story (even years after the fact) she continues to add little bits and pieces that attempt to miraculously explain away the growing piles of evidence against her.

The sooner we stop arriving at our own personal verdict on the basis of Darlie's projected personality and yes, also on the basis of the silly string video (which I personally have never let sway me one way or the other) the sooner we start looking at the actual evidence (which is exactly what Darlie and her supporters DON'T want you to do) collected by the police and the sooner we start letting that evidence tell it's own story- not the preconceived one we have in our own minds about the way a mother should or shouldn't act.

No woman did this, IMO, regardless of her name, race or location.
It fits the pattern of a man in a blind rage perfectly. There's also the slim chance that Darin hired someone to do it but I think it was a crime of passion, not premeditated.

What about Diane Downs? Or Susan Smith? Or the scores of mothers throughout the world who do murder their children in a crime of passion? It happens. We can't deny it. Is it unusual? Yes. Uncommon? Thank God Yes. Unheard of? Obviously not. Impossible? Of course not.

 

[stlouischili]

I started looking at this case disregarding both Darlie and Darin's statements, which I do not believe to be reliable, and I began looking at the crime scene as the first outsiders on the scene did. I feel that the reliable information begins where the outsiders arrived to give their accounts. I think the right person was convicted, but I question whether she had an accomplice or not (Darin).

If I remember correctly, Darin's hair was found on the murder weapon. He has failed a polygraph about the crime. Also, I believe that fibers from Darin's tennis shoes were found on the sock-in-the-alley. Darin, I believe, has admitted trying to arrange an insurance scam burglary of his home. The jeans Darin was wearing when outsiders arrived, if I recall correctly, were bloody ostensibly from his efforts to save Devon, and the jeans were never tested.
Darin's behavior after the crimes could be considered strange, and some of his comments were inappropriate.

Not exactly a confession or a crime on videotape, but there is some evidence regarding Darin that is open to interpretation.

 

[Candlelight]

This is to anyone,

I have to ask, because I don't know-and I know this probably comes across as argumentative when I only ask in sincere wonder and without any rancor or malice but if you could see me ask you, you would know that it is asked sincerely and with concern for the truth.
Why is it within plausibility for some people to believe that Darin acted WITH Darlie but not alone, but that Darlie could have and probably did act alone in the commission of the murders?

Also, is it true that the knife which killed one of the little boys was not ever found anywhere? Could it have been wrapped in the thick tube sock ( lying on the dryer probably) to hastily try to keep the blood from dripping on to the grass and whatever else is behind the house ( very small back yard from what I could see) then flung hard and never really looked for by police because they had one body and one murder weapon? If the 2 murders were committed by one parent in a frenzy, why not use the same knife for both tiny boys? This is sickening to contemplate.. but I read that one murder weapon is missing. I think Darin did something with it outside the house and police didn't look for it vigorously.

Why is there a double standard when the parents were in the house together? How does this differ from the Ramsey case, really? One parent killed, the other either didn't, if one is a RDI like I am.

What points to Darlie that doesn't equally apply to Darin? Again, I am trying to learn so that I don't suffer emotionally for a woman who deserves to die in Texas. I admit it, I suffered because of Carla Tucker's execution for several reasons.

Even smart and innocent people can make very dumb choices to remain silent at times. Maybe in Darlie's case it had to do with custody of Drake or alimony and child support for the two of them? ( She really was shallow). I don't think the guilty parent thought that their intruder theory wouldn't hold up. Neither did the Ramseys, but 80% of respondants in a recent poll on Foxnews.com still believe one parent killed her. Despite the latest TV lies.

Darlie's bloody footprints are on the kitchen floor because she called 911 from there, right? Also, she bled like crazy all over the kitchen counter and onto the floor. If she was trying to commit suicide with the slashed throat as some have said, then why didn't she impale herself on the knife at the counter before the police arrived? If she could stab the viseral organs of her children and slash her own throat, why not finish the job when she didn't die? Anticipating the next question- if Darin did it, why didn't he kill her- my answer is that she called 911 as soon as she was conscious and while he was possibly changing shoes or disposing of one knife.

I think she was hurt very severely. I looked at old photos of her today all through her life and her life with Darin and each son, and she seemed .. well, vain.
Bleached platinum blonde " big hair" when her natural color is black hair, tons and tons of makeup and jewelry, the year round tan.. She was at 26, but acted worse than I did at 20 in college in the early 80's, not after I was a mother in the late 80' The point is- Would a person who by all documentation was very vain about her appearance slash her neck, leaving a big long scar, if she survived, that is, and WHY? It takes a lot of courage to stick one's own finger for diabetic checks at first. I can't imagine her having any strength to look death in the face and do something as painful as slash her throat. I try but it doesn't ever make any sense.

What did Darlie have to gain by killing her sons and almost killing herself? or even possibly killing herself? Drake, the baby ( I do remember which D he is because it is a duck's name) was the child who would have taken up most of her time, but he was the one not touched. His little crib by their bed is precious. He wasn't stuffed into one of their many bedrooms. He was watched over, just like I think the older two boys were when they were babies. I think that shoots down the over-stressed mother and soon to be separated wife going nuts... Babies of Drake's age are more stressful to mothers than the two older boys asleep in the family room. They were pre-school and almost kindergarten age.

Also, they were asleep on large pillows. Why not just smother them? Mothers do not usually use violent methods of killing. Fathers and husbands do.

I also wondered what kind of man lets his badly hemorhaging wife try to talk to 911 and get help? One boy was dead, the other in death throes from pulmonary hemorrhage and respiratory failure. I don't think Darin did much of anything to try to revive him although the documents say that he used more than 22 towels to try to clean up the blood as the chidren bled and one died on their rugs and carpets.
I know that I, and probably most posters here, love their pets more than one of those parents loved their children and their spouse that night.
If my pets are injured and bleed, vomit, etc on the carpet, I am concerned with the pet, not the cleanliness of the carpet. 22 towels are enough towels to cover 5 times the size of the stab wounds and the small torso of the bleeding and dying child. Where did the 22 towels come from? Upstairs or the laundry room? (Assuming that their guest baths are like ours- the bathroom is decorated for looks, with two sets of decorator bath sheets, hand towels, matching shower curtains, throw rugs, wastecans, etc,etc. Nothing more is stocked there unless company is expected.

Why can't people believe that Darlie was MISLED to make heri statements, possibly by Darin and the attorney he hired to defend Darlie? She was as naive as a kid. She was apparently treated like a kid by Darin.. but Darin was and is an overweight, young, healthy man. He had planned arson AND a burglary for money. He has admitted this, and I don't think it was to " save Darlie" that he told the truth. A credible source came forward. A source, which if the police wanted to, could have charged with conspiracy to commit arson and or burglary.

I read on an update site ( NOT Darlie's family site run by Darlie Kee or her husband) that Darlie and counsel are petitioning to have Darin's jeans tested for blood from the son who was obviously dead when Darin says he came downstairs. ( I am sorry but I never remember which boy is which name). Some days, I don't even remember my name,.

Also, the photo I saw of her nightshirt looked like the blood from one part was soaked into the rest of it after it was removed from her by it being folded together instead of staying spread out. I could be wrong, but that's the pattern I see.

I don't know what happened in that McMansion, and I sometimes really do doubt that Darlie can put it all together now. I tried to gain access to her hypnotherapy transcripts, but I received a strange Microsoft Passport message with the littlehead on it. I am not a MS Passport user, so I couldn't view the newer documents.

Thanks for reading. It's bedtime for this gal.

 

[Dani_T]

This is to anyone,

I have to ask, because I don't know-and I know this probably comes across as argumentative when I only ask in sincere wonder and without any rancor or malice but if you could see me ask you, you would know that it is asked sincerely and with concern for the truth.

I completely understand where you are coming from - and please believe that my answer is written in the same vein

Why is it within plausibility for some people to believe that Darin acted WITH Darlie but not alone, but that Darlie could have and probably did act alone in the commission of the murders?

Because if Darlie was completely innocent and her voluntary statement and trial testimony was the truth then Darin couldn't have done it. The story she tell's does not allow for him to have done it (no only in her denial that it could have been him but in the timing, locations etc). Secondly, there is just no evidence that links Darin to the crime whereas there is evidence for Darlie. There are just two many questions whose answers make no sense at all if it was Darin doing it alone without an complicity from Darlie.

Also, is it true that the knife which killed one of the little boys was not ever found anywhere?

No - that's not true. It is pure speculation that another knife was involved and there is no evidence to suggest it. There was only one empty slot in the knife block and that was from the butcher's knife. None of the wounds are inconsistent with that butcher's knife. Darlie supporters will tell you there was a second knife because it is one of the last straws they have to grasp- but there is NO evidence that a third knife was used in the attacks.

Could it have been wrapped in the thick tube sock ( lying on the dryer probably) to hastily try to keep the blood from dripping on to the grass and whatever else is behind the house ( very small back yard from what I could see) then flung hard and never really looked for by police because they had one body and one murder weapon?

Firstly there was not enough blood on the sock to have been used in that way and secondly the police searched the area thoroughly. And as mentioned above there is of course no evidence for another knife anyway.

If the 2 murders were committed by one parent in a frenzy, why not use the same knife for both tiny boys?

She did use the same knife.

This is sickening to contemplate.. but I read that one murder weapon is missing. I think Darin did something with it outside the house and police didn't look for it vigorously.

Can I ask where you read it?

What points to Darlie that doesn't equally apply to Darin?

No it doesn't. As I mentioned, if Darlie is innocent then the story about an intruder (whom she didn't recognise and claimed was NOT Darin) attacking her and then leaving her (and Damon alive) is true. So what reason would Darin have to walk out through the kitchen, knock a wine glass over, walk through the U-room, drop the knife and then exit the house through the garage? And then HOW did he get back upstairs without Darlie seeing? And how did he get back upstairs and then back downstairs within 1 min or so when Darlie started screaming for him?

Why did he leave Darlie alive? Why did he leave Damon alive? Any intruder would have known someone was alive when he was exiting because Ddamon was vocalising and then the kitchen light was turned on.

There is just no way Darin can be guilty whilst Darlie was 100% innocent. It doesnt gel.

Again, I am trying to learn so that I don't suffer emotionally for a woman who deserves to die in Texas. I admit it, I suffered because of Carla Tucker's execution for several reasons.

I completely understand. Your empathy is a wonderful but I imagine sorrowful thing.

Darlie's bloody footprints are on the kitchen floor because she called 911 from there, right?

Darlie was very obviously around the kitchen sink. Her blood is all over the cabinet and floor. The blood on the floor in front of the sink indicates she stood relatively still there for some period of time. There is also blood inside the cabinet under the sink.

From memory Darlie said she was getting towels from the kitchen whilst on the 911 call. However, it wasn't until she came back into the house after it had been released back to them and saw the sink had been removed for evidence that she mentioned anything about going to the sink to WET the towels. There is no evidence of dilution of the blood on her nightshirt by water. There is however evidence that the kitchen sink had been washed and wiped clean of blood. Darlie now claims the twoels she wet (who knows why she would have wet them) somehow wiped away the blood evidence in the sink.

If she was trying to commit suicide with the slashed throat as some have said, then why didn't she impale herself on the knife at the counter before the police arrived? If she could stab the viseral organs of her children and slash her own throat, why not finish the job when she didn't die?

In my opinion she was never going to commit suicide. In fact I don't even believe she planned on wounding herself that night.

Anticipating the next question- if Darin did it, why didn't he kill her- my answer is that she called 911 as soon as she was conscious and while he was possibly changing shoes or disposing of one knife.

Doesn't fit the timeline to start with but most importantly why didn't he kill her straight out?? Why just injure her and then walk out knowing she was alive??

I think she was hurt very severely.

The doctors testified that if it hadn't been for the neck wound she would have been patched up and sent straight home. Her neck wound, whilst coming close to her artery was described by the doctor who treated her as superficial. She was never in danger of bleeding out of dying from it.

Would a person who by all documentation was very vain about her appearance slash her neck, leaving a big long scar, if she survived, that is, and WHY? It takes a lot of courage to stick one's own finger for diabetic checks at first. I can't imagine her having any strength to look death in the face and do something as painful as slash her throat. I try but it doesn't ever make any sense.

If she is guilty she knew she needed to make it look like she had been seriously injured. What is easier to contemplate? Plunging a knife into your body deep enough to make it look serious whilst trying to avoid your major organs? Or running a knife along your neck and slicing thinly?

If she had to do it quickly and as a last minute alternative (as I believe) I;m not sure that the thought of a scar would occur to her. In any case not long after the murders she and Darin were talking about going to Europe to get the scar removed.

Also, they were asleep on large pillows. Why not just smother them? Mothers do not usually use violent methods of killing. Fathers and husbands do.

Because it needed to look like a home invasion - an attack. Smothering with pillows would have led straight to her or Darin.

I also wondered what kind of man lets his badly hemorhaging wife try to talk to 911 and get help? One boy was dead, the other in death throes from pulmonary hemorrhage and respiratory failure. I don't think Darin did much of anything to try to revive him although the documents say that he used more than 22 towels to try to clean up the blood as the chidren bled and one died on their rugs and carpets.

Darin spent the first 3 mins or so giving aid to Devon (the older son who died first). He claims he was trying to hold the gashes tohether and get him breathing again. Darlie was running around, talking coherently. Sure she was bleeding a lot (though I think Darin claims he didn't even really notice straight out because he was focused on Devon)- but Darin had two dying children on his hand. Darin was also the one who knew CPR- Darlie didn't.

22 towels are enough towels to cover 5 times the size of the stab wounds and the small torso of the bleeding and dying child. Where did the 22 towels come from? Upstairs or the laundry room? (Assuming that their guest baths are like ours- the bathroom is decorated for looks, with two sets of decorator bath sheets, hand towels, matching shower curtains, throw rugs, wastecans, etc,etc. Nothing more is stocked there unless company is expected.

Darlie was the one who was throwing towels all over the place but who didn't get down and help either of her boys. Where they came from is a good question - the tea-towel drawer appears to be full in the photos and there was a pile of laundry on the counter which wasn't copmpletely pulled over. So I'm not sure where they all came from. It could explain the blood in the u-room.

Why can't people believe that Darlie was MISLED to make heri statements, possibly by Darin and the attorney he hired to defend Darlie?

Because her initial statements were made BEFORE she spoke with Darin and her first one on record was certainly made before they spoke to an attorney. Furthermore when you listen to witness of conversations between the two of them after the murders it was Darlie telling Darin what happened- not the other way round.

I don't know what happened in that McMansion, and I sometimes really do doubt that Darlie can put it all together now. I tried to gain access to her hypnotherapy transcripts, but I received a strange Microsoft Passport message with the littlehead on it. I am not a MS Passport user, so I couldn't view the newer documents.

That's wierd- it should be a pdf from memory. There isn't much in it but I will try and summarise for you in the next few days.

Thanks for reading. It's bedtime for this gal.

Np- hope my answers were helpful. Others will have more to add! Keep asking questions!!

 

[annie mae]

Hi to All. We have an Amber Alert here in Tulsa today and I am hoping by this evening the little guy will be found I am going to take the time to read ALL info on the "Darlie" case because I don't think I have all I need to make any decision. But, I must tell you I feel that Candlelight has a great grip on the situation. Her posts make sense and seem to place the blame where it is deserved. Just my thoughts, annie

 

[Candlelight]

I had a nice reply typed, then this BB said I wasn't logged in but I was. It ate my post.

To make things short, I hope the child is found safely in Okla.

About Darlie, I found some photos, which, to me at least, cast doubts about her sincerity and maturity. I thought she seemed sad and determined in her TV interviews and they were what caused me to even look at this solved case. She said she was innocent, she wore a cross and said she had a new deep faith.

I found photos in the gallery at www.justicefordarlie.net in galleries 15 and 16, called Mt View in which she has posed herself to look like a prison pinup calendar girl. I am surprised. I don't think the photos are terribly old because her hair is really long and all black.

We judge many people on their demeanor as much as their words. The Ramseys for instance, and Scott Peterson.
These photos do not advance the cause for wrong imprisonment, IMO.

She was a pretty woman, and still is, but so are many of us and we don't put our photos on the Internet like this. I am rethinking her maturity and sincerity in a big way now.

Thanks for discussing this case with me. I know a lot of thought goes into the posts, and I respect everyone's opinion.

 

[eve]

This case is fascinating and I am glad there is a new forum on it.

I think she did it... what about you? Looking forward to great discussion.

I agree, another interesting case. I once thought she did it. I am no longer sure. I admit I don't know much more than a couple of tv specials and light reading on this forum have told me. I did read an article by the author of "Precious Angels" - very compelling -- she lays out how she changed her mind about Darlie's guilt after writing a book asserting that she was guilty. I thought that was worth checking into.

The Silly String episode ticked me off. The whole thing was taken out of context and while I personally may not have initiated that type of graveside activity, I think it was dead wrong to be selective about that videotape and only show that portion to the jurors. Also it seems there were quite a few photos not admitted.

I am very suspicious of Darin. I really wonder about motive. Is it well-established that they argued that night? Anyone think he's the one who tweaked? She tried to stop him and got injured, then covered for him because they had a sick co-dependency going or something? Or did he try to hurt Darlie and the kids got in the middle? I have no doubt that mothers kill their kids, we all know of cases but it is so unusual for it to be so bloody and violent. Usually it seems they drown, smother, poison, etc. It just seems so odd to me.

I also question Darlie self-inflicting wounds on her neck like that -- I think it was 2 cm from her carotid? I can't believe she could do that and be sure she'd miss an artery in her neck, plus she seemed pretty vain, why create such a scar? Much easier to stab yourself in the gut, imo. Didn't mean to go on and on, just so many questions.

Eve

 

[Jeana (DP)]

The Silly String episode ticked me off. The whole thing was taken out of context and while I personally may not have initiated that type of graveside activity, I think it was dead wrong to be selective about that videotape and only show that portion to the jurors. Also it seems there were quite a few photos not admitted.

I am very suspicious of Darin. I really wonder about motive. Is it well-established that they argued that night? Eve

Hi Eve and welcome!!!

I'm not sure what all you've heard about the silly string event. First of all, the part you talk about that they didn't show. Even if the judge denied it being admitted to the trial (which her supporters say is true and I still haven't seen evidence of), why hasn't it been shown on television since? There have been multiple times that her family has been interviewed on television. Why don't they show it? Why isn't that portion of the video available to see on her website? Makes one wonder what they don't want anyone to see.

Darlie is light skinned. She and I have about the same coloring. I don't know about you, but when I've been crying for a few days non-stop, or even if I've just been crying for a few hours (which I believe is what her mother said happened that morning), my eyes are bloodshot. My nose is red and runny. My face is blotchy. How is it possible for a woman who had been crying for HOURS not have one visible sign of having done so? They did show a close up of Darlie's face during that silly string party because I'm sure they wanted to capture the fact that she was smacking on her gum. So, if there was any evidence whatever that she had been crying, I think we would have been able to see it easily.

About the argument/fight that night. Darlie's own mother told me years ago that it happened. Then when I relayed the information, without having told anyone who said it, she called me a liar. Well, low and behold, we now have a signed Affidavit from Darin himself where he confirms that they had an argument that night serious enough that Darlie asked for a separation. Why would Mama Darlie NOT want this information made public?

 

[eve]

Hi Eve and welcome!!!

I'm not sure what all you've heard about the silly string event. First of all, the part you talk about that they didn't show. Even if the judge denied it being admitted to the trial (which her supporters say is true and I still haven't seen evidence of), why hasn't it been shown on television since? There have been multiple times that her family has been interviewed on television. Why don't they show it? Why isn't that portion of the video available to see on her website? Makes one wonder what they don't want anyone to see.

Darlie is light skinned. She and I have about the same coloring. I don't know about you, but when I've been crying for a few days non-stop, or even if I've just been crying for a few hours (which I believe is what her mother said happened that morning), my eyes are bloodshot. My nose is red and runny. My face is blotchy. How is it possible for a woman who had been crying for HOURS not have one visible sign of having done so? They did show a close up of Darlie's face during that silly string party because I'm sure they wanted to capture the fact that she was smacking on her gum. So, if there was any evidence whatever that she had been crying, I think we would have been able to see it easily.

About the argument/fight that night. Darlie's own mother told me years ago that it happened. Then when I relayed the information, without having told anyone who said it, she called me a liar. Well, low and behold, we now have a signed Affidavit from Darin himself where he confirms that they had an argument that night serious enough that Darlie asked for a separation. Why would Mama Darlie NOT want this information made public?

Great points and I don't disagree with any of them! I also viewed the Silly String tape, and I originally based my negative impression of Darlie on her bubblegum smacking demeanor. It sickened me. However, I have an aversion to information out of context. It can be so skewed. If it's true that she hadn't been crying, I am at a loss. I cry when I even think about anything happening to my children. Even if she were zonked on Xanax, I would think she'd be an emotional mess.

I still just do not get the motive. I know there isn't always one. I just don't get the violent nature of the crime and the wounds on Darlie. I really question the husband's role. The case doesn't gel for me. Did you read the article by that author? What did you think about her turnaround in opinion?

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Great points and I don't disagree with any of them! I also viewed the Silly String tape, and I originally based my negative impression of Darlie on her bubblegum smacking demeanor. It sickened me. However, I have an aversion to information out of context. It can be so skewed. If it's true that she hadn't been crying, I am at a loss. I cry when I even think about anything happening to my children. Even if she were zonked on Xanax, I would think she'd be an emotional mess.

I still just do not get the motive. I know there isn't always one. I just don't get the violent nature of the crime and the wounds on Darlie. I really question the husband's role. The case doesn't gel for me. Did you read the article by that author? What did you think about her turnaround in opinion?

I completely agree. I cried for her kids, but I don't think she actually cried real tears until she was arrested.

Barbara Davis. . . a complicated question. One of our posters knows more about her than I and would skin me alive if I said anything negative about her. Barbara has had an incredible life. She apparently shot her first (maybe only???) husband. Her son was shot and killed by police in their own home during a drug raid. Apparently, Barbara was obtaining large quantities of GHB because of "insomnia." The police raided the home, her son was cooking breakfast and when the police broke in, apparently he wasn't sure who it was, and since he was armed of course, he was holding a gun and the police shot him. There were quite a few weapons in the house (which isn't unusual - this IS Texas). Anyway, you seem to have a better handle on why she changed her mind than I do. So far, all I've heard is that she denies seeing certain photographs during the trial.

Douglas Mulder, Darlie's trial attorney (who, by the way was voted the BEST CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY IN TEXAS), even admits that the photographs Barbara talks about WERE shown in trial and were admitted into evidence.

I know that Darlie Lynn's mother, "Mama Darlie," got to Barbara Davis. It is, and will remain my opinion, that in Barbara's "delicate mental condition," she was no match for the EXTREMELY strong personality of Mama Darlie.

 

[eve]

I completely agree. I cried for her kids, but I don't think she actually cried real tears until she was arrested.

Barbara Davis. . . a complicated question. One of our posters knows more about her than I and would skin me alive if I said anything negative about her. Barbara has had an incredible life. She apparently shot her first (maybe only???) husband. Her son was shot and killed by police in their own home during a drug raid. Apparently, Barbara was obtaining large quantities of GHB because of "insomnia." The police raided the home, her son was cooking breakfast and when the police broke in, apparently he wasn't sure who it was, and since he was armed of course, he was holding a gun and the police shot him. There were quite a few weapons in the house (which isn't unusual - this IS Texas). Anyway, you seem to have a better handle on why she changed her mind than I do. So far, all I've heard is that she denies seeing certain photographs during the trial.

Douglas Mulder, Darlie's trial attorney (who, by the way was voted the BEST CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY IN TEXAS), even admits that the photographs Barbara talks about WERE shown in trial and were admitted into evidence.

I know that Darlie Lynn's mother, "Mama Darlie," got to Barbara Davis. It is, and will remain my opinion, that in Barbara's "delicate mental condition," she was no match for the EXTREMELY strong personality of Mama Darlie.

Hi again!

Well apparently another author, Christopher Brown, asked that she review the evidence with an open mind and after doing so, she gradually concluded that there had been a cover-up and manipulation of the evidence to convict Darlie unjustly.

Is there one thing that convinces you of Darlie's guilt? If so, what is it? Or is it just a combination of factors?


Eve

 

[Jeana (DP)]

Hi again!

Well apparently another author, Christopher Brown, asked that she review the evidence with an open mind and after doing so, she gradually concluded that there had been a cover-up and manipulation of the evidence to convict Darlie unjustly.

Is there one thing that convinces you of Darlie's guilt? If so, what is it? Or is it just a combination of factors?


Eve

Well, I guess one could call Chris Brown an "author."
As I said, Barbara is a woman with a lot of personal problems and is easily manipulated. That's my take on it anyway. I wish her nothing but the best - she's been through hell.

There is no "one thing," no "smoking gun," in this case. Its one of those cases where if you stand back and look at everything the prosecution says and compare it to what Darlie says, there's no question that she's guilty.

I'm not sure if you've seen the thread that lists out all of the different versions that Darlie's told about that night. I believe there were 16 of them. Now, I'm not saying what happened was that she had time to think and remembered something else, or something else popped into her mind. NO, she told 16 different versions. How can the "truth" have sooooooo many versions????

Think about how many people it would take from all different walks of life to frame Darlie for these murders. Its staggering. Then try to come up with a reason (just one) why all these people would do that???? Sure, even if we threw in one or two just for the sake of argument. It still wouldnt' work. Either every single person that testified for the prosecution, the doctor, the paramedics, every cop, every detective, every "friend" of the family, every expert - was lying. . . or Darlie is.

Which sounds more plausible? We've seen Darlie's truth - all 16 versions.

 

[JimPence]

Well, I guess one could call Chris Brown an "author."

I'm reading MTJD right now and will post a review when I'm finished. The best I can say right now is that a good editor can be a writer's best friend, and Mr. Brown desperately needed the services of a good editor.

Think about how many people it would take from all different walks of life to frame Darlie for these murders. Its staggering. Then try to come up with a reason (just one) why all these people would do that???? Sure, even if we threw in one or two just for the sake of argument. It still wouldnt' work. Either every single person that testified for the prosecution, the doctor, the paramedics, every cop, every detective, every "friend" of the family, every expert - was lying. . . or Darlie is.

Which sounds more plausible? We've seen Darlie's truth - all 16 versions.

Agreed. If Darlie was framed, then so was OJ. (And I don't believe for a moment that OJ was framed.)

Jim