Poll: Did Darlie Routier murder her children?

[Goody]

In my much reading of ppl who commit murder, law enforcement have discovered some who having lived in a d.p. state would cross state lines to commit murder in a non-d.p. state. :twocents:

Well, I wish someone would tell the criminals in Texas about it. They keep killing and getting the death penalty. Actually, it has always amazed me that so many people don't take their dp crimes to non-dp states, but I guess when you get right down to it, you just can't plan everything.

 

[Goody]

Duffy, I agree with you about funerals, but the silly string incident wasn't at their funeral. It was a "birthday party."

Plenty of people, did, however, have a problem with the fact that the boys were buried with a knife in their casket. Some also had a problem with them playing "Gangsta's Paradise" during the service.

The silly string party was a bit shocking at first sight, but I didn't give it much value in deciding guilt or innocence. The knife thingy was a bit cold though. Of course, Darin was the one who planned the funeral, not Darlie. At least that is what they claimed at trial.

 

[Goody]

To be absolutely fair it was only a swiss army knife and most of those don't really live up to their 'knife' name. They have a small blade but it's not like they buried the boys with a massive butcher's knife or a big hunting knife.

aaaahahahahahahahha! O, Dani, please, you can't qualify the knife. Any kind of knife was inappropriate, and it shows how insensitive Darin was to the situation much more so than Darlie. He is, after all, the one who put the knife there as a gift to his son. Amazing that he didn't make the connection but he didn't and now lives with the constant criticism of it.

 

[Goody]

And Darin? I know his support has begun to sway but to keep his mouth shut? He is every bit as guilty as she is.

"As I walk through the valley of the shadow of death
I take a look at my life and realise there's none left
Cause I've been brassing and laughing so long that
Even my mamma thinks that my mind is gone
But I aint never crossed a man that didn't deserve it
Me be treated like a punk, you know that's unheard of
You better watch how you talking, and where you walking
Or you and your homies might be lined in chalk
I really hate to trip but I gotta lope(?)
As they croak I see myself in the pistal smoke ... fool
I'm the kinda G that little homies want to be like
On my knees in the night, saying prayers in the street light "

This is the part that makes the song so shocking. Read that knowing what you know now.

Darin claims he is the one who picked out the song to be played at the funeral. Darlie was in the hospital. He picked it because it was the boys' favorite song.

 

[Dani_T]

aaaahahahahahahahha! O, Dani, please, you can't qualify the knife. Any kind of knife was inappropriate, and it shows how insensitive Darin was to the situation much more so than Darlie. He is, after all, the one who put the knife there as a gift to his son. Amazing that he didn't make the connection but he didn't and now lives with the constant criticism of it.

I guess I never just saw it as a major thing. Inappropriate? Very possibly- at least from our point of view. But I've never considered it as any indication of guilt. Likewise, as disturbed as I was at her behaviour on the silly string video it's not that convinces me of her guilt- it's the evidence

 

[Goody]

I guess I never just saw it as a major thing. Inappropriate? Very possibly- at least from our point of view. But I've never considered it as any indication of guilt. Likewise, as disturbed as I was at her behaviour on the silly string video it's not that convinces me of her guilt- it's the evidence

I think it shows a disassociation on both their parts. I can see how it wouldn't be if the children had not been lost is such a horrific way and if they had not been witnesses to it, even if just after the fact. It seems more like a blunder a stranger not close to the kids might make, or maybe a young relative without much life experience. It seems "out there" though by a parent only a couple of days after such a traumatic event. You'd think they would never want to see a knife again.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

I think it shows a disassociation on both their parts.

This is exactly what I was thinking. In addition, it shows that perhaps they don't see, feel, or experience things quite the same way as most folks. How far those differences go ... well, I guess that depends on whether or not one thinks that Darlie is guilty.

 

[Goody]

I guess I never just saw it as a major thing. Inappropriate? Very possibly- at least from our point of view. But I've never considered it as any indication of guilt. Likewise, as disturbed as I was at her behaviour on the silly string video it's not that convinces me of her guilt- it's the evidence

I don't think it shows guilt or innocence persay. I mean, one wouldn't decide guilt or innocence based only on what they might have felt when placing a knife in the coffin, but it does show disassociation between the parents and the crime, which is pretty common amongst parents who murder their young. That makes it a piece of circumstantial evidence among many other pieces that support the DA's claims that at least Darlie murdered her children. We would all like to have a video confession but until we get one of those we can only speculate by connecting the dots on some of the other not so direct pieces of evidence that give us little glimses of the evidence we don't have.

In all fairness though, I think this one tells us more about Darin than it does Darlie because she wasn't the one who decided to do most of what was done at the funeral. I imagine Darin ran his ideas past her and she probably agreed, but that is different than being the one actually making the decisions.

 

[Goody]

This is exactly what I was thinking. In addition, it shows that perhaps they don't see, feel, or experience things quite the same way as most folks. How far those differences go ... well, I guess that depends on whether or not one thinks that Darlie is guilty.

I don't know. Can two normal by all appearances young adults actually be THAT different from their peers? Is it possible not to see that bloody knife plunging at your children, hear their screams every time you close your eyes even if you weren't present or didn't see the attack? How could you handle any knife in the days following the crime without seeing it, feel the cool metal without feeling absolutely devastated down to your toes?

We know we are all different in some respects but HOW different are we really? Are we THAT different?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Chilling post, Goody. After reading it, I realize that most parents are more deeply different than Darlie & Darin than I had originally thought. Even if by some bizarre circumstance I would snap and harm my children, once I regained my senses I would take my own life. There's no way I could go on. They wouldn't be able to execute me quickly enough.

 

[Goody]

Chilling post, Goody. After reading it, I realize that most parents are more deeply different than Darlie & Darin than I had originally thought. Even if by some bizarre circumstance I would snap and harm my children, once I regained my senses I would take my own life. There's no way I could go on. They wouldn't be able to execute me quickly enough.

That is why most mother's confess. They don't even try to hide it. Neither of these parents seem to have felt that way. Makes you wonder,doesn't it?

 

[Cowgirl]

As a person who feels bad about yelling at my dogs, I just cannot imagine how this woman lives with herself. I cannot imagine why she did it, I cannot imagine living through the death of my kids if someone else did it, and I cannot conceive how she lives with it now. She is one cold customer. I don't even have a theory about her husband, but somehow, I feel like he is her victim too.

Guilty per se, and any other "say" as well!

 

[Goody]

As a person who feels bad about yelling at my dogs, I just cannot imagine how this woman lives with herself. I cannot imagine why she did it, I cannot imagine living through the death of my kids if someone else did it, and I cannot conceive how she lives with it now. She is one cold customer. I don't even have a theory about her husband, but somehow, I feel like he is her victim too.

Guilty per se, and any other "say" as well!

Funny that you used the word "cold". Mulder used it too when describing her. Springer claimed a reporter overheard him tell another atty during a recess that Darlie was "one cold fish."

 

[beesy]

As a person who feels bad about yelling at my dogs, I just cannot imagine how this woman lives with herself. I cannot imagine why she did it, I cannot imagine living through the death of my kids if someone else did it, and I cannot conceive how she lives with it now. She is one cold customer. I don't even have a theory about her husband, but somehow, I feel like he is her victim too.

Guilty per se, and any other "say" as well!

He is her victim too. I can't decide the right word. Is he brainwashed, blinded, guilty, I don't know? I know she is in control of this whole thing and he just follows along. Smart to save himself, but once again a dufus when it comes to her.

 

[Goody]

He is her victim too. I can't decide the right word. Is he brainwashed, blinded, guilty, I don't know? I know she is in control of this whole thing and he just follows along. Smart to save himself, but once again a dufus when it comes to her.

I don't know. I have seen so many guys let the women take the heat for things they do or say, yet behind the scenes they are the ones calling the shots. I think the jury is still out on that one.

I think Darlie is gutsier than he is, that she was the aggressive one and the one more prone to do the dirty work, but I am not sure that means she was bossing him around or making all the decisions. For all we know, he could be an Eddie Haskell behind the scenes telling her what to do and publicly shrugging his shoulders as if he has no idea why she did it.

When my boys were little, one would say, "I wonder what would happen if we did this or that." The other one would do it and he'd get in trouble for it. The one who thought it up would just say, "Don't look at me. I didn't do it," but he knew perfectly well if he said it out loud that his idiot brother would do it. That way he would get the pleasure of seeing it done without getting his own hands dirty. (Born to be a politician, I think)

I am not convinced that Darin is as dumb as he looks or as innocent as he claims.

 

[beesy]

For all we know, he could be an Eddie Haskell behind the scenes telling her what to do and publicly shrugging his shoulders as if he has no idea why she did it.

:laugh: I happen to like Eddie Haskell, he's misunderstood, poor dear. So watch your comparisons to Darin. shame on you:crazy:

 

[Goody]

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:laugh: I happen to like Eddie Haskell, he's misunderstood, poor dear. So watch your comparisons to Darin. shame on you:crazy:

I hope you mean you like the guy who plays the character, not the character himself. LOL! Of course, now days even the character is a light weight when compared to today's kid in the neighborhood you'd rather do without.

 

[beesy]

I hope you mean you like the guy who plays the character, not the character himself. LOL! Of course, now days even the character is a light weight when compared to today's kid in the neighborhood you'd rather do without.

I like Eddie, the character. I see something deeper in his eyes than the little rat he shows the world. He's hurting, that's all Goody. LOL

 

[Goody]

I like Eddie, the character. I see something deeper in his eyes than the little rat he shows the world. He's hurting, that's all Goody. LOL

Yeah, like the wimpy little kid who rats out his friends all the time hurts over the black eyes they keep giving him. ahahahahahahahhaha!

 

[vanillasky]

I know I'm very late in getting to this topic, but I just spent quite a while reading the past 9 pages. (Of course, I have lots more threads to go in here too) But... can anyone recommend a book about the case? One that wasn't written by a Darlie supporter - a book that is fairly straightforward. I saw several books mentioned in the last 9 pages, but it sounded like they weren't true to the facts.

Also, I had a question for Jeana... you mentioned about the boys being exhumed and having their hands removed - did I read that correctly?? When did that happen? I've never really gotten in depth with this case, that is why I haven't heard that before. Also, what was your relationship to Darlie's mother? Friend? Neighbor? Sorry for so many questions, I'm just very curious.

Thank you!