All of the authors did that. I don't think that means she didn't attend the trial. Darin said there were about 5 authors in the court room who planned on writing books on the case. Wonder what happened to the other two.beesy said:
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No, it doesn't mean that. I think Mary mentioned that Springer did not attend, but I'm not sure. Of course Darin would know about the writers wouldn't he, jeez:loser: Weren't they trying to make book/movie deals soon after the murders?Goody said:
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I'm very sorry for my mistake. Patricia Springer did attend the trial.
I was going on memory, which is a dangerous undertaking at my age, lol!
Some of the writers talked about that in their books. Silver Creek Productions (going from memory here) is who Darin signed with after Darlie's arrest. I just saw something the other day that was done by the same company, another true crime story. But then he supposedly turned around and sold his rights to CWB, who moved in with the Routier family (Sarilda and clan). So who knows exactly what happened. Maybe it was just a way to raise money to hire Mulder once the public defenders made it known they were going to use Darin as an alternative suspect in their defense of Darlie. I imagine the story rights are well protected under CWB's name but it doesn't look like they will ever be worth much.beesy said:
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I don't know much about this case except what I have read here but I have been reading for 2 days and can't stop wondering what happened that night. Is it possible that her throat was slashed by one of the boys? She takes out her anger at her husband on the kids because she is so self centered and worried about looking perfect that if he leaves everyone will know that she doesn't have the perfect life. The boys are being boys, maybe rough housing and she starts to hit them, maybe one of the boys grabs a knife to "protect" himself and his brother. This is just a thought that came to me. I just don't see her cutting her own throat, I think if she was going to stab herself she would have gone with the stomach or chest. JMO of course.
You can't imagine her doing such a thing because it freaks you out just thinking of a butcher knife to your throat. It would freak out most people. But if your life was on the line and you really had to prove you were a victim, too, you might just conquer that fear and do it anyway. It wouldn't have taken more than a second or two to do it, and the angle it is in avoids all he important stuff like windpipe, vocal chords, arteries, etc. Plus it angles downward which is found in many self inflicted neck wounds. That downward angle really gives it away for me. If the knife had been in someone else's hands and he wanted to seriously hurt her, I think the cut would have been more level, from one side of the neck to the other.SpongeBathHotPants said:
Then take her story....she is either laying down on the couch sleeping or struggling with the intruder (which she later changed to two intruders). If she is wiggling around, how would he even get to her neck unless he came in from behind her without stabbing her upper torso, arms, and hands repeatedly? If she were laying down and sleeping, how could he botch it so badly? He would have had a clear shot, so to speak. If he did come up from behind her, nothing would have stopped him from slitting her throat from ear to ear.
And where is the blood that would have been flying around on that sofa? The whole story about the intruder attack is bogus.
And the boys could not have done it. Damon was attacked in the back in his sleep, and Devon never moved from his position on the floor where he slept. Whether he was awake or asleep when attacked, Devon was subdued in seconds. The blood evidence tells us that. Any fight he might have made was probably only defensively and probably only lasted a minute or two at most.
But I am with you about wondering what happened that night. I am convinced Darlie did it, but I don't know why...or what triggered her actions. I would love to know that.
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Ohhhh good point!!!! Nevermind. I have a creative mind but am not that smart LOL...
I guess I hoped that the kids got something out of it (I don't mean that to sound like it does).
I have been reading the transcripts and I think the husband is either a moron or guilty of some thing... or both....
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Well, we're pretty sure Devon had time to raise his legs and kick at his mother. There is a nick on his buttocks which could have come from a kick causing the knife to slip for a second. There is a theory that Darlie was scared Devon had caused enough bruising for her to decide to become a victim too. None of the murders were well-planned or perfectly executed, but things seem to have gone downhill once she cut her throat. Another theory is that she called 911 before she wanted to because her neck would have bled alot at first and frightened her. She was most likely still trying to wipe up blood and doing whatever else she felt she needed to do while she was on the phone with 911. Luminol picked up invisible blood in a swirl pattern on the kitchen counter and in the sink. So it's believed that she cut her throat there.SpongeBathHotPants said:
This was pointed out to me before because at first I too couldn't stand the thought of cutting your own throat. If you needed to make yourself a victim of a knife attack, could you have thrust a knife into your tummy or chest? And looking at it from her intruder story, the killer would have have better access to that area than to her throat. Also, killers do not typically change MO's, i.e. the boys were stabbed, Darlie was cut. From what I've read and seen there weren't any photos taken of Darlie's torso, which could have been bruised by a kicking Devon. I've always felt that was odd, because most victims/suspects are photographed nude. Maybe they were scared of her
. I call Darin a doofus, bless his heart, but I think he's really wiley, which means he good at deception and can easily put on masks.I believe that he came downstairs and helped her. Read Goody's "The Motive" thread.
Another thing is in one of Darlie's stories she calls the intruder a "blur of a man". I love calling her intruder a blur so if you see that, now you'll understand.
It is very difficult to find any humor when on this forum...however there are moments!!beesy said:Well, we're pretty sure Devon had time to raise his legs and kick at his mother. There is a nick on his buttocks which could have come from a kick causing the knife to slip for a second. There is a theory that Darlie was scared Devon had caused enough bruising for her to decide to become a victim too. None of the murders were well-planned or perfectly executed, but things seem to have gone downhill once she cut her throat. Another theory is that she called 911 before she wanted to because her neck would have bled alot at first and frightened her. She was most likely still trying to wipe up blood and doing whatever else she felt she needed to do while she was on the phone with 911. Luminol picked up invisible blood in a swirl pattern on the kitchen counter and in the sink. So it's believed that she cut her throat there.
This was pointed out to me before because at first I too couldn't stand the thought of cutting your own throat. If you needed to make yourself a victim of a knife attack, could you have thrust a knife into your tummy or chest? And looking at it from her intruder story, the killer would have have better access to that area than to her throat. Also, killers do not typically change MO's, i.e. the boys were stabbed, Darlie was cut. From what I've read and seen there weren't any photos taken of Darlie's torso, which could have been bruised by a kicking Devon. I've always felt that was odd, because most victims/suspects are photographed nude. Maybe they were scared of her
I call Darin a doofus, bless his heart, but I think he's really wiley, which means he good at deception and can easily put on masks.I believe that he came downstairs and helped her. Read Goody's "The Motive" thread.
Another thing is in one of Darlie's stories she calls the intruder a "blur of a man". I love calling her intruder a blur so if you see that, now you'll understand.
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Do you think Darin help with some of her bruising? The wine glass and vacum to me says that she and Darin were fighting and maybe he pushed her into the wine rack, a glass breaks and after he goes to bed she get the vacume out to clean it up but then the kids start in before she gets a chance to. Just a thought...
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I like that idea of the vaccum being out to clean up the wine glass... hadn't thought of that before. Well done
But if Darin (or an intruder or anyone) had pushed Darlie against the wine rack hard enough to dislodge one glass then we should have seen more than one single glass damaged.Pssst Goody- After years reading up on this case I had my first Darlie dream last night. I dreamt that they arrested an intruder for the murders LOL
I like that about the vacuum, too. I also never thought of that. That might very well explain the wheels in the blood, and the starting and stopping of their path that was so confusing. I bet she couldn't figure out how to do it without blood going everywhere and had to abandon the attempt. Would that explain why most of the glass was not in the walking area? Maybe she pushed it aside intentionally, planning to sweep up the larger pieces and vacuum the smaller ones. I can't remember much about the glass evidence right now.Dani_T said:I like that idea of the vaccum being out to clean up the wine glass... hadn't thought of that before. Well done
O, my gosh! Wouldn't that be something? That we have ALL been wrong all these years and running off with our mouths??? Was there anything prophetic about the dream or was it just one of those silly dreams? You don't think God's angels were whispering in your ear, do you?????Dani_T said:
What is really interesting about Darlie is that in the beginning she seemed to be embellishing her story to friends as if she did not think they would ever tell what she told them (and most of them didn't, imo), but that is so like young people who are always gossiping amongst themselves, telling and retelling a story of a car accident they were in or witnessed. It is difficult to see her in that light and match it up to other glimpses we get of her.beesy said:
O, yes, the blur. A blur keeps her from having to positively ID the intruder. That way she won't blame someone else for something they didn't do. Another conflicting image. She didn't mind slaughtering her children but seemed to be concerned about falsely ID'ing someone else. That was Susan Smith's fear too. At least in my opinion. I think she made of the black man image because she felt people would believe her when she couldn't ID anyone in particular. That old southern thing about them all looking alike. Of course, they don't, but in her mind maybe they did. Personally I think you could fill up a room with Leo DiCaprios, Matt Damons, and a dozen other similiarly featured young white men and I wouldn't be able to tell them apart in a line up later.beesy said:
Goody-- I realize you are responding to someones dream...but my....you sound so excited about it...like you are hoping it is truly a possibility......get over it--- it is not possible---- darlie killed her 2 sleeping little boys..............:banghead:Goody said:
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