Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[SMK]

I understand that you feel it is important, I really do. And I understand that you learned the concept of "proclivity offenders registry/list" in an undergrad Jurisprudence class. Undergrad classes always make for developing good critical thinking and yet at the same time, tend to make one think that whatever topic/subject at hand is of urgent importance.

Here's what I'm saying:

If you had taken an Actuarial class, what would be focused would be statistics say of those who will inherit heart disease (if we want to stay on genetics & inheritability). See, there's money in that arena and therefore a slight chance that it stands to be enacted possibly further down the road.

Money changes things and moves research forward but there really is very little money for any agency or private sector to push for "proclivity registries" for mental health. We all know that psycho/social dynamics impact development and the outcomes of personality disorders and emotionality. There is no guarantee, "recipe" or perfect science to pre-determine who will become a murderer. Heck, we can't even get basic mental health care in this country, let alone a leap out to the abyss of a "proclivity registry".

So that's why I have said I wouldn't worry about it so much, SMK. Science will progress regardless of our concerns and worries about eugenics will always be there. I understand completely.

I appreciate what you are saying, but cannot agree that there would be no profit motive to mimic an "exact science" because of the Prisons for Profit problem in this country.

It would be very, very profitable for some institutions to contain people, to lock them up, for the reason that they may have a proclivity to offend. In fact, this has already been done with many juveniles and with youth with certain mental disabilities (with many backlash groups forming and complaining, thanks be to God).

So I think statistically it remains a formidable worry. (Just as when they speak of certain new early and precise in vitro testing methods to screen out many genetic disorders : One immediately thinks of the possibility of a world where bipolars, Downs syndrome, etc. have been banned. ) Yes, eugenics abuse has and will remain a concern, as you say - and with good cause.

 

[SMK]

I believe he stabbed the grandmother but did not kill her--she lived.
It sounds like Anthony was a Paranoid Schizophrenic (AXIS I).

Yes, that was his label: However, upon reading the book, his mother and her incestuous and completely evil lack of boundaries struck me as being able to poison the well for even the healthiest child. I would agree with Human that she makes Jodi seem a choir girl.

 

[ATasteOfHoney]

I appreciate what you are saying, but cannot agree that there would be no profit motive to mimic an "exact science" because of the Prisons for Profit problem in this country.

It would be very, very profitable for some institutions to contain people, to lock them up, for the reason that they may have a proclivity to offend. In fact, this has already been done with many juveniles and with youth with certain mental disabilities (with many backlash groups forming and complaining, thanks be to God).

So I think statistically it remains a formidable worry. (Just as when they speak of certain new early and precise in vitro testing methods to screen out many genetic disorders : One immediately thinks of the possibility of a world where bipolars, Downs syndrome, etc. have been banned. ) Yes, eugenics abuse has and will remain a concern, as you say - and with good cause.

I am not a fan of private prisons. They seem to be owned by a select few large corporations that are springing up everywhere and make big profits. They make their money by keeping their "numbers up" (prisoner count) so what is their incentive to ever let anyone out? Do these prison guards trump up the slightest prisoner infraction to add on more time? I would bet they do!

Anyway, sorry if OT....

 

[SMK]

I am not a fan of private prisons. They seem to be owned by a select few large corporations that are springing up everywhere and make big profits. They make their money by keeping their "numbers up" (prisoner count) so what is their incentive to ever let anyone out? Do these prison guards trump up the slightest prisoner infraction to add on more time? I would bet they do!

Anyway, sorry if OT....

Well said, and yes, private prisons run counter to democratic principles and all ethics of justice at the deepest level.

 

[human]

I know there is a lot of OT here, but what can you keep saying, except she is BPD or DID or whatever,

To me, it is interesting to hear about other kind of OT topics that do fit in, to me.

Thinking which leads people to make new inventions, such as Bakelite. Lol

The mother of Anthony does sound Jodi ish with her lying , pursuing men, and living off of others.

I like to read other's thoughts.

 

[human]

I think of some men I know that do not let the little head do the thinking. I hope anyway

 

[OEJ]

For anyone who is confused/interested:

Transference is a phenomenon characterized by unconscious redirection of feelings from one person to another. One definition of transference is "the inappropriate repetition in the present of a relationship that was important in a person's childhood." Another definition is "the redirection of feelings and desires and especially of those unconsciously retained from childhood toward a new object." Still another definition is "a reproduction of emotions relating to repressed experiences, especially of childhood, and the substitution of another person ... for the original object of the repressed impulses." Transference was first described by Sigmund Freud, who acknowledged its importance for psychoanalysis for better understanding of the patient's feelings.

Transference - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Countertransference is defined as redirection of a psychotherapist's feelings toward a client—or, more generally, as a therapist's emotional entanglement with a client.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Countertransference

I am certain one can find plenty of examples of transference on this very thread.

So, maybe Transference was the correct terminology after all.

 

[human]

So, maybe Transference was the correct terminology after all.

Looks like we are back to Jodi's childhood, of which we know practically nothing.

 

[lil_buddy]

So, maybe Transference was the correct terminology after all.

Projection is like accusing everyone of stealing when you are in fact a thief.

Transference is like when you meet someone who reminds of your abusive dad and you assume that person really is like your dad. Maybe you treat that man with coldness accordingly or empathize with his kids thinking they are probably abused.

 

[OEJ]

Projection is like accusing everyone of stealing when you are in fact a thief.

Transference is like when you meet someone who reminds of your abusive dad and you assume that person really is like your dad. Maybe you treat that man with coldness accordingly or empathize with his kids thinking they are probably abused.

Could it be like when you meet someone and see them as your idealized dad?

 

[lil_buddy]

Could it be like when you meet someone and see them as your idealized dad?

I'm not sure what you mean?
Need more info.

 

[human]

Jodi sees TA as her idealized Dad?

A little incestuous for me

 

[OEJ]

I'm not sure what you mean?
Need more info.

Can Transference mean a person could transfer their childhood hopes of the ideal parent they never had onto another person?

 

[OEJ]

Jodi sees TA as her idealized Dad?

A little incestuous for me

Not the actual dad, but the unmet needs from a dad or mom.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Oh you mean like when you transfer unresolved childhood issues on to a spouse?

 

[OEJ]

Oh you mean like when you transfer unresolved childhood issues on to a spouse?

Yes, like that. Is that Transference, also?

 

[SMK]

So, maybe Transference was the correct terminology after all.

In my opinion, it was - because Transference is the type of projection which encompasses the JA-TA dyad.

 

[SMK]

Can Transference mean a person could transfer their childhood hopes of the ideal parent they never had onto another person?

That is exactly what they do, according to Searles (he wrote the epic work, "Counter Transference", about the unmet needs coming also from the psychotherapist, and projected onto the patient.)

 

[SMK]

Jodi sees TA as her idealized Dad?

A little incestuous for me

It would imply that TA was also seeking from Jodi the meeting of needs which went unmet and unrecognized in childhood. Transference is usually a two-way street.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Yes, you can attract a partner who has the same negative traits as a parent in order to confront the issue (and overcome it) as an adult too .. all incredibly subconscious of course, it would be more obvious if Arias had drug addiction issues, but her addiction to Travis may qualify, of course we do not know if Travis' mom had other personality disorder issues, or even if that is what was going on .. wish we had a fuller picture of both their childhoods, also it would be interesting if we had more IM's and texts between the two of them so that we could understand their dynamic better.