Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[OEJ]

I think it would have been very strange for Travis to want sex or to pose for pictures passively, after his May 26 email in which he assured Jodi that he viewed her as a sociopath, a scammer, "the worst thing that ever happened to me", etc. I do not believe the pics were from that day, nor that they had sex or that he posed in the shower.

This is happening every day. People are letting dangerous intimates back into their lives, their hearts, their beds, every single day, and if we don't acknowledge this and start reaching out with some public awareness and support, it's going to keep on happening. We've got to stop living in denial about the Jodis in the world.

 

[SMK]

I think it is very 'strange' for someone to premeditate murder.
Must, therefore, never happen.

Not related. And of course capital murder or murder one is premeditated and not strange. In any case, I think TA had enough sense to know when he was finished with her. Otherwise his May 26 email was simply a lot of hot air.

 

[SMK]

I think it is very 'strange' for someone to premeditate murder.
Must, therefore, never happen.

Not related. And of course capital murder or murder one is premeditated and not strange.

In any case, I think TA had enough sense to know when he was finished with her.

Otherwise his May 26 email was simply a lot of hot air.

 

[OEJ]

Not related. And of course capital murder or murder one is premeditated and not strange. In any case, I think TA had enough sense to know when he was finished with her. Otherwise his May 26 email was simply a lot of hot air.

How many more people have to risk being vulnerable on here to share their stories of having gone back and back and back to intimates after violent episodes before we believe them? Perhaps you didn't see them since the threads were just whizzing by, and it was hard to keep up. I'm not being sarcastic. It really was impossible to read everything.

 

[lil_buddy]

How many more people have to risk being vulnerable on here to share their stories of having gone back and back and back to intimates after violent episodes before we believe them? Perhaps you didn't see them since the threads were just whizzing by, and it was hard to keep up. I'm not being sarcastic. It really was impossible to read everything.

Apparently, shacking up with your ex who you know is no good is more 'strange' than premeditated murder, donchya know?

 

[OEJ]

Apparently, shacking up with your ex who you know is no good is more 'strange' than premeditated murder, donchya know?

Well, I'm really not trying to fight with anybody about it. I'm just seeing this huge response that Travis would not have slept with Jodi after that scathing text message and his dating other women and so on, and I'm despairing over it. I don't think we're acknowledging the sheer power of denial in these relationships. We have case after case on Websleuths of missing and murdered women who were in denial and kept on having a relationship with men who they knew could be dangerous...who could even kill them.

Travis just happened to be a man and not a woman. The dynamics, however, are the same. He would try and move on and then he'd fall back. He kept thinking he could help her or placate her or whatever. Despite his own good instincts, he believed in the alternate reality she wove for him at least long enough for her to kill him, and, like I say, this is happening every day.

 

[SMK]

Apparently, shacking up with your ex who you know is no good is more 'strange' than premeditated murder, donchya know?

I think that's when people are in love. Not when they find out someone is a scammer and a sociopath.

 

[lil_buddy]

Well, I'm really not trying to fight with anybody about it. I'm just seeing this huge response that Travis would not have slept with Jodi after that scathing text message and his dating other women and so on, and I'm despairing over it. I don't think we're acknowledging the sheer power of denial in these relationships. We have case after case on Websleuths of missing and murdered women who were in denial and kept on having a relationship with men who they knew could be dangerous...who could even kill them.

Travis just happened to be a man and not a woman. The dynamics, however, are the same. He would try and move on and then he'd fall back. He kept thinking he could help her or placate her or whatever. Despite his own good instincts, he believed in the alternate reality she wove for him at least long enough for her to kill him, and, like I say, this is happening every day.

I completely agree with you. This is a VERY common human experience. This is what people bemoan with their friends all the time.

How many times have you (heard/said):

A) "(ExBF/exGF) keeps (calling/showing up) and I keep letting (exBF/exGF) back into my bed even tho (exBF/exGF) is (a druggie/incapable of holding a job/nuts/a cheater/a liar/abusive/etc). I really need to put a stop to this."

B) "I think (exBF/exGF) is planning to murder me."

?

 

[OEJ]

I think that's when people are in love. Not when they find out someone is a scammer and a sociopath.

He did love her. It's obvious to me. He was trying hard to move on. He had put up with many serious incidents before this, too.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

I know, I'm sorry. I just brought her up because you have someone like Aileen, who was, not to be mean, but not very attractive when she was arrested and went on trial. So you have someone who was ugly but who had a legitimate tragic story that led her to that point but very, very little public support and no one to care that she was about to die. You have Jodi who doesn't really seem to have a story of actual woe or a reason for what she did and what led her to where she is, (though people want to assume it) and her stories are very light stories of "abuse" and she has a lot more support than most killers do or should. Why? Jodi is young and pretty. People find it easier to sympathize with her.

Well written and I completely agree that "good looking" individuals get better treatment.

There actually was a study out that I read about a long time ago when I was literally in High School. Ages, I know.

It studied male convicts (mostly aspd's) who are "unattractive" by societal standards and are more likely to look "unattractive". There is a theory that many of these men shared similar physical characteristics that would be unattractive in US society like large brow bones, dental deformities, no features considered to stick out to make them "attractive".

The idea is that many, because they lack societal attraction, are actually more succeptable to be profiled and incarcerated than an attractive person.

Unfortunately at face value ppl are typically more likely to identify with an attractive individual rather than unattractive.

 

[2Hip2BSquare]

http://cw.routledge.com/ref/criminology/physical.html

The above link discusses the perils of being unattractive in society and how it trickles into the justice system.

 

[shelley921]

I think it would have been very strange for Travis to want sex or to pose for pictures passively, after his May 26 email in which he assured Jodi that he viewed her as a sociopath, a scammer, "the worst thing that ever happened to me", etc. I do not believe the pics were from that day, nor that they had sex or that he posed in the shower.

I agree that Travis was not likely to want to have sex with her that final day. i think he was truly done with her. she sneaked in is what i have always believed. but the photos were date and time stamped -right-?-so they had to have been taken that final day. they are all single subject photos. him alone nude or her alone nude. none of them together. so i don't think they had sex. he doesn't look pleased in any of the photos.

 

[SMK]

I agree that Travis was not likely to want to have sex with her that final day. i think he was truly done with her. she sneaked in is what i have always believed. but the photos were date and time stamped -right-?-so they had to have been taken that final day. they are all single subject photos. him alone nude or her alone nude. none of them together. so i don't think they had sex. he doesn't look pleased in any of the photos.

No, he doesn't. Providing the time/date stamp was not altered (very easy to do) then maybe she had promised if she could take pics, he had seen the last of her (which he of course had).

 

[Emmi]

Well, I'm really not trying to fight with anybody about it. I'm just seeing this huge response that Travis would not have slept with Jodi after that scathing text message and his dating other women and so on, and I'm despairing over it. I don't think we're acknowledging the sheer power of denial in these relationships. We have case after case on Websleuths of missing and murdered women who were in denial and kept on having a relationship with men who they knew could be dangerous...who could even kill them.

Travis just happened to be a man and not a woman. The dynamics, however, are the same. He would try and move on and then he'd fall back. He kept thinking he could help her or placate her or whatever. Despite his own good instincts, he believed in the alternate reality she wove for him at least long enough for her to kill him, and, like I say, this is happening every day.

I hear what you're saying, OEJ, and I share your despair over the insensitive judgments of victims of intimate partner abuse.

However, these very same judgements, in these very same discussion threads, were levelled at Jodi in order to discredit her claims of Travis' abuse. People said things like, "they weren't married, they had no kids, so she was free to go ..." and "if he was such a bad guy, verbally abusive to her, and a cheater, etc., why didn't she just leave him?" Of course, I acknowledge that these same people disbelieve her claims of his abusiveness toward her, but that doesn't matter. Because, by saying "IF he was so abusive, why didn't she just ..." it turns into a hypothetical, and these same arguments, which deny the "sheer power of denial" were used against her and were NOT roundly criticized.

I am just pointing out a general inconsistency in the conversations here, though there may be that same inconsistency in individual posters as well.

 

[Emmi]

Well written and I completely agree that "good looking" individuals get better treatment.

There actually was a study out that I read about a long time ago when I was literally in High School. Ages, I know.

It studied male convicts (mostly aspd's) who are "unattractive" by societal standards and are more likely to look "unattractive". There is a theory that many of these men shared similar physical characteristics that would be unattractive in US society like large brow bones, dental deformities, no features considered to stick out to make them "attractive".

The idea is that many, because they lack societal attraction, are actually more succeptable to be profiled and incarcerated than an attractive person.

Unfortunately at face value ppl are typically more likely to identify with an attractive individual rather than unattractive.

That good-looking people get better treatment, in general, has been proven so many times over that it's practically become common sense. I don't think that this always applies in the justice system, though.

I had read an article, in the very early days of the Arias trial, that had a different opinion (I've been searching for it and haven't yet found it again). The upshot was that there was an opposite effect with good-looking women who use their experience of domestic violence as a defense. Young and pretty women may be perceived as having too much luck, charm and personal power to be victims of their partners. They may be perceived as being less vulnerable, and having more relationship choices available to them than plain women do. Good-looking women may also be judged more harshly by people who are on guard about their own tendency to sympathize with pretty people, and who therefore over-compensate for this natural bias by refusing any sympathy or mitigation for the defendant.

 

[OEJ]

It's just plain as day to me that the State's evidence and premise and the detective's evidence and premise was correct that they had sex and Travis was posing in the shower for pics when crazy Jodi just suddenly stabbed him out of nowhere.

He had gotten upset with her before, but it's useless for me to say except for perhaps even one person who might be reading this thread and realize they are with a Jodi-type personality and to get yourself out of denial and get OUT!

There had been SO many serious incidents before that last text it was to the point his mental state and his business were suffering but there he was still caring about her in the sex tape.

I just think it's a huge disservice to Travis and others to deny that he was fluctuating back and forth in denial about her mental state and propensity for violence like millions of others do everyday.

But, like I say, this is really only for the benefit for even the one person who might be struggling with a Jodi. It isn't your fault. Just get out! Don't keep messing with it. It is out of your control. These people are the people of the lie and they WILL con you.

 

[human]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

 

[shelley921]

No, he doesn't. Providing the time/date stamp was not altered (very easy to do) then maybe she had promised if she could take pics, he had seen the last of her (which he of course had).

well i recall that in the trial juan martinez talked about the dates and times stamped on the photos and it wasn't disputed in court on any of the broadcasts i saw - so I assumed that these were correct. and doesn't the timeline of where jodi was all fit in with her being there with travis on june 4th ?

 

[OEJ]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

Travis was complaining that she was smothering him, and he wouldn't be her rescuer, I believe. She should have been working, but she decided to obsess and not get help.

 

[shelley921]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

travis and she were never really a couple and he was dating other women and it was really over between them. the question is why did she move to mesa arizona in the first place? they actually broke up before she even moved to mesa and travis did not want her in mesa at all. she went back to where her family lived because she was broke.