Poll for the Armchair Psychologists

[lil_buddy]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

'Cause she wanted/expected to be chased?

 

[lil_buddy]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

'Cause she was dead broke and desperate?

 

[lil_buddy]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

'Cause that's where she knew she could get a gun for free?

 

[human]

People in dysfunctional relationships get something out of them. It may not be what we would like, but the good they see outweighs the bad. And I mean the "good " to them.

How many times have I heard, "But I love him/her", and wonder what it is that they love.

Neither JA or TA was getting anything affirming out of the relationship that I can see.

She clung to him even though he treated her like dirt. And he kept up with her even though he was miserable about her.

Some people do get out of bad relationships. It is really difficult because if you tell a friend to get out, the friend will choose the loser over you.

It seems to work better if it is a stranger who tells them.

 

[human]

Travis was complaining that she was smothering him, and he wouldn't be her rescuer, I believe. She should have been working, but she decided to obsess and not get help.

But why did she move? To me, a stalker does not care if you want to get rid of him/her.

That was a long way to go.

 

[Emmi]

Why did JA move to CA?

That is a far distance to be from the object of her desires.

Broke, yes. And the move was, I believe, also an opportunity to put some physical distance between them. She did make some efforts to extract herself from the relationship.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think Jodi had no choice really but to move back home, she had worn out her welcome in Mesa, and was broke and in dept, it was 'over'.

 

[OEJ]

But why did she move? To me, a stalker does not care if you want to get rid of him/her.

That was a long way to go.

If you don't work you don't eat. She had to move in with her grandparents. Travis was paying her for awhile to clean his house, but it wasn't much, and he wouldn't let her move in because she was to obsessive of him, and he wanted to date.

 

[human]

The idea is that she is an obsessive stalker of Travis.

Surely she could find a place that was much closer than CA .

And Mesa is a big place and Phoenix even bigger. There had to be plenty of opportunities for her.

It's not like living at her grandparents was a dream come true.

There are a lot of things she could have done in Phoenix.

With her gift for lying, getting a job or even staying with some other guy would have been no problem. With her sexiness, she could have gone to a bar and picked up many guys.

Or, why not move back with Darryl? He obviously still cares about her.

The move makes no sense to me

 

[shelley921]

It's just plain as day to me that the State's evidence and premise and the detective's evidence and premise was correct that they had sex and Travis was posing in the shower for pics when crazy Jodi just suddenly stabbed him out of nowhere.

He had gotten upset with her before, but it's useless for me to say except for perhaps even one person who might be reading this thread and realize they are with a Jodi-type personality and to get yourself out of denial and get OUT!

There had been SO many serious incidents before that last text it was to the point his mental state and his business were suffering but there he was still caring about her in the sex tape.

I just think it's a huge disservice to Travis and others to deny that he was fluctuating back and forth in denial about her mental state and propensity for violence like millions of others do everyday.

But, like I say, this is really only for the benefit for even the one person who might be struggling with a Jodi. It isn't your fault. Just get out! Don't keep messing with it. It is out of your control. These people are the people of the lie and they WILL con you.

yes he did go back and forth a lot with her and gave her way more than the benefit of the doubt many many times. i just think we all have our limits and prior to june 4th he had HAD IT with jodi. i think she snuck in without him knowing and surprised him. i bet SHE wanted to have sex but he refused. maybe that is just wishful thinking clouding my intuition. no one knows what really happened now regarding the sex - except jodi - and of course SHE wants you [ and me and everyone ] to believe they had sex-that he desired her. but i just don't think so. it's ok we do not have to agree - it's my opinion and you have yours. plenty agree with me and plenty agree with you. this was discussed at length while the trail was going on - on another thread.

 

[Cate49]

I think it would have been very strange for Travis to want sex or to pose for pictures passively, after his May 26 email in which he assured Jodi that he viewed her as a sociopath, a scammer, "the worst thing that ever happened to me", etc. I do not believe the pics were from that day, nor that they had sex or that he posed in the shower.

SMK: Some of pictures may have been from a previous sexual encounter. Mixed with photos on the day of murder. Photos from day of murder may include both close up of his face and the photo of her pant leg.The time stamp changed without difficulty for a photographer. Suprising him while showering without realizing she was in his house. Would be interesting to see if their physical features are consistant ie. Hair color, hair length.jewlery. Is the background consistent in photos ie. Bedding, bath accessaries, room lay out. If there are differences this would reinforce the premeditation. SMK this could be true. Not sure if my interpretation of your post is correct. It could be that photos are mixed time frames pieced together to look fluent. Again if true more premeditation.

 

[OEJ]

yes he did go back and forth a lot with her and gave her way more than the benefit of the doubt many many times. i just think we all have our limits and prior to june 4th he had HAD IT with jodi. i think she snuck in without him knowing and surprised him. i bet SHE wanted to have sex but he refused. maybe that is just wishful thinking clouding my intuition. no one knows what really happened now regarding the sex - except jodi - and of course SHE wants you [ and me and everyone ] to believe they had sex-that he desired her. but i just don't think so. it's ok we do not have to agree - it's my opinion and you have yours. plenty agree with me and plenty agree with you. this was discussed at length while the trail was going on - on another thread.

I understand you want to tell us that...lol. (Juan Martinez joke)

At any rate, in my view, Jodi was a very "good" psychopathic con artist, and she conned that poor Travis one more time.

The moral of the story, if I might be so bold, is what "Mikey Kung Pau" said at the end of his youtube videos: "Don't go with psychopaths."

 

[SMK]

SMK: Some of pictures may have been from a previous sexual encounter. Mixed with photos on the day of murder. Photos from day of murder may include both close up of his face and the photo of her pant leg.The time stamp changed without difficulty for a photographer. Suprising him while showering without realizing she was in his house. Would be interesting to see if their physical features are consistant ie. Hair color, hair length.jewlery. Is the background consistent in photos ie. Bedding, bath accessaries, room lay out. If there are differences this would reinforce the premeditation. SMK this could be true. Not sure if my interpretation of your post is correct. It could be that photos are mixed time frames pieced together to look fluent. Again if true more premeditation.

Yes, I would say you point out some very important things. And yes, this would point to premeditation, or an attempt to create a story after-the-fact. Of course, I always wonder if she left the camera behind merely by accident; the pics and time/date stamp certainly place her at the murder scene.

 

[shelley921]

The idea is that she is an obsessive stalker of Travis.

Surely she could find a place that was much closer than CA .

And Mesa is a big place and Phoenix even bigger. There had to be plenty of opportunities for her.

It's not like living at her grandparents was a dream come true.

There are a lot of things she could have done in Phoenix.

With her gift for lying, getting a job or even staying with some other guy would have been no problem. With her sexiness, she could have gone to a bar and picked up many guys.

Or, why not move back with Darryl? He obviously still cares about her.

The move makes no sense to me

she was obsessed, fixated and determined to have travis no matter what.
i can not imagine being so totally fixated on a guy that doesn't want you around. i never could have imagined imposing myself on anyone that way. to me it would have been beyond humiliating and what is the fun of trying to "make" someone want you? when i was young and single the fun was being pursued. not chasing.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

SMK: Some of pictures may have been from a previous sexual encounter. Mixed with photos on the day of murder. Photos from day of murder may include both close up of his face and the photo of her pant leg.The time stamp changed without difficulty for a photographer. Suprising him while showering without realizing she was in his house. Would be interesting to see if their physical features are consistant ie. Hair color, hair length.jewlery. Is the background consistent in photos ie. Bedding, bath accessaries, room lay out. If there are differences this would reinforce the premeditation. SMK this could be true. Not sure if my interpretation of your post is correct. It could be that photos are mixed time frames pieced together to look fluent. Again if true more premeditation.

Do you mean the photos from Travis' camera? No. There is nothing to suggest this, their hair / weight etc etc is all the same as it was at time of murder, there is no reason to change time stamps either (why????). Do we really have to discuss crack pot theories in here? Perhaps we could have a conspiracy theory thread so this one could be left to discuss the actual topic within the known facts, it's just hard to discuss things rationally when the clear facts of the case are being constantly disputed, for what reason I do not know.

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I think it would have been very strange for Travis to want sex or to pose for pictures passively, after his May 26 email in which he assured Jodi that he viewed her as a sociopath, a scammer, "the worst thing that ever happened to me", etc. I do not believe the pics were from that day, nor that they had sex or that he posed in the shower.

It was a brand new camera, it was Travis', he bought it just before the murder, there were no old photos of the two of them on there to manipulate, this is just a red herring, as odd as it may be, Travis did actually have sex with Jodi after calling her out via text days before.

 

[OEJ]

Do you mean the photos from Travis' camera? No. There is nothing to suggest this, their hair / weight etc etc is all the same as it was at time of murder, there is no reason to change time stamps either (why????). Do we really have to discuss crack pot theories in here? Perhaps we could have a conspiracy theory thread so this one could be left to discuss the actual topic within the known facts, it's just hard to discuss things rationally when the clear facts of the case are being constantly disputed, for what reason I do not know.

Marry me, Mrs. G. Norris...lol!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

Marry me, Mrs. G. Norris...lol!

:seeya: I'm glad it's not just me .. I've been alternating between :floorlaugh: :scared: and :banghead:

 

[shelley921]

in the trial juan martinez talked about the dates and times stamped on the photos and it wasn't disputed in court on any of the broadcasts i saw - so I assumed that these were correct. wouldn't there have been an objection if the date and time stamped photos were in question? wasn't the camera examined by a forensic expert? i doubt juan martinez would have let something like this get overlooked.

and doesn't the timeline of where jodi was at what time all fit in with her being there with travis on june 4th --at the times stamped on the photos ?

 

[Emmi]

:seeya: I'm glad it's not just me .. I've been alternating between :floorlaugh: :scared: and :banghead:

You forgot to add a comma, Mrs G, between the first and second emoticon in your sentence. (just teasing!)

Besides the fact that Jodi would have no reason to fake those photos--aside from deliberately placing herself at the scene of the crime--there were strong suggestions, made by both Flores and Martinez, that there were other photographs which depicted even more explicit sexual engagement between the two.