Poll: your thoughts on the id

[NancyT]

Isn't it common sense? If you are sifting the soil looking for bones, and each tiny bit of evidence you need to see, not just feel. A small piece of fabric or tissue would feel the same through a pair of rubber gloves as a leaf. A bone the same as a twig. They sift, pick up the twigs, stones and leaves, set them aside, keep sifting. I've sifted soil. So I at least have that much practical knowledge.

And, I would ask you the same. If you were the accused would you want this? I'm sure these people are good at what they do. But anyone can overlook and more so if they want the case closed easily, with the perp of choice in custody. And don't tell me know one goes to prison that is innocent. It happens all the time, too much, Florida included.

It might interest you to know that most people who are in prison who are factually innocent are more often than not there because of 1, DNA that couldn't be tested at the time of their conviction (these are the ones the Innocence Project tries to help), and 2, faulty eyewitness testimony (direct evidence to the crime being committed). Eyewitness testimony is the more erroneous testimony in existence today. Fear not, when Casey is convicted, it will not be because DNA wasn't tested and it won't be because someone has come forward to say they saw her kill her child.

Aside from those instances, there are very FEW people who have ever been exonerated OR proven to be FACTUALLY innocent. I'll grant you, I can only look at statistics for those who have been exonerated, and who knows, maybe 100s of thousands of people are in prison for crimes they didn't commit, but in all honesty, I highly doubt it.

 

[Spangle]

If this is the case, then Tim started the rumor. I heard him say so in a lengthy interview. He also said they had grown quite close and they hugged, sharing their sorrow. He said he say where the bag lay, the dented ground and lack of plant life growing in that spot.

Tim was talking about going behind the yellow tape. Which is rather special and closer then the defense can get. Tim was also telling the LE what he seen and when he seen it, in that area. He was basically being interviewed.

But that dosent' mean he went and walked around where the body was found. Only that he was close enough to see into the area.

The Defense would still complain if that were that close. The're complaint is that they want to be hands on in the find. Tim was not given that. Tim never said that he was given that. It's pointless to even bring up Tim as an example of what they want. Cause that isn't it.

 

[NancyT]

Oh and, Jose' Baez has been on this case for roughly 5 months now. In that 5 month period, he had plenty of opportunity to visit that crime scene. He works for Casey. If Casey didn't do all she could to help herself and Jose' Baez during that time, it's not LE's fault.

 

[ZubenElSchemali]

Rather than quote each of you I'm addressing I'll just clarify on the points you each make. As I said, I have sifted soil before. Yes, the items larger than soil stay on the screen and I saw he picking up the larger things and lay them in the pile as she chatted. But, what does it matter. They are supposed to be going over it again, right? What does it matter, she's guilty right? Jeesh, why not save yourselves some taxpayers dollars and string her up now rather than go through a lengthy trial then house her for the rest of her life.

Nancy I agree with you and was aware of that. But even one falsely imprisoned is too many. Yes, Tim did say that, clearly, so I have to disagree with you there. When I have time I'll look for the link in my history. In fact, I heard a reporter at another time mention the seeming conflict in what LE said and did, letting a civilian in that way.

 

[Macushla]

Rather than quote each of you I'm addressing I'll just clarify on the points you each make. As I said, I have sifted soil before. Yes, the items larger than soil stay on the screen and I saw he picking up the larger things and lay them in the pile as she chatted. But, what does it matter. They are supposed to be going over it again, right? What does it matter, she's guilty right? Jeesh, why not save yourselves some taxpayers dollars and string her up now rather than go through a lengthy trial then house her for the rest of her life.

Nancy I agree with you and was aware of that. But even one falsely imprisoned is too many. Yes, Tim did say that, clearly, so I have to disagree with you there. When I have time I'll look for the link in my history. In fact, I heard a reporter at another time mention the seeming conflict in what LE said and did, letting a civilian in that way.

You are passionate in your opinions, I have no problem with that. We other posters are passionate in our opinions. I woud love to see the taxpayers saved a bunch of $$$$ - but I would love to see it done hearing that she agreed to a plea bargain.

As to Tim Miller, a civilian being either at the actual site or inside the yellow tape. I have heard both versions and we won't know the answer until we see video or a photo, if there is any. One of the things LE has to try and find out is when that bag was placed there. Tim Miller was someone who saw that area at various times and can give LE info on when it was flooded, how deep was the flooding, was THIS particular area flooded and did TES search this particular area for a certain period of time. So in a way, Tim is an eye witness - not of the crime, but of the crime scene and how it may have looked at various times. That is why I think Tim was allowed behind the 'tape', he was the best person to help them determine what was going on in that area in regards to water, etc.

 

[LLH]

Caylee should have been ID'd by now..initial DNA takes about 12 hours. They have the dental matches as well.
I think they are doing 2 things, one being that they are making sure they have everything in order, because they have a dream team to contend with. They cannot afford a mistake now.
Two. I believe they are delaying public ID because they are watching reactions.. and probably toying with the dream team. LE has done alot of investigating on this case with little or no help of the dfense or family.

 

[NancyT]

Rather than quote each of you I'm addressing I'll just clarify on the points you each make. As I said, I have sifted soil before. Yes, the items larger than soil stay on the screen and I saw he picking up the larger things and lay them in the pile as she chatted. But, what does it matter. They are supposed to be going over it again, right? What does it matter, she's guilty right? Jeesh, why not save yourselves some taxpayers dollars and string her up now rather than go through a lengthy trial then house her for the rest of her life.

Nancy I agree with you and was aware of that. But even one falsely imprisoned is too many. Yes, Tim did say that, clearly, so I have to disagree with you there. When I have time I'll look for the link in my history. In fact, I heard a reporter at another time mention the seeming conflict in what LE said and did, letting a civilian in that way.

I too think 1 is too many, but I don't have the solution, either, so...I guess that makes me part of the problem. Maybe jurors should be educated a bit on the burden of proof? Or, maybe if prosecutors were held accountable when they're caught withholding exonerating evidence, or when it's shown that they've had witnesses downright lie on the stand; as was done in the first Andrea Yates case? IMO, these things should never simply be overlooked by the courts, yet I've seen prosecutors getting away with both.

I don't know how you disagreed with me where Tim is concerned, though. I didn't say anything as factual. I clearly said it was a guess on my part, but I don't think it will matter. Tim Miller is a professional in search and recovery, so it's not like he'd just be any old private citizen such as you or I.

As for stringing her up right now, I have seen NO ONE suggest that Casey not get her day in court. Yes, I do believe she will be found guilty. Yes, I do believe she is 100% guilty of this crime, but that does not mean that I would ever want to deny her the right to the trial. I believe in the US Constitution, and not backing up her rights would be, not backing up the Constitution.

While I find it silly that you're talking about this girl's qualifications based on a tiny news clip (and I didn't see it or if I did, I didn't pay any attention to it), I feel it's you that's willing to hang her out to dry without knowing much of anything about her or her abilities. IMO though, it's not even worth the attention that it took me to address the issue. That's how trivial I think it is and for that reason, it's why I won't respond to the accusation again. Think whatever you want.

 

[anastacia129]

Rather than quote each of you I'm addressing I'll just clarify on the points you each make. As I said, I have sifted soil before. Yes, the items larger than soil stay on the screen and I saw he picking up the larger things and lay them in the pile as she chatted. But, what does it matter. They are supposed to be going over it again, right? What does it matter, she's guilty right? Jeesh, why not save yourselves some taxpayers dollars and string her up now rather than go through a lengthy trial then house her for the rest of her life.

Nancy I agree with you and was aware of that. But even one falsely imprisoned is too many. Yes, Tim did say that, clearly, so I have to disagree with you there. When I have time I'll look for the link in my history. In fact, I heard a reporter at another time mention the seeming conflict in what LE said and did, letting a civilian in that way.

bolded mine

I absolutely agree!:clap:

 

[DesSands]

I voted it's Klee but not definite Id yet, because I think it's not only cruel to keep a family in limbo and they could also possibly be accused of causing them psychological harm by doing so.

I think LE would love to toy with Baez's head as well as Ms. Thang, but legally can they?

 

[cuppy199]

Tim was talking about going behind the yellow tape. Which is rather special and closer then the defense can get. Tim was also telling the LE what he seen and when he seen it, in that area. He was basically being interviewed.

But that dosent' mean he went and walked around where the body was found. Only that he was close enough to see into the area.

The Defense would still complain if that were that close. The're complaint is that they want to be hands on in the find. Tim was not given that. Tim never said that he was given that. It's pointless to even bring up Tim as an example of what they want. Cause that isn't it.

ITA! Tim never said how close he got to the scene where the body is. I think some jump to conclusions just because he said he seen where the body was. According to some of LE you can see it from the road where the body was.

 

[Brini]

It looks to me like they had a tentative ID within a few hours, based on the skull and teeth, cause of death at about 24 hours, had the initial DNA done late yesterday and will probably not announce until about afternoon on the 18th. If not, they are obviously holding back just to put the defense team in what they believe to be their "proper place". I think it's cruel for them to withhold this way. And from what I understand, other states allow observation by the experts from the other side, even work together. If they didn't I believe they should. They told the media they had a tentative ID then told the judge they didn't. But no one seems to have a problem with that. I watched one of the videos a few days ago of the sifting of dirt and the one woman was chatting away, smiling, looking at her co-worker as she pushed the dirt around on the screen. The defense has a right to make sure they are paying attention to what they are doing so they don't miss anything.

Well, JB wouldn't know proper forensic procedure, if it walked up and sat in his lap. H. Lee is known for losing evidence and sloppy field work, I have read. The only person on the defense team who knows what she's looking at is prolly the forensic anthropologist. I'm sure she'll complain, if something was amiss.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

For identification purposes only, I think the minute they are finished with the crime scene area, they need to release what info they have on the ID.

That is why the Anthonys need to stop bashing LE and the FBI..........they could hold that for a LONG time............Just another nail in KC's coffin they have built for her.

 

[TURBOTHINK]

I voted it's Klee but not definite Id yet, because I think it's not only cruel to keep a family in limbo and they could also possibly be accused of causing them psychological harm by doing so.

I think LE would love to toy with Baez's head as well as Ms. Thang, but legally can they?

In my state they can. They held a positive ID for over six months until they could get all the perps involved picked up. They knew there were accessories to the crime, and held the ID because they knew they would run and or lawyer up.

 

[nostoneunturned]

I would speculate LE asked Tim M to view the area , because they wanted to know if that area was searched before,and the body placed there after Casey's arrest.

 

[strach304]

I'm sure they had Laci Peterson's dna id in 5 days at most. Geragos said on LKL a few nights ago that they could have it in 12 to 24 hours. Now that soon I have never heard of. I do think they know or will by tomorrow.

 

[nostoneunturned]

I think they are waiting for the details so they can charge Casey with the death penalty.
The state want's it all . They want enough evidence to move on anyone else involved. If there are additional fingerprints incriminate someone else they want to be able to move "with all Hast"

 

[DotsEyes]

I must say right now that if I were a juror and KC's attorney pointed out the 6 seconds that the sifter sifted silt while looking at someone else and chatting and laughing, AND said attorney told me that this was indicative of the unprofessional and untrained personnel at OSCO, I would get up and walk across the room and slap his face for insulting my freeking intelligence. Of course, I may not slap him, but I would hold it against him for the rest of the trial. My opinion of him would be, "this guy thinks I am an idiot and he that he can feed me poopy and tell me it is chocolate".

I can only HOPE Baez tries this "maneuver" at trial.

 

[Spangle]

Rather than quote each of you I'm addressing I'll just clarify on the points you each make. As I said, I have sifted soil before. Yes, the items larger than soil stay on the screen and I saw he picking up the larger things and lay them in the pile as she chatted. But, what does it matter. They are supposed to be going over it again, right? What does it matter, she's guilty right? Jeesh, why not save yourselves some taxpayers dollars and string her up now rather than go through a lengthy trial then house her for the rest of her life.

Nancy I agree with you and was aware of that. But even one falsely imprisoned is too many. Yes, Tim did say that, clearly, so I have to disagree with you there. When I have time I'll look for the link in my history. In fact, I heard a reporter at another time mention the seeming conflict in what LE said and did, letting a civilian in that way.

It means alot. It means they need to protect and preserve the evidence so that the how, what, when, etc. can be figured out. So that it can be investigated. Without interference from someone wanting to spin it all falsely.

Keep in mind, someone is guilty. SOMEONE. Either you want no one to pay for this crime, or you want it investigated so someone pays for it. Either the case will hold up against Casey, or the case will fall flat.

This team is only workign for Casey. If Casey didn't do it, then the next person will be charged. Hmmm..... Why are they not demanding the same stuff as Caseys team? Because they are not charged. But I bet you, that if that came about.. they would have a fit if Casey's team is gets anywhere near the evidence. Casey's team has a vested interest in someone else being found guilty. It dosen't matter who the LE find guilty. Casey or someone else. They are going to go after the person the evidence says to go after.

This isn't about wither you think she is innocent or someone else thinks she is guilty. But wither those folks follow the rule book. It has been established as fairly as possible. And it takes into consideration that someone else might have done it. LE is following the rule book. It's not to the part yet where they are suppose to turn over stuff they found this weekend. If Casey hadn't all ready been charged, the LE would have continued working this stuff for a while.. and maybe months from now.. someone would be charged and everything would be turned over to them.

Wow! Casey's team will get these crime areas faster then defense team normally gets them. Not months or even years later. How in the world do all those other lawyers deal with such a situation. Should their clients be allowed to walk, just because the LE didn't know automaticly who to charge, so they can have someone at there to watch the investigation???

Sorry.. I believe the LE should follow a path that should be used in all cases. LE has gotten more high tech and more professional when it comes to this stuff. They realize that they must prove what they are saying. They must keep the evidence, etc.. They have spent time and money, yet lost cases. They have learned to clean up their act, so that doesn't happen. Which means, they are aware they must report to the jury and prove it to a jury. NO jury is going to 'buy' evidence that some other defense team handled, walked around, etc.

This isn't all about Casey.

 

[ThoughtFox]

I forgot to tell you what I think lol (not that anyone gives a rats you~know~what lol).. but I think they knew over the weekend. I think they are holding it until the crime scene is clear.... esp in light of the way that Baez has been filing motions (like they are endless sheets on a scott roll of toilet paper)

:crazy: This made me laugh out loud! I watched his performance in court today - and I was not impressed. Apparently, neither was the judge, who said that he couldn't help him to contaminate a crime scene. I loved that.

Oh, and I voted for number one in the Poll.

 

[nostoneunturned]

bravo
I am sure the ME is qualified to do his job. it's just more smoke screen.
Biaz would be better off to not view the disrespectful way that tiny body was disposed of. It may make it unbearable to hug Casey as he swishes her in public. I hope he gets to view it all, I hope it makes him ill. I hope there is enough evidence to leave no doubt in anyone mind.
LE ,is waiting till all the evidence comes back so they can move on additional charges or reintroduce the death penalty. IMO