Poor Senator Craig...

[nanandjim]

You are just as entitled to your point of view and to stick with it-I think the operative theme here is communication. You stated how you wanted it to be up front, your husband agreed and there you go. I think that honesty is important. The bait and switch aspect of relationships is what makes marriages fail so easily now that divorce is so acceptable. IMO.

I agree that a lot of "bait and switch" goes on from both sides. I also agree that it causes major problems in marriages, which often ends in divorce.

I like Dr. Phil's analogy. I heard him once tell a very overweight woman why her marriage was in trouble. He noted that she was very slim when she and her husband dated and when they got married. He said that is what her husband contracted for (a slender wife); and it wasn't fair that she changed that contract. I happen to agree with him. It's not fair to bait with one thing and then later switch up to something else.

 

[GlitchWizard]

I don't subscribe to the belief that a person has to be gay to be interested in experiementing. Probably because I have alot of friends in the bdsm lifestyle and we are already used to being a bit more open and honest about our thoughts than the general population is comfortable with. Several couples I know have very strong marraiges, and allow each other some freedom within that marraige. In any relationship, acceptance and communication are really good aspects to have. It's good that you made clear your position before you got married to your husband - that way you get the kind of husband you want. I'd hate to be in a relationship that wasn't honest from the start.

If you're clear upfront about what exactly you are - you are more likely to wind up with exactly what you want!

 

[believe09]

I don't subscribe to the belief that a person has to be gay to be interested in experiementing. Probably because I have alot of friends in the bdsm lifestyle and we are already used to being a bit more open and honest about our thoughts than the general population is comfortable with. Several couples I know have very strong marraiges, and allow each other some freedom within that marraige. In any relationship, acceptance and communication are really good aspects to have. It's good that you made clear your position before you got married to your husband - that way you get the kind of husband you want. I'd hate to be in a relationship that wasn't honest from the start.

If you're clear upfront about what exactly you are - you are more likely to wind up with exactly what you want!

:clap:

 

[Paladin]

I don't see what the big deal is here. If he's gay then he's gay. Is it that he propositioned a guy by tapping his foot in a stall? If so, who cares? If people weren't so uptight about homosexuality then some men wouldn't need to resort to picking up men in bathroom stalls.

Why should he lose his position over this?

 

[nanandjim]

I don't see what the big deal is here. If he's gay then he's gay. Is it that he propositioned a guy by tapping his foot in a stall? If so, who cares? If people weren't so uptight about homosexuality then some men wouldn't need to resort to picking up men in bathroom stalls.

Why should he lose his position over this?

On the assumption that you are being serious, I think that it is a big deal because (1) Craig denies being gay; (2) He is married with children; (3) His voting record is against gay rights; (4) He apparently picks up strangers in all sorts of places; and (5) After the act, he threatens the strangers to keep their mouths shut.

There are many gays in this country, most who do not resort to picking up strange men in bathroom stalls. I would venture to say that your assumption would be quite offensive to them.

 

[Rino]

On the assumption that you are being serious, I think that it is a big deal because (1) Craig denies being gay; (2) He is married with children; (3) His voting record is against gay rights; (4) He apparently picks up strangers in all sorts of places; and (5) After the act, he threatens the strangers to keep their mouths shut.

There are many gays in this country, most who do not resort to picking up strange men in bathroom stalls. I would venture to say that your assumption would be quite offensive to them.

On your points (1) (2) and (4), is it really any of our business?

This guy said that people are not bisexual. They are one way or the other. He said that guys that say they are bisexual are just denying that they are really gay. I kind of believe him. People probably are one way or the other, not both.

I've been told this too. I think bi is actually just the notion that he/she will perform with either gender. I was propositioned once woohoo: )and she made no bones about the fact the she was hetro and was in love with her husband, simply enjoyed woman too.

 

[Paladin]

There are many gays in this country, most who do not resort to picking up strange men in bathroom stalls. I would venture to say that your assumption would be quite offensive to them.

Why would it be offensive? I didn't generalize at all. I said "some", and that statement holds true. If people are offended by a true statement that's their problem, not mine.

 

[GlitchWizard]

On the assumption that you are being serious, I think that it is a big deal because (1) Craig denies being gay; (2) He is married with children; (3) His voting record is against gay rights; (4) He apparently picks up strangers in all sorts of places; and (5) After the act, he threatens the strangers to keep their mouths shut.

There are many gays in this country, most who do not resort to picking up strange men in bathroom stalls. I would venture to say that your assumption would be quite offensive to them.

1, 2, 3 and 4 are not important to me. Anyone who threatens someone, I have a problem with. Glory holes are commonly known because people don't want to be picked up and have to pretend to be nice when all they want is a . It's not just gay men (I don't believe the senator is gay in the whole sense of the word.)

The gay community is what it is. Some of it is sweet and pure, some of it is sordid and nasty - just like the straight community - just like the bi community. I don't think people get offended by the assumption that some gay men go to glory holes any more if they are gay or straight. As long as no one says "It's YOU who does this."

 

[GlitchWizard]

Why would it be offensive? I didn't generalize at all. I said "some", and that statement holds true. If people are offended by a true statement that's their problem, not mine.

I think way more people pretend to be offended by things, than actually are. I've always thought so. About everything.

 

[Rino]

I think way more people pretend to be offended by things, than actually are. I've always thought so. About everything.

That would make a great tagline

 

[GlitchWizard]

That would make a great tagline

You don't think it would offend someone? :blushing:

 

[nanandjim]

I think way more people pretend to be offended by things, than actually are. I've always thought so. About everything.

Interesting...You're a mind reader... :waitasec:

 

[Rino]

You don't think it would offend someone? :blushing:

Nah, just pretending :crazy:

 

[GlitchWizard]

Interesting...You're a mind reader... :waitasec:

No. Just have seen it time and again. The most obvious was at church singles group when someone would be all up about how offended they were by people who:
1. Cheated.
2. Lied.
3. Came to singles classes just to "score".
4. Hit on married people
5. NAME IT

And then outside of the church, they'd be doing exactly what they pretended to be offended about. Or people I know full well are racist because I know them - pretending to be offended by something someone says just to make them "look" a certain way or lend credability to something.

It's just something I've seen so much, that I don't have to read a mind to figure it out.

I was offended once as a younger person, and then realized it was stupid to be offended by it - and haven't felt offended by anything since. Perhaps my view is because it really is up to you whether you are offended or not, and it's easy to just realize everyone has a different opinion, and that's okay.

 

[nanandjim]

On your points (1) (2) and (4), is it really any of our business?...

I would personally feel that it was my business if (1) I were his wife; (2) I were one of his children; (3) I were a taxpayer of Idaho; (4) I elected him to his office under false pretenses; (4) I were a gay person in this country.

Other than being a liar, a cheater, a hypocrite and a person who uses his power to intimidate people, I'm sure that he's a great guy.

 

[GlitchWizard]

Nah, just pretending :crazy:

I can't believe you'd even THINK such a thing! Why... it's beyond me. I'm seriously offended.

(while secretly thinking: "Therefore, I sound like I am so much better than you.")

 

[GlitchWizard]

I would personally feel it were my business if (1) I were his wife; (2) I were his children; (3) I were taxpayers of Iowa; (4) I elected him to his office under false pretenses; (4) I were a gay person in this country.

Other than being a liar, a cheater, a hypocrite and a person who uses his power to intimidate people, I'm sure that he's a great guy.

If I elected him based on the idea that he had to be straight, I'd be ashamed of myself. Other than that, the rest is personal to him and his family and airing it publically (in my opinion) is not appropriate.

 

[LinasK]

I would personally feel it were my business if (1) I were his wife; (2) I were his children; (3) I were taxpayers of Iowa; (4) I elected him to his office under false pretenses; (4) I were a gay person in this country.

Other than being a liar, a cheater, a hypocrite and a person who uses his power to intimidate people, I'm sure that he's a great guy.

Bingo Nan, you've summed it up perfectly! The guy is also convicted of a crime by his own admission and then tried to take it back! He is NOT fit to hold public office, what a great example of a public leader, NOT!!!

 

[LinasK]

If I elected him based on the idea that he had to be straight, I'd be ashamed of myself. Other than that, the rest is personal to him and his family and airing it publically (in my opinion) is not appropriate.

No, I'd willingly vote for Barney Frank, he's always been open about his sexuality. Larry Craig is a liar and a hypocrite, gay doesn't even begin to enter into it.

 

[Paladin]

I would personally feel that it was my business if (1) I were his wife; (2) I were one of his children; (3) I were a taxpayer of Iowa; (4) I elected him to his office under false pretenses; (4) I were a gay person in this country.

Other than being a liar, a cheater, a hypocrite and a person who uses his power to intimidate people, I'm sure that he's a great guy.

1. Of course it would be your business, but only 1 person is his wife, so Rino's comment makes sense.
2. See #1.
3. What does your taxes have to do with his sexuality?
4. Who elects people based on their sexuality? Seriously.
4. What does it matter if you're gay and he's gay.