Pope Benedict XVI resigned-Cardinal Jorge Bergoglio of Argentina has been elected

[Dark Knight]

Habemus Papam will be the announcement when a Pope is finally elected.

 

[wfgodot]

AND it's Scherer on the inside, passing Turkson at 4/1! O'Malley up in the pack, 14/1, with Cardinal Raymond Burke trailing him by two lengths at 16/1, passing Dolan (20/1) in the process. CAN the Americans pull this one off?

Scola 9/4

Scherer 4/1

Turkson 9/2

Bertone 5/1

Ouelett 10/1

http://www.paddypower.com/bet/novelty-betting/current-affairs/pope-betting

 

[wfgodot]

Bet house schism!

Ladbrokes lists Cardinals Burke at 100/1, Dolan 25/1, and O'Malley 16/1.

Four cardinal race there with Scola 2/1, Turkson 4/1, and Scherer and Bertone 5/1.

 

[Gardenlady]

Wow, o'Malley really jumped up today. Could we be hearing the pitter-patter of sandals in the Vatican soon?

 

[wfgodot]

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The public assumption is that the Vatican must use smoke signals because that's what has been done since the time of Peter. Not so, said Frederic Baumgartner, author of "Behind Locked Doors: A History of the Papal Elections."

For centuries, bells or cannons were used to spread the news. It wasn't until the 1800s that the faithful gathered in the piazza every day began to look to the chimney for an indication that a vote had taken place; the first election where the cardinals used two different types of smoke to announce the outcome didn't happen until 1903, Baumgartner said.
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more: Conclave smoke signals a bit of a gray area (NBC)

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Pope Anthony. (Oddly, there's never been one and odd I say as St. Anthony is a Big Name in sainthood.) (Oh, my name is also Anthony but that doesn't figure into my suggestion at all of course cough-cough.)

Popes from religious orders:

Benedictines..17
Augustinians..6
Dominicans....4
Franciscans....4
Cistercians.....2

:waitasec: I wonder why there have been no Jesuits or Vincentians?

 

[wfgodot]

Musings on why no Jesuit pope here: Has there ever been a Jesuit Pope? - Catholic Answers Forums

 

[Elley Mae]

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world...9a6-11e2-98d9-3012c1cd8d1e_story.html?hpid=z2

The brothers Donilon: One’s boss is President Obama, the other’s could be pope

 

[wfgodot]

Still saying Scola on first ballot even if there's not been a first ballot pope since 1572; there'd not been a pope who resigned since 1415, after all. Lightning strikes twice. (This prediction undoubtedly means the conclave will be deadlocked for days, actually, lol.)

 

[Dark Knight]

Remember, history shows that one who enters the Conclave as Pope, leaves as a Cardinal.

 

[Gardenlady]

The Vatican player will be live tomorrow here:

http://www.vatican.va/video/

This hopefully won't have any annoying voice-over commentary. The rites begin at 5 AM eastern time with Mass for the Election of Pope. Program for the liturgy is here:

http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2013/20130312missa-pro-eligendo-pontifice.pdf

 

[seattlechiquita]

I wonder if they order box lunches for the conclave... or order pizza? take out?

 

[Gardenlady]

The is also an app (called, simply, the Pope App) free for iOS and Android, from the Pontifical Council for Social Communication. :crazy:

 

[Veidt]

:waitasec: I wonder why there have been no Jesuits or Vincentians?

There's a lot of orders that haven't been represented in the papacy, not just Jesuits and Vincentians. The reason for the Jesuits is probably that they enjoy a reputation that is really mixed in ecclesiastical circles so they're not as unanimously approved of. Plus they're really outnumbered among the cardinals, I think.

 

[Nova]

Actually you don't HAVE to be a Cardinal, it just usually works that way. Any single, male, Catholic in full communion with the Church is eligible to be elected as Pope.

I realize that, but you have to be a member of the College of Cardinals to vote, no? That's why I thought I'd have to wear a disguise to vote for you.

 

[Dark Knight]

I realize that, but you have to be a member of the College of Cardinals to vote, no? That's why I thought I'd have to wear a disguise to vote for you.

You make a good point, grab a red cape and get there ASAP!

 

[Nova]

ITA. The outward signs, symbols, and rituals are experienced by the congregation with the senses - seeing, hearing, smelling (i.e. incense), speaking (i.e. Litanies), touching (i.e. Rosary), doing (Stations of the Cross). When we participate in these rituals, we are totally involved and surrounded sensually by what is taking place and become active participants instead of observers. :moo:

Exactly. Whether I believe in the dogma behind each ritual or not, the mass creates a "community of the spirit" that I take very much to heart.

That doesn't make me a Catholic or keep me from criticizing the Church, but we outsiders should also acknowledge what the Church does very well (including not just ritual but its many charitable works).

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

There's a lot of orders that haven't been represented in the papacy, not just Jesuits and Vincentians. The reason for the Jesuits is probably that they enjoy a reputation that is really mixed in ecclesiastical circles so they're not as unanimously approved of. Plus they're really outnumbered among the cardinals, I think.

I'm not familiar with all orders of priests, but Jesuits and Vincentians are well-known for their outstanding educational institutions.

 

[wfgodot]

The Vatican released a conclave schedule for the English-speaking press. The action will begin at 4:30 p.m. local time (11:30 a.m. EST) on Tuesday, when the cardinals process from the Pauline Chapel to the Sistine Chapel. At 4:45 p.m., each cardinal will swear an oath of secrecy, and the voting may begin.

http://www.boston.com/news/local/bl...benedict-xvi/p3TNCoo3DQULGKV4kwzO5M/blog.html

 

[Gardenlady]

I corrected my post above - the mass actually begins at 5 am eastern time.