Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

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Paywalled.

Paraphrased:

As he fled into dense bush at the base of Mt Buffalo, Freeman reportedly told his wife Mali that he would see her “in heaven” and urged her to escape with their young child. Friends say that, well before the incident, Freeman had declared he would never be taken alive and would rather die than be arrested.
 
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I was thinking about the whole sovereign citizen thing, I believe I may have touched upon similar ideas previously...

If Dezi was indeed a sovereign citizen, as reported - sovereign citizens often engage in something called paper terrorism. The following excerpt is taken from Wikipedia:

Cases involving sovereign citizens can cause law enforcement officers and court officials severe problems. Sovereign citizens may challenge the laws, rules, or sentences they disagree with by engaging in the practice known as paper terrorism, which involves filing complaints with legal documents that may be bogus or simply misused. Minor issues such as traffic violations or disagreements over pet-licensing fees may provoke numerous court filings. Courts then find themselves burdened by having to process hundreds of pages of irregular, sometimes incomprehensible documents, straining their resources.

A central aim of paper terrorism appears to be the imposition of substantial costs - in time, money, and manpower - upon the system.

This is particularly intriguing because Police Chief Commissioner Mike Bush said last week that several hundred police are still in the area searching for Freeman.

This September 29th The Age article states:

Bush told reporters the number of police hunting for Freeman had been significantly scaled back... “At the height we had nearly 500 officers up there conducting the search, investigating and providing reassurance to the community,” Bush said. “At the moment, we have in excess of 200 officers there.”

The current deployment therefore suggests that the operation has in fact been escalated once more.

It was estimated at the 47 day mark (October 12th) that the manhunt had already cost $100 million.

If one of the movement's strategic objectives is to drain government resources to the greatest extent possible, then a protracted, high-cost search of this nature would represent an almost ideal outcome for an adherent such as Dezi.

In the latest article from The Australian, it was reported that while fleeing the scene, Dezi told his wife that he would see her in heaven. If that's true, it strongly implies that he believed his own death was imminent.

If he was already convinced that he would not survive - whether at the hands of police or by his own action - then, from the perspective of his ideological commitments, one of the most effective courses available to him would be to exploit his knowledge of the terrain, retreat to a location where his remains might never be recovered, and thereafter take his own life.

I'm sure he would be aware that police would be duty-bound to conduct an exhaustive search, and in his mind it would be the perfect physical analogue of the resource-drain tactic... instead of flooding courts with paper terrorism, he could force many months, or even years of helicopters, ground teams, dogs, and overtime - every dollar of it paid by the very government whose legitimacy he denied.
 
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But the longer the case goes without Freeman’s fate being known, the more misinformation and conjecture spreads.

This includes claims that the shooting may not have happened at all or was some kind of false flag event.

Gerard Gill, a member of the Addressing Violent Extremism and Radicalisation to Terrorism (Avert) research network at Deakin University, tracks the spread of these theories.

He says that an inquest could counteract these myths, as well as find answers about the threats posed by people such as Freeman.

It could also reveal why Freeman was not on the radar of federal authorities, given his previous threats to law enforcement. “We’re trying to understand this as a social problem and community problem, as well as a policing problem, but if it’s become a policing problem it’s gone too far.

“That’s what inquests can unpack.”
 
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But the longer the case goes without Freeman’s fate being known, the more misinformation and conjecture spreads.

This includes claims that the shooting may not have happened at all or was some kind of false flag event.

Gerard Gill, a member of the Addressing Violent Extremism and Radicalisation to Terrorism (Avert) research network at Deakin University, tracks the spread of these theories.

He says that an inquest could counteract these myths, as well as find answers about the threats posed by people such as Freeman.

It could also reveal why Freeman was not on the radar of federal authorities, given his previous threats to law enforcement. “We’re trying to understand this as a social problem and community problem, as well as a policing problem, but if it’s become a policing problem it’s gone too far.

“That’s what inquests can unpack.”
Wouldn't it be too early for an inquest? Anyone know?
 
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Wouldn't it be too early for an inquest? Anyone know?
Yeah, I don't think he was saying that an inquest needed to be done any sooner than what would be standard though.
 
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Criminal psychologist Tim Watson-Munro said the suicide theory is complicated, arguing Freeman's narcissism makes self-harm unlikely.

'This is a bloke who thinks he's above it all,' he told The Australian.

Watson-Munro, like police, is keeping an open mind about what has happened, adding that it was possible Freeman had stored food and supplies in the bush.

He said it was possible Freeman was 'so full of himself' that he wouldn't want to end his life, and that it's also possible 'he's alive somewhere'.
 
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Thoughts also remain with the third injured officer, who has yet to be identified.

Victoria Police have confirmed the man, a 56-year-old detective, is from north-east Victoria.

A police spokesperson said he was still recovering from his injuries.

He was not alone.

"For the other police who were at the scene … we continue to provide a range of welfare services," a spokesperson said.

"This is no doubt a tough and challenging journey for all of them."
 
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Independent Senator Lidia Thorpe has slammed the government’s push to allow the Home Affairs Minister to cut off welfare payments to people with outstanding warrants.

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On Monday, Senator Thorpe claimed the move was triggered by the unsolved Dezi Freeman case.

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Senator Thorpe said the changes were “not about anything else but the cops’ failure to find Dezi”.
 
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Criminal psychologist Tim Watson-Munro said the suicide theory is complicated, arguing Freeman's narcissism makes self-harm unlikely.

'This is a bloke who thinks he's above it all,' he told The Australian.

Watson-Munro, like police, is keeping an open mind about what has happened, adding that it was possible Freeman had stored food and supplies in the bush.

He said it was possible Freeman was 'so full of himself' that he wouldn't want to end his life, and that it's also possible 'he's alive somewhere'.
Except narcissists DO commit suicide when they're about to lose control, especially when they are about to lose their liberty.

See Christopher Scholtes, recently.

MOO
 
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Except narcissists DO commit suicide when they're about to lose control, especially when they are about to lose their liberty.

See Christopher Scholtes, recently.

MOO
Great point, I'm not sure why he said that.
 
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Camouflaged officers sporting machine guns and heavy metal door-rams were seen on CCTV as they filed past a shop on the main street of Mount Egerton, about 97km north-west of Melbourne, about 4am on Wednesday.

Locals reported hearing what sounded like gunfire shortly after, with the officers believed to have carried out a raid on a nearby property.

A Victoria Police spokesman told Daily Mail their officers were only there to execute a 'driving warrant', and directed further enquiries to the Australian Federal Police.

The Australian Federal Police confirmed it had been in control of the operation, but refused to reveal why or what its officers were doing.

'The AFP executed a search warrant on a regional property in the Victorian town of Mount Egerton today,' a spokesperson said.

'There is no threat to community safety. Further information will be provided at an appropriate time.'
 
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Today marks three months since two Victorian police officers were shot dead while executing a warrant in Porepunkah, and the search for the alleged gunman Dezi Freeman continues, with speculation the search could enter a new phase.
 
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Justice and court reporter Nino Bucci tells Reged Ahmad about the unease felt by those living in the Victorian town, and police theories of where Freeman could be
 
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An Australian businessman believes he locked eyes with fugitive Dezi Freeman in South Africa, just one week after he gunned down two police officers in Victoria's High Country and went on the run.

Stuart, who has ties to the AFL industry and requested only his first name be used, told former A Current Affair reporter Seb Costello he was positive he saw Freeman at the Victoria and Alfred Waterfront, a tourist district of Cape Town, on September 2nd
 
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But former police detective Charlie Bezzina has poured cold water on the claims. "This guy Dezi Freeman is not an organised criminal," Bezzina told Today. "He wouldn't have the connections, I wouldn't believe, to get a false passport. Then you've got to get past facial recognition at all areas of departure in Australia."

"I'll be very surprised if he's able to get out of the country."
 
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But former police detective Charlie Bezzina has poured cold water on the claims. "This guy Dezi Freeman is not an organised criminal," Bezzina told Today. "He wouldn't have the connections, I wouldn't believe, to get a false passport. Then you've got to get past facial recognition at all areas of departure in Australia."

"I'll be very surprised if he's able to get out of the country."

That's interesting.
I wonder who the connections are that Charlie Bezzina thinks can organise a fake passport? He's speaking like he knows the only people that could organise one.

Filby has managed to disappear without a trace. He's managed to avoid the detection of hundreds of officers, helicopters with state of the art technology and all sorts of other surveillance. At this point, only a fool would be ruling out the possibility of him leaving the country.

MOO
 

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