Portugal - At least 15 killed in derailment of an iconic yellow tram in Lisbon

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965053004127609079

RIP

 

[PrairieWind]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965053004127609079

RIP

Wow, how sad. He was killed by the tram he went to look at.

 

[Dotta]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1965556683834269741

" 'Very, very fast, like going in the highway
and everyone was screaming',
Iguernane recalled from a hospital bed with a fractured hip and shoulder.

'It was very scary.
It crashed.
I didn’t see him.
I called him.
I was calling Aziz and he didn’t answer'.

The Canadian couple, both originally from Morocco,
had been enjoying their vacation in Portugal
when they decided to ride the 140-year-old electric funicular."

RIP

 

[PatLaurel]

Preliminary report uploaded today.

https://www.gpiaaf.gov.pt/upload/processos/d054264.pdf

"Cable did not comply (...)
cable was not suitable (...)
cable was not certified (...)
The area where the cable broke was not accessible for visual inspection without dismantling the swivel."

SMH... MOO JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

Preliminary report uploaded today.

https://www.gpiaaf.gov.pt/upload/processos/d054264.pdf

"Cable did not comply (...)
cable was not suitable (...)
cable was not certified (...)
The area where the cable broke was not accessible for visual inspection without dismantling the swivel."

SMH... MOO JMO

I started to comment earlier and then as I waded more in, saw this will take a lot of time. But it looks like the are throwing CCFL under the bus.

 

[PatLaurel]

I started to comment earlier and then as I waded more in, saw this will take a lot of time. But it looks like the are throwing CCFL under the bus.

BBM

That really seems to be the case. Hence the re-elected mayor insisting that the accident is not a political issue. In my opinion, it is a political issue and attributed to his administration. He wastes money on useless things instead of investing in what truly matters, in this case, Carris (CCFL). Reportedly, its employees have flagged several maintenance failures in different transport services in the past years, but they were never "heard." To me, if the responsibility falls on Carris, then it directly falls on Mayor Carlos Moedas.

MOO JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

BBM

That really seems to be the case. Hence the re-elected mayor insisting that the accident is not a political issue. In my opinion, it is a political issue and attributed to his administration. He wastes money on useless things instead of investing in what truly matters, in this case, Carris (CCFL). Reportedly, its employees have flagged several maintenance failures in different transport services in the past years, but they were never "heard." To me, if the responsibility falls on Carris, then it directly falls on Mayor Carlos Moedas.

MOO JMO

Thanks for all your impute. "Who" is CCFL? What is the relationship with the city , etc. I don't know much about Portugal so I don't know how this all works there.

 

[PatLaurel]

Thanks for all your impute. "Who" is CCFL? What is the relationship with the city , etc. I don't know much about Portugal so I don't know how this all works there.

Carris (Companhia Carris de Ferro de Lisboa) (Lisbon Tramways Company) is a public transportation company in Lisbon, Portugal. Carris operates Lisbon's buses, trams, and funiculars. It does not operate the Lisbon Metro. Carris was founded September 18, 1872.

The management of CARRIS was transferred to the Lisbon City Council in 2017, which means that the city council is now the entity that oversees the company.

On a side note, I'm still in disbelief that the mayor was re-elected after the tragic accident.

 

[PrairieWind]

Carris (Companhia Carris de Ferro de Lisboa) (Lisbon Tramways Company) is a public transportation company in Lisbon, Portugal. Carris operates Lisbon's buses, trams, and funiculars. It does not operate the Lisbon Metro. Carris was founded September 18, 1872.

The management of CARRIS was transferred to the Lisbon City Council in 2017, which means that the city council is now the entity that oversees the company.

On a side note, I'm still in disbelief that the mayor was re-elected after the tragic accident.

What is the likelihood of City officials being held responsible for this? The company would appear to be clearly at fault for improper operation of the train, but with the company being taken over by the government, is there actually any recourse?

 

[PatLaurel]

What is the likelihood of City officials being held responsible for this? The company would appear to be clearly at fault for improper operation of the train, but with the company being taken over by the government, is there actually any recourse?

Those are questions I don’t have answers to. Our Polícia Judiciária is investigating the accident, and it’s the one police force I have complete confidence in. As for the other entities, I really can’t say... and when politics are involved, even less so. I just hope the case doesn’t get swept under the rug and that those responsible don’t get away with it.


Elevador da Glória: vítimas queixam-se de não terem sido contactadas pela Câmara de Lisboa


"This Friday, confronted with these testimonies, in an electoral campaign action, Carlos Moedas assured the opposite: "I contacted all the families of the people who unfortunately are no longer here. My team has been with everyone and they are all having full support. They know they have the door open. But I took special care of people who lost their loved ones."
The words of the mayor and re-candidate for the position are denied not only by the widower, who says he has never spoken to Carlos Moedas, but by a woman identified as Lilian, who says she was contacted by the Government and the President of the Republic, but not by the mayor."

If a month after the accident there were lies during the election campaign... you can almost guess where this case is headed. I hope I'm wrong. MOO JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

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According to the investigation, when the type of cable that caused the accident was first installed in the Glória funicular in December 2022, workers and inspectors noted its different handling behaviour due to its synthetic fibre core which was much more flexible and easier to manipulate.

After being subjected to the weight of the carriages, “the cable stretched considerably and required a 4.5-metre-long section to be cut so that the carriages were maintained in their correct positions”.




The report said that the tramway operators did not have the necessary training to realise that the cable did not meet the required specifications.

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Carris’s engineering department, the investigators added, “assumed that the cable in question corresponded to the synthetic fibre core alternative permitted in its own specifications and had no reason to suspect that the newly acquired cable did not meet them”.

The cable was found to have frayed progressively over time. This was not flagged up by regular inspections.

Seems to be a long chain of not qualified people making decisions.

 

[PatLaurel]

Seems to be a long chain of not qualified people making decisions.

Responsibility starts with the mayor and ends with the mayor. With dignity, the president of Carris resigned after the second report. Unlike the mayor, who shamefully continued his campaign after the accident, passing the hot potato to others. If he were honest and had a shred of shame, he would have resigned on the spot, or at the very least, right after the Carris president did.
Two resignations too late... Hopefully the final report will be the charm!

MOO JMO