Possible Break in Stacy's case - Cops planning on a search tomorrow 6/5/10

[mitzi]

Fess

Tina had operation in Peoria.

CESARE: Yes. I was really disappointed. Her sister, Tina (ph), who was my girlfriend back about 10 years ago, was diagnosed with cancer. And she was having an operation in Peoria, which is about two-and-a-half hours south of here. And I wanted to bring her sister down there to visit because it`s a long ride for a young girl like Stacy, and it wasn`t allowed. He wouldn`t let her go and...

http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0711/05/ng.01.html

Bold mine.

Woop, there it is!...."She's where she wants to be" said Drew.

Stacy wanted to be with her sister, but Drew wouldn't let her go. It would be just like him to bury her down there in Peoria and then say on TV, that she's where she wanted to be. :furious:

 

[shotgun09]

What type of hunting was the "club" noted for? Was it waterfowl, pheasant, or deer? Either or, the seasons usually open the first of November-ish don't they? So, DP would have had to hurry and get her body there ( 3 day head clearing trip ) before the property would have been over run with other hunters (friends of friends )

 

[Pensfan]

It may have specific land marks that hunters and others "know" and would be able to get to very easily. Just because we can't "see" them doesn't really mean they are not there :smile:
JMOO

IMO, the inmate would not have been taken to the site if he didn't know the exact spot. If the inmate had only been told by DP that Stacy was disposed of in a soy bean field, LE wouldn't need to take him to the site. IMO, if this inmate isn't lying, he knew the exact site because he was present at the disposal.

 

[Mysterylover]

Just the opposite of what the guy I know here does - :biggrin: he doesn't have time to farm but loves to hunt...so leases out the farming and he keeps the hunting...works for him and the farmer :smile:

And if this is a "hunting club" but it is also a farm and the owner works 100 hrs a week with his restaraunt then, there could be various scenario's as to who/when people would actually be on the property and for what....it's possible DP knew someone who knew someone who knew someone ......KWIM??
and to make long story short - knew that it was very possible no one would notice him there and/or be there at that time. October should have been hunting season, but if the club was up for sale wonder if it was used/open that year....

wasalurker, Did the Old owner or New owner say they worked 100 hrs. a week in his restaurant?
If he's working 100 hrs. a week in the restaurant, he doesn't have time to farm it and possibly has the farming leased, also.

How long has this person owned the land? We need to know what year.
Since the Tax record says "child", did the present owner inherit it from his Father or buy it from a stranger?

Wasalurker, I don't know any farmers in my area that would allow just any hunter to go into his shed or barn and use his tractor /equipment or backhoe. Too much liability...of course ole D. could have been his charming, convincing self and used the equipment.

 

[wasalurker]

IMO, the inmate would not have been taken to the site if he didn't know the exact spot. If the inmate had only been told by DP that Stacy was disposed of in a soy bean field, LE wouldn't need to take him to the site. IMO, if this inmate isn't lying, he knew the exact site because he was present at the disposal.

This might sound strange but could it be that maybe just maybe a hunter saw something "strange" from his blind (is that what they call those things in the trees that hunters wait in?) and really didn't think about it as DP/Stacy since it was in Peoria area and she was reported missing in BB?
But he talked to someone about what he saw, and down the line someone (or he) put 2 + 2 together and finally someone went to LE with the info? Knowing where this hunters blind is and where he saw it would give you a definite area (landmark) to go to??
Again just speculation and JMOO but I am trying to figure out how someone could know the "exact" area and yet not be involved.....

 

[Noway]

Do we know yet what part of the farm LE are at???

Near Trigger Road.

At the GIS link, you can choose an option for Crime Report, and the map that shows up has street names. You can choose Satellite with Road Names or something like that.

 

[shotgun09]

Great thought wasalurker! The hunters who own the property next to us are usually up in their stands from dawn to dusk 4 out of 7 days a week. And, sometimes there isn't a vehicle in site, yet I can spot them up in the stands. DP seems like he would have scoped the area out good before he did the deed, however, he might have missed a camoflauged character in the trees LOL

 

[Noway]

FWIW, all the properties listen in Peoria County have "Names Secured." It is not specific to the properties owned by Mr. Alwan.

 

[wasalurker]

wasalurker, Did the Old owner or New owner say they worked 100 hrs. a week in his restaurant?
If he's working 100 hrs. a week in the restaurant, he doesn't have time to farm it and possibly has the farming leased, also.

How long has this person owned the land? Since the Tax record says "child" ,did he inherit it from his Father?

I don't know any farmers in my area that would allow just any hunter to go into his shed or barn and use his tractor or backhoe. Too much liability...

It was the new owner on one of the local channels either last night or this morning's recap....don't know about the "old" owner...

And I am not saying that anyone would "allow" someone to use it....but if the farming was leased, harvest done, and hunting just started or about to start the equipment could have been in a barn, etc and DP just helped himself to it...and then put it back....hunters wouldn't know he wasn't the farmer or didn't have permission. If the farmer wasn't on the land then he had no idea someone used it, etc......my mind is just wondering....:waitasec::waitasec:

I know the guy I know that owns the downstate land had his 4 wheelers turn up at the end of his property one time and had no idea of how they got there. Someone had used them, ran them out of gas, and then just left them there. So from then on he made sure he had them locked up securely but before that - nope - the farmer didn't use them and no one else was "supposed" to be there when he wasn't....so just saying....it could be possible on a 150 acre piece of land in my mind - you can't watch all 150 acres at the same time KWIM??
:smile:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Near Trigger Road.

At the GIS link, you can choose an option for Crime Report, and the map that shows up has street names. You can choose Satellite with Road Names or something like that.

They also mentioned Kickapoo creek and it sits further back then that property goes and they showed a SUV crossing a creek in one of the videos. I wonder if he owns more property then just that parcel.

 

[shotgun09]

I do recall them interviewing a neighbor of the property owner, who said that his property goes back to the creek, and it was pretty boggy back there now.

 

[Leila]

Leila, I see the property being sold as a Big coincidence.

Why for every year, the real estate tax information from 1998-2010 is "Names Are Secured" in the column where name information would be?
I find this not a coincidence either, someone had reason to block this info..and sales data...WHY?....jmo


Let's hope LE or someone looks into whether DP owned, was partners or knew/ had Any dealings with the previous owner.

D. would have had to borrow or rent something to dig the hole, Unless he hired someone to dig it for him.
So if he borrowed a back-hoe or tractor, was it the land owners machinery? or did he hire the land owner to dig the hole?
I think he would have been too lazy to dig it himself.

Could DP or the LE have this land leased with permission to hunt or shoot on it?
For how long?
There has to be a reason he felt 'safe enough' on this property to dig a large hole ?

Another question that's been on my mind is:
Did he have chemicals in the drum he buried, or did he empty chemicals in the hole? (from the large quantities he had in his garage)

I've suspected he kept the barrel at his airplane hanger until he had help moving it.? ....

Just keeping my fingers crossed, this sad, sad case is solved...

Did you check to see if the property on either side of the property in question, or other properties checked at random in that area have the "names are secured" in the information column?

If this is the only property with "names are secured" in the information column............then I think this is very curious indeed!

I also think DP kept Stacy's body stored somewhere until his three-day "head clearing" trip. I think that trip was for the purpose of disposing of Stacy's body, and I think he had help doing that. He left his home and returned via his motorcycle. I think he drove that to his accomplice's house, left it there, and he and his accomplice took another vehicle on that trip.

I've placed a theory in the thread I've started on theories based on this new search.

Theories Based on LE Search in Peoria Area - June 5, 2010 - Websleuths Crime Sleuthing Community

 

[passionflower]

I can see DP being able to tell a farmer (charmingly)
that he saw a road kill or killed (deer) and could he use the backhoe to bury it............
flash his badge and farmer agreed...........not knowing about DP, missing wife etc...........

 

[Noway]

I don't know what the Genealogy and Parent/Child mean. The tax year referenced was 1993.

It is possible that his dad transferred ownership to him but then that would mean he did own the property in 2007. Then again, the property being searched may not be the same parcel as the property that the farm is on.

I tried to find the property under Parent 08*******3 for 1993 but online, all I can find on that link is 1995-present.

It does seem that all properties in Peoria County have names secured. I did a random check.

ETA
Is it possible that the "parent" is the original parcel of property and the "child" is a piece of that "parent property"?

I wonder if a large parcel of land was split into smaller parcels in 1993.

We need an expert in real estate lingo here!

 

[Mysterylover]

I'm not sure which address you wanted checked.

I used the white pages and found a 7*** West Grange Hall Road address for David.

Then I went to http://66.99.203.101/assessor/realasp1.asp and typed in the information from the white pages.

Unfortunately, for every year, I get "Names Are Secured" in the column where name information would be (information from 1998-2010).

ETA
I got the same results in searching for the info on the address of the Big Hollow Sportsman's Club on West Grange Hall at the address given here: http://msmdcnews.com/police-dig-near-peoria-for-stacy-petersons-body-galesburg-register-mail/7221

Noway, Notice this article says 'adjacent' to Big Hollow S. Club

MSMDC News partial QUOTE:

Illinois State Police and other agencies are searching a heavily wooded area adjacent to Big Hollow Sportsman’s Club, Peoria County.

The 150-acre parcel is owned by D. A., who said Saturday that he was asked by authorities not to reveal information about the search.
Alwan did say he had never met Drew Peterson and had no idea why his property may have been selected as a site to dispose of a body...end of quote

 

[passionflower]

Bold mine.

Woop, there it is!...."She's where she wants to be" said Drew.

Stacy wanted to be with her sister, but Drew wouldn't let her go. It would be just like him to bury her down there in Peoria and then say on TV, that she's where she wanted to be. :furious:

I bet Stacy never forgave him for not letting her be with her sister.
Many heated comments?
IIRC Stacy took her sister's death hard and had a big depression after.

 

[Noway]

Mysterylover, I meant that the "Names Secured" information was on both records.

I can only guess that the parcel number for the 150 acres is that of the farm, but I wasn't sure what address Nervous Nellie wanted checked. (She is local.)

 

[Mysterylover]

FWIW, all the properties listen in Peoria County have "Names Secured." It is not specific to the properties owned by Mr. Alwan....

Noway, Interesting info., thanks ...the tax listings in my city all have the owners names listed, which is very useful in a lot of different ways.

Another thought that's crossed my mind is:
Could it be possible ole D. had the hole dug ever since he tried to 'accidently' shoot S. in the garage through the bedroom ceiling?

 

[Noway]

The 08*******5 property parcel was created in 1993. I just noticed that on the tax information I brought up for 2005. I'm sure it's noted on the others too.

It makes me think that it was originally part of 08*******3.

 

[wasalurker]

I am going to have to go search for the link but I remember reading a quote by the landowner that said he drove investigators down to the area they were interested in cause they wanted to make sure that it was on his property.....so there must be a property line close to it
I'll try to find it but if anyone knows the article I'm talking about please post it....:smile: and TIA