Possible Links between RAT and JM

[Soulmagent]

Aeronomy- I dont think your question was ever answered a few pages back. RAT was in jail when Alicia Showalter Reynolds was abducted on RT 29.

That might not be true. He was set to be released for a date after the murder ,however it is possible he was released earlier than his set release date. I do not think that in 1996 these records were on file in a computer system. If he was releaed early it might be hard even for LE to find.

Post 5 is worth reading.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?219239-Victim-Alicia-Showalter-Reynolds-and-the-Route-29-Stalker-2-March-1996&p=9755146#post9755146

 

[ksj3]

That might not be true. He was set to be released for a date after the murder ,however it is possible he was released earlier than his set release date. I do not think that in 1996 these records were on file in a computer system. If he was releaed early it might be hard even for LE to find.

Post 5 is worth reading.
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?219239-Victim-Alicia-Showalter-Reynolds-and-the-Route-29-Stalker-2-March-1996&p=9755146#post9755146

Here's one thing I don't get about the 29SK, and perhaps someone can enlighten me. I'm sure I could spend hours finding out, but I don't have the time and I imagine someone here knows.

For the victims whose bodies were found, like Alicia, is there no DNA that can be matched to any of the POIs? Why is it that those cases haven't been solved?

 

[Ghostwheel]

Here's one thing I don't get about the 29SK, and perhaps someone can enlighten me. I'm sure I could spend hours finding out, but I don't have the time and I imagine someone here knows.

For the victims whose bodies were found, like Alicia, is there no DNA that can be matched to any of the POIs? Why is it that those cases haven't been solved?

in 2013, some of the evidence in Alicia's case was taken to be re-examined. I don't know what happened with that. In 1996 when Alicia was murdered, there wasn't all the technology we have now. They needed much larger samples to get any information at all. In 2000, there were only 441,181 offender profiles in CODIS. Today there is in excess of 9,761,083 offender profiles in CODIS. And yet still there is a line waiting for results in current cases, so it takes someone in LE who has the time and cares to open up and old case and bring that old DNA evidence back to the forefront. It doesn't happen in the hour you see on TV :~).
http://news.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2013/03/01/evidence-in-29-stalker-to-get-new-look/

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/biometric-analysis/codis/codis_brochure

 

[Soulmagent]

in 2013, some of the evidence in Alicia's case was taken to be re-examined. I don't know what happened with that. In 1996 when Alicia was murdered, there wasn't all the technology we have now. They needed much larger samples to get any information at all. In 2000, there were only 441,181 offender profiles in CODIS. Today there is in excess of 9,761,083 offender profiles in CODIS. And yet still there is a line waiting for results in current cases, so it takes someone in LE who has the time and cares to open up and old case and bring that old DNA evidence back to the forefront. It doesn't happen in the hour you see on TV :~).
http://news.fredericksburg.com/newsdesk/2013/03/01/evidence-in-29-stalker-to-get-new-look/

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/lab/biometric-analysis/codis/codis_brochure

IMO ,I believe they compared RAT to the sample on Alicia. However I believe that is as far as that went.
I am not sure of that but I believe that to be true.
You can search Alicia's mothers post all over the web , Sadie showalter.IMO She is passionate and smart but very upset about some aspects of the case according to news articles and post.
I firmly believe we can knock Darrel rice from the 29 stalker profile. Thats just me. IMO.

There is some kind of evidence in Alicia's case , but I do not know if it is DNA, However there is DNA in Amy bakers case which is very similar to Alicia's case ,I would like to see those cases compared.

 

[themom]

It does seem way farfetched.

I agree with that, so we were just trying to connect RAT and JM together. It is hard to ignore bark however because really how far fetched is it that Cville, has 3 people who have abducted people in high profile cases who have all at different times lived in the 100 block of georgetown rd?

It is kinda mind bending .

All these guys have the same range Richmond to newport news.

Barker also is suspect in Cynthia powers murder ,and that case. there was arson of a home.

This kind of information makes me think there is a bigger ring they are all tied to, rather than them all knowing one another individually somehow.
It's just really hard for me to see how JM/HG was something more than a random run in turned into an opportunity to rape and murder.

Unless there is more to the story than the public knows, which is possible. There are so many strange things in this case that don't make sense on their own, but put together, maybe it does...

1.HG "had her world turned upside down that night" -LE
2.HG seemingly on pursuit of someone or something, doesn't seem like random roaming. And, if she just wanted to get back home or to a party near school, she would have asked the McGradys doorman how to get back to UVa from there, as she was obviously lost there.
3.The WG and the High Five lady on the mall are suspicious.
4.HGs parents pleading, seemingly to a specific person, about giving them information on HG.

I don't understand why there would be a group acting to rape and murder together, as there is nothing that seems to come out of this (no money, jewels, etc) but as someone mentioned earlier, maybe it is a club of sorts.

JMO/some thoughts.

 

[oldwindow]

Here's one thing I don't get about the 29SK, and perhaps someone can enlighten me. I'm sure I could spend hours finding out, but I don't have the time and I imagine someone here knows.

For the victims whose bodies were found, like Alicia, is there no DNA that can be matched to any of the POIs? Why is it that those cases haven't been solved?

As silly as it sounds, it falls down on work man hours and pay/cost to do. These fields of work don't have many people signing up to be in them to be honest. And when they do have 10 people wanting to be in the said career, they pick just 1-2. Me personally, I will tell you when your dealing with stuff like this you dealing with 2-3 people of science and rest LE most of the time.

Its hard career field to get into and LE wants to keep is small but greatly effective. On top of that it cost a lot of money. So it "one at a time" techniques. which sadly the case all across the boards.

 

[oldwindow]

This kind of information makes me think there is a bigger ring they are all tied to, rather than them all knowing one another individually somehow.
It's just really hard for me to see how JM/HG was something more than a random run in turned into an opportunity to rape and murder.

Unless there is more to the story than the public knows, which is possible. There are so many strange things in this case that don't make sense on their own, but put together, maybe it does...

1.HG "had her world turned upside down that night" -LE
2.HG seemingly on pursuit of someone or something, doesn't seem like random roaming. And, if she just wanted to get back home or to a party near school, she would have asked the McGradys doorman how to get back to UVa from there, as she was obviously lost there.
3.The WG and the High Five lady on the mall are suspicious.
4.HGs parents pleading, seemingly to a specific person, about giving them information on HG.

I don't understand why there would be a group acting to rape and murder together, as there is nothing that seems to come out of this (no money, jewels, etc) but as someone mentioned earlier, maybe it is a club of sorts.

JMO/some thoughts.

I agree with you. Its too many people killing that area and evidence of more people each time, iss just not common unless theres a gang or cult of sorts.. How do we get a black man sketch stopping people in the area from white a white man sketch doing it but when caught the crimes keep going.. Then there's a sketch of D.Rice and one that look 100% like Rat the next go around. When he is not suspect in the time not even considered at the time.. How do we get a black man sketch in this in that time frame.?

Its just odd.

I have hunch on the tow truck place that's now defunct. I assume this was a sham for profit type of thing. All the car stops are the same. white flag on the car and those cars towed.. I think some of those peoples and car's never found. Some one need to do back ground check on who towed the cars and company and victim missing.. The thing that gets me the most when I think about all this.

S.Clark mother said in quote "SC went tow truck riding with Rat, and he 2 other guys with him in the truck".. To me in my mind that could be recruitment tool in getting others to do these acts. The scary part is we don't know how many people he did this with but we do know these guy were from around the same area and younger than him all the rt29 oliving space. All where younger than him except 1. I think the tow truck place was sham for profit, stopping people for profit. If they cant pay the debt or a person found to claim it for certain amount of time in the behalf , the car belong or is owned by the towing company. the best way to claim for profit (the car )would be to kill them,, it common practice to give the person with a downed-car a lift. Even then they don't have pick up the down car.

You have many escapes with this coverage tactic.

To me this why rat was seen is so many cars and stopping in so many cars. They was shaming people missing/killed people.
that just my hunch on it. You can meet a lot people by doing this joy riding angle and teach them these things, you don't have to actually know them.

 

[themom]

I agree with you. It many people killing that area and evidence of more people each time is just not common. How do get a black man sketch stopping people in the area from white a white man sketch doing it but when caught the crimes keep going.. Then there's a sketch of D.Rice and one that look 100% like Rat. When he is not suspect in the time even considered at the time.. How do you get a black man sketch in this in that time frame.?

Its just odd.

I have hunch on the tow truck place that's know defunct. I assume this was sham type of thing. All the car stops are the same.. white flag on the car and those cars towed.. I think some of those peoples and car's never found. Some one need to do back ground check on who towed the cars and company.

Agree. JM had a few friends on his FB that are in the car and towing business...
Not to compare the two, BUT where I'm originally from (NJ), it is common for organized crime to have car towing and construction businesses as fronts to assist with their crimes.

Did we ever find out more about the CARR EXCAVATING truck that a WSer spotted before HG was found? Where was that truck seen, if anyone recalls?

 

[themom]

We should hear back about the JM DNA in the AM case this week, supposedly. Here we are, midweek...could be any day now...

 

[oldwindow]

Agree. JM had a few friends on his FB that are in the car and towing business...
Not to compare the two, BUT where I'm originally from (NJ), it is common for organized crime to have car towing and construction businesses as fronts to assist with their crimes.

Did we ever find out more about the CARR EXCAVATING truck that a WSer spotted before HG was found? Where was that truck seen, if anyone recalls?

From what I understand a lot de-valued it, called it rumor.

 

[oldwindow]

We should hear back about the JM DNA in the AM case this week, supposedly. Here we are, midweek...could be any day now...

I don't think it will be this week ,maybe mid November.

 

[oldwindow]

Thank you, I thought it was never confirmed. Nothing that says blood was found on the wall of the trailer. For example:
"Typically, luminol only shows investigators that there might be blood in an area, since other substances, including household bleach, can also cause the luminol to glow."

http://science.howstuffworks.com/luminol3.htm

Guaranteed there's some bleach on a lot of my walls. Oddly enough, horseradish also glows with the luminol mix used for finding blood spatters. (random fact)

I have seen these cameras work up close and personal because, Im retired lawyer myself I wanted to see with my own 2 eyes. Not hear say and etc., These camera's are 100% accurate in definition of what the chemical soil is, you cant swab bleach or Lysol and the likes and get blood, because there's has to be blood. It doesn't work like that of what your saying this and that = blood glow or same pattern. Its not based on that at all.

The chemical compound found in human and animal blood when it stains, is unique to each person. It has its own signature if you will. Am blood signature checked out to 100% in small splatters on his walls . If he tried to clean it with bleach or what ever. The camera is looking for blood signature soils, not bleach. If was not there it would not pick up. There-for that angle is not going to work of cleaning. I have already talk to a person who does this type techs before way before this case ever happened. As a lawyer you need to be up to date with new things that Le bring for the edge or you own.. Wether he used spic & span cleaning detergent does not matter in the search for signatue blood of certain soils by a person..

The walls can glow all day long but that camera is programed to find blood and soil of certain signature. Some may be sitting here and say ok. Lay off the vodka. But little did anyone know they had cell phone sniffing dogs, they also things that will blow you mind. I'm going to be honest with you, a lot don't know the half of what LE have to find certain things.

 

[themom]

From what I understand a lot de-valued it, called it rumor.

Oh, good to know. Thank.you for clearing that up for me

 

[ThinkHard]

Perhaps this has been discussed but I just saw it and wanted to share...its from an article about reopening the AM case...its a quote from her Aunt

Trina Murphy said, "I think when a teenager of 17 thinks about an older man they're thinking like 21. I don't see any probable cause to think that my niece would be in any way attracted to LJ or associated with him."

Article: http://www.nbc29.com/story/26687150/attorney-requests-reopening-alexis-murphy-case

I know she is saying she doesn't see why Alexis would have been with JLM...but she also refers to him as LJ....which makes me think he wasnt unknown to her...and if she was familiar enough with him to call him LJ...perhaps so was her niece.

 

[Soulmagent]

Agree. JM had a few friends on his FB that are in the car and towing business...
Not to compare the two, BUT where I'm originally from (NJ), it is common for organized crime to have car towing and construction businesses as fronts to assist with their crimes.

Did we ever find out more about the CARR EXCAVATING truck that a WSer spotted before HG was found? Where was that truck seen, if anyone recalls?

I saw it while I was at the intersection of loiusa road and black cat road, I was making a u turn to go back down black cat road again and it was heading towards chopping bottom branch direction. It was a white dump truck (older) with red letters.

 

[themom]

I saw it while I was at the intersection of loiusa road and black cat road, I was making a u turn to go back down black cat road again and it was heading towards chopping bottom branch direction. It was a white dump truck (older) with red letters.

Thank you! Is that anywhere near Old Lynchburg Rd? I'm sorry I don't know the area that well.

 

[Ghostwheel]

***Respectfully snipped for space*** Some may be sitting here and say ok. Lay off the vodka.

BBM: Great line. I may have to use it some day.

 

[Ghostwheel]

Perhaps this has been discussed but I just saw it and wanted to share...its from an article about reopening the AM case...its a quote from her Aunt

Trina Murphy said, "I think when a teenager of 17 thinks about an older man they're thinking like 21. I don't see any probable cause to think that my niece would be in any way attracted to LJ or associated with him."

Article: http://www.nbc29.com/story/26687150/attorney-requests-reopening-alexis-murphy-case

I know she is saying she doesn't see why Alexis would have been with JLM...but she also refers to him as LJ....which makes me think he wasnt unknown to her...and if she was familiar enough with him to call him LJ...perhaps so was her niece.

From the article:
"In a letter, Hallahan requests that Nelson County Commonwealth's Attorney Anthony Martin conduct additional DNA testing in the Alexis Murphy case and also requests the reexamination of Murphy's social media activity and Matthew's social media activity to determine if they had any contact."

BBM: But wait. Didn't RAT call Samantha Clarke? That's even more direct than social media, and should point to RAT in that case, then. You can't have it both ways....

 

[ThinkHard]

From the article:
"In a letter, Hallahan requests that Nelson County Commonwealth's Attorney Anthony Martin conduct additional DNA testing in the Alexis Murphy case and also requests the reexamination of Murphy's social media activity and Matthew's social media activity to determine if they had any contact."

BBM: But wait. Didn't RAT call Samantha Clarke? That's even more direct than social media, and should point to RAT in that case, then. You can't have it both ways....

Well if you want to toy with a real stretch of a theory...rt claimed he was warning SC about somebody...could that somebody have been LJ?

I dunno but both these cases just smell funny.

 

[katinva]

Perhaps this has been discussed but I just saw it and wanted to share...its from an article about reopening the AM case...its a quote from her Aunt

Trina Murphy said, "I think when a teenager of 17 thinks about an older man they're thinking like 21. I don't see any probable cause to think that my niece would be in any way attracted to LJ or associated with him."

Article: http://www.nbc29.com/story/26687150/attorney-requests-reopening-alexis-murphy-case

I know she is saying she doesn't see why Alexis would have been with JLM...but she also refers to him as LJ....which makes me think he wasnt unknown to her...and if she was familiar enough with him to call him LJ...perhaps so was her niece.

It's probably just because thats what everyone knows him as. I am sure if there was any connection that the Murphy's would be all over it.