Possible Significance of the Neighbors Names?

[Broderick]

On the 15th Casey was still at home. Again, all she had to do was tell the As where the body was...

Why would she do that? I don't think they figured out she was dead til later on. Casey was playing a game and keeping the story straight in her head, telling a bit of truth in each lie as so many people said she did or people do. I don't know for sure if she wanted the body found, but likely she was detached and letting them scavenger hunt. I think about a month later or perhaps a bit more is when they realized Caylee was gone. I thought Lee was honest with LE and maybe George to a degree. Cindy always lies like her daughter.

 

[wedavis]

Tell Yuri that, because he is very interested from what I heard.

Now, remember the middle name came afterwards right????

Well, remember the search on the computer for ZG? Someone was doing a lot of research after the 15th of July on that name.

Ok now that I think about it some more...

Are you saying it was important for the body to be found while she was in jail so Casey would look more innocent?

 

[tx_Dot]

This may be nothing, but then again, with this case, who knows? After reading about the Z and G neighbor possibility for the made up name for Zanny, I thought back to the jail talk between mother/daughter about a TT, who I thought right away was related to Kiomarie. Something about TT had said CA had been hospitalized for mental issues. I found it odd that KC would remark back that she didn't know any of these people. I wonder now if CA bringing this up during recorded jail talks was a way to let KC say she didn't know any of the neighbors, thus enabling her in this elaborate ruse. I hope that made sense.

I think the "Tia T" that CA asks about is either Kio's mother/sister......
on 'white pages' Kio is still shown to live on Hopespring along w/ two other T's....

the females 'nickname' could easily be "Tia".......I think KC lied (again) since she & Kio have been friends for so long, I'm sure KC did know this Tia T.

 

[Broderick]

Ok now that I think about it some more...

Are you saying it was important for the body to be found while she was in jail, so Casey would look more innocent?

I don't know if she wanted the body found, or perhaps she wanted the family to find it first and destroy/remove it. I think Casey was surprised that nobody could find it and after a bit kind of said, wow they might not find her at all. Either way, as folks like Padilla say most criminal minds and liars tend to have a bit of truth in their lies.

I see the half truths and truths stacking up this way.

1. She left the baby with the nanny, someone she trusted (as she said), which was herself. She said to only trust yourself.
2. She was with Zanaida Gonzalez. In a map sense if she thought about the people living in those homes, she was correct.
3. She left her at Sawgrass on the steps. The body was found in what some people call Sawgrass and the markers were pavers or steps.
4. She was close. No doubt.
5. She was okay, I feel it in my gut. She was unfound.
6. Look in familiar places she told Lee. It was on the way to school for both of them.
7. A "T" was mentioned. The homes are at the T of Suburban and Hopespring.


There are plenty more lies that start to line up as half truths if these were the real clues she was giving.

 

[JBean]

I thought we were supposed to back up our posts with links and/or information that make it fact or at least show our source of information - there are links in this thread with innocent people's names and addresses that come up yet we can't have permission to have a map link? If no information should be posted and no map link then just discuss how interesting it is oh wow?

knock it off cocoamom. Every single person here is trying to work within the parameters given.

 

[Gma Kat]

I think KC is a seat of the pants type liar, almost like a little kid trying to get out of trouble, and their lies just keep building. As far as the thought and planning, I doubt much went into it.
As for once she had been nailed down by her mother, however... According to LA, the first thing said to KC by her mother was "What did you do?!" Then, "Who took her?" I think KC saw a way out with the second question, took it, and never looked back.

Wouldn't it have been nice if KC would have been forced to answer that first question? I have to agree with this theory that she lies like a child. Not one of her lies could be backed up so IMO not thought through very well. Or perhaps she was just so used to her lies working with no one to ever call her on them that she did lie on the fly, assuming that as usual she would not be challenged. I can't get over the coincidence of the neighbors names. Perhaps KC used these bits and pieces of truth so that SHE could start believing her lies and thereby pass a polygraph along the line?

 

[wedavis]

Do you think it possible that after her nanny story flopped as well as her lie about her job at Universal, that once again, thanks to CA spoon feeding her, she decided to go down the "threat to our family keeping me from telling all" avenue and realized this was a good way to incorporate lose ends, such as Universal?

That's as good a theory as any IMO.

 

[LancelotLink]

I think the "Tia T" that CA asks about is either Kio's mother/sister......
on 'white pages' Kio is still shown to live on Hopespring along w/ two other T's....

the females 'nickname' could easily be "Tia".......I think KC lied (again) since she & Kio have been friends for so long, I'm sure KC did know this Tia T.

Oh, definitely!! I'm certain she lied! I'm also certain that this name was not unknown to CA. KC ran her mouth constantly, talking almost nonstop. I don't believe for a second that this name was not known to both. I'm just trying to pin point areas where CA enabled her to lie, yet again, on jail house tapes. And the more that comes out, the more I am convinced that there is WAAAAY more to this than we know.

 

[LancelotLink]

That's as good a theory as any IMO.

Thanks. That's my theory de jur.

 

[Gma Kat]

I don't know if she wanted the body found, or perhaps she wanted the family to find it first and destroy/remove it. I think Casey was surprised that nobody could find it and after a bit kind of said, wow they might not find her at all. Either way, as folks like Padilla say most criminal minds and liars tend to have a bit of truth in their lies.

I see the half truths and truths stacking up this way.

1. She left the baby with the nanny, someone she trusted (as she said), which was herself. She said to only trust yourself.
2. She was with Zanaida Gonzalez. In a map sense if she thought about the people living in those homes, she was correct.
3. She left her at Sawgrass on the steps. The body was found in what some people call Sawgrass and the markers were pavers or steps.
4. She was close. No doubt.
5. She was okay, I feel it in my gut. She was unfound.
6. Look in familiar places she told Lee. It was on the way to school for both of them.
7. A "T" was mentioned. The homes are at the T of Suburban and Hopespring.


There are plenty more lies that start to line up as half truths if these were the real clues she was giving.

You know Broderick,,,you must have taken your brilliant pills this morning. You've made my brain dance today. Thank you!

 

[Broderick]

You know Broderick,,,you must have taken your brilliant pills this morning. You've made my brain dance today. Thank you!

AWWW thanks! Really, I can't take credit for a lot of the work other people are doing. I am just piecing stuff together and intend to listen to interviews with family again. I think things are starting to make sense for me on pieces of the puzzle. She lies on the fly and makes it up as she goes. If you look at it that way, she was. She was incorporating fact and half truths with her lies and was probably amused and befuddled that nobody figured it out, so she stuck with it, embellished a bit on it, and moved on. A true sociopath.

 

[LancelotLink]

Wouldn't it have been nice if KC would have been forced to answer that first question? I have to agree with this theory that she lies like a child. Not one of her lies could be backed up so IMO not thought through very well. Or perhaps she was just so used to her lies working with no one to ever call her on them that she did lie on the fly, assuming that as usual she would not be challenged. I can't get over the coincidence of the neighbors names. Perhaps KC used these bits and pieces of truth so that SHE could start believing her lies and thereby pass a polygraph along the line?

Oh, wouldn't it, though! Except, once again CA gave her an out. Just like she did with the drum kit at Zanny's apartment question. She had her! KC looked as if she were about to have a panic attack when CA asked her whose apartment that was...and then "Coz, I know whose apartment that is..."
Oh, no. Yeah, that's Ricardo's, but Zanny's is set up alot like his apartment."
Puleeze!! I agree with the other poster whose sig states that stupid should hurt.

 

[tx_Dot]

What is important I think about this and if this was a definite clue to where the body was (and everyone missed it) that directly shows that Casey knew where the body was all along.

She was likely playing "Catch me if you can" and found it all amusing as any sociopath might.

Yep, that's exactly what I think.....

 

[wedavis]

I don't know if she wanted the body found, or perhaps she wanted the family to find it first and destroy/remove it. I think Casey was surprised that nobody could find it and after a bit kind of said, wow they might not find her at all. Either way, as folks like Padilla say most criminal minds and liars tend to have a bit of truth in their lies.

I see the half truths and truths stacking up this way.

1. She left the baby with the nanny, someone she trusted (as she said), which was herself. She said to only trust yourself.
2. She was with Zanaida Gonzalez. In a map sense if she thought about the people living in those homes, she was correct.
3. She left her at Sawgrass on the steps. The body was found in what some people call Sawgrass and the markers were pavers or steps.
4. She was close. No doubt.
5. She was okay, I feel it in my gut. She was unfound.
6. Look in familiar places she told Lee. It was on the way to school for both of them.
7. A "T" was mentioned. The homes are at the T of Suburban and Hopespring.


There are plenty more lies that start to line up as half truths if these were the real clues she was giving.

I have wrote before that the only reason I can think of that she would want the body to be found is if she thought she did such a good job staging it to look like a kidnapping turned murder that once LE saw the tape etc. Casey would be off the hook. (Also the reason for her text to Tony: "If they never find her guess who spends eternity jail?")

Does this fit in with your theory?

 

[tx_Dot]

Oh, definitely!! I'm certain she lied! I'm also certain that this name was not unknown to CA. KC ran her mouth constantly, talking almost nonstop. I don't believe for a second that this name was not known to both. I'm just trying to pin point areas where CA enabled her to lie, yet again, on jail house tapes. And the more that comes out, the more I am convinced that there is WAAAAY more to this than we know.

Well, you would think CA would know the T neighbors, since Kio & KC had been friends for years......but then again KC loves keeping friends/family apart so they can't compare KC's lies.

 

[IRule254]

There are so many possibilities and coincidences with this case I may need a Cognac soon. LOL

My thoughts
Unless these people had kids around the same age as Casey, that she may have known or went to school with, I doubt she would have interest in knowing the names of neighbors many houses away from her parents.
Of course I could be wrong, it may all play into planning the death and blaming the nanny, and if I remember correctly Casey never stated the nanny's full name to anyone before.
I lean more towards her coming up with the ZFG name by using first and last names of people she knew of or went to high school with etc...

Maybe she got a couple of pieces of mail accidentally (happens to me ALL the time) and maybe she remembered it because she opened it and thought she might , oh, I dunno, maybe apply for a credit card or something and then remembered it from there on out.

 

[LancelotLink]

Ok now that I think about it some more...

Are you saying it was important for the body to be found while she was in jail so Casey would look more innocent?

That is the only thing i can see the defense grasping for. If anyone has any other thoughts on this or if there has been a thread dedicated to this, please let me know.

 

[LancelotLink]

Well, you would think CA would know the T neighbors, since Kio & KC had been friends for years......but then again KC loves keeping friends/family apart so they can't compare KC's lies.

Of course she knew! The way CA has insinuated herself into Kc's friends' lives, calling them up, chatting them up, warning them up...she ain't right. There is something wrong with her. I don't have children and may be way off base here, but do mothers call their children's friends and talk smack about their child?

 

[Intermezzo]

I think the "Tia T" that CA asks about is either Kio's mother/sister......
on 'white pages' Kio is still shown to live on Hopespring along w/ two other T's....

the females 'nickname' could easily be "Tia".......I think KC lied (again) since she & Kio have been friends for so long, I'm sure KC did know this Tia T.

bold me
Cindy could also have been mistaken in the name
Doesn't the word Tia mean Aunt in spanish?
For those that are spanish speaking on this forum, is there a name in spanish that can be shortened to Tia?
I looked up Tia Carrera, the actress, and her real name is Althea.

 

[tx_Dot]

I have wrote before that the only reason I can think of that she would want the body to be found is if she thought she did such a good job staging it to look like a kidnapping turned murder that once LE saw the tape etc. Casey would be off the hook. (Also the reason for her text to Tony: "If they never find her guess who spends eternity jail?")

Does this fit in with your theory?

My same thoughts....maybe KC did have a 'plan 2'......

OOPS !! I'm in jail......it's time to find the 'kidnapped remains'....let's see, nanny has keys to the house, car (??), knows where we live....etc.etc.