Possible Significance of the Neighbors Names?

[BondJamesBond]

I was listening to something the other day, it may have been RD's audio interview (but don't hold me to that) and "whoever" it was was saying that KC told them she took Caylee to JBP (where Z and sister S took Caylee from her) at around 2pm! So now we have another time---2pm. Good Lord, which is it!!!! She can't keep her lies straight. She needs a notebook like the rents have. moo

Yes, that'd be the 2nd story she told RD. With the 1st story being her handwritten statement 'bout Sawgrass.

"Two hours passed and around 7:00 PM, I left the apartment and headed to familiar places that Zenaida would go with Caylee. One of Caylee’s favorite places is Jay Blanchard Park. "​

There's a 3rd, albeit objective - how novel - story told by the pings Story 1 & 2 collide @ JBP...with story 3 (pings) not entirely ruling a brief stop over @ JBP out of the question...before showing up around Tony's apt. ~6PM.

Then...when we look @ a corrected, objective timeline we see that within 4 hours of when Casey left G&C's that she did what any other worried mother of a missing 2 year old would be expected to do...she went to Blockbuster w/ her boyfriend, Tony. And based on the titles rented she wasn't exactly searching in the children's/family section either.

The objective evidence (e.g. cell records, pings & Blockbuster surveil video, etc.) so immediately & thoroughly betray Casey's versions of what happened that day.

 

[seagull65]

Maybe, maybe not.

BOTH names are as common as dirt, wherever there is a large Hispanic population.

I work with a nurse named ZG. She's never heard of the case.


The remains, IIRC, were not found on the property line between the two houses. They were found across the street. The property where the remains were found belongs to a guy who lives out of state, IIRC, and was briefly questioned months ago.

(bold mine)

That's an interesting coincidence that you work with someone named ZG.

I used to live in Tampa and never met anyone with that first name. Obviously there are some, but it's just interesting that both someone with the name Z and someone with the name G lived in the two houses that back right up to the remains, the two closest houses.

The idea that many people discussed on our original WS thread on the topic way back when is that if you follow the property line between the two corner houses (4701 and 4709) and extend that line into the unoccupied lot behind them, that's where the remains were.

Here are some pictures from zillow.com and whitepages.com. If the zillow link doesn't go directly to the picture showing how 4701 and 4709 Hopespring Dr are adjacent to the remains site, you can just re-enter the address to see various views there. Of course everyone can go directly to Zillow.com and whitepages.com to easily verify this information for themselves and to look at different views.

At whitepages.com you can use the "reverse lookup" feature and enter the addresses 4701 Hopespring Dr and 4709 Hopespring Dr, Orlando FL, to find the G and Z names at those addresses.

The tax map is just a good general map for seeing all the house numbers at once and where everything is. On the current tax records, the owner of 4701 has returned to her previous surname. Z is not the owner of 4709, but was a resident. (There is another house on Hopespring owned by a different G, across the street and a few houses down from these houses, at 4758.)

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/birds-eye-view-map/46119062_zpid/#birds-eye-view
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4701+Hopespring+Dr+&where=Orlando+Fl
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=4709+Hopespring+Dr+&where=Orlando+Fl
Tax map http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap2/default.aspx
http://or.occompt.com/recorder/eagleweb/viewDoc.jsp?exnode=19990304040

The last link is for the deed that shows when the current owner of 4701 was still using the G surname. (If the link doesn't work to see the past deeds it's because you have to click on "I acknowledge" on their site to view the previous sales/deed transfers. When you're on the Tax map, click on "search by address", enter 4701 Hopespring Dr, then click on the Parcel ID number which is in red, and click "I acknowledge" to view past sales.)

 

[seagull65]

I mean at the beginning KC told lies but to keep them going and going and then all these weird witnesses that seem to volunteer information but then change it - it's just weird. Peeps who won't cooperate and tell stories from way back when and then the baby is actually found around the area - weird. Just say'n.

I agree, Woe.be.gone! Very weird.

 

[seagull65]

Yeah...rarely are NG's BOMBSHELLS actually bombshells...we usually have discussed that information waaaaaaaaaaay before she gets around to it! And you should have been here at the very beginning. Somewhere are lists and lists and lists of threads from the start with theories and sleuthing like you wouldn't not believe!! That's when I became addicted.

me too, TO, it was incredible.

 

[seagull65]

I really wish I had found WS earlier, but at least I found you all! This has now become my hobby, much to the dislike of hubby. Although I admire NG for bringing these cases to the attention of many, I felt the coverage was inadequate for my need for more info. I appreciate the opportunity to be involved in the sleuthing process, and humbled by the talents, knowlege, and passion of a shared interest of justice for Caylee!

Welcome, Milliac!

 

[seagull65]

(on the tax map if you enter the name of the street only, with no number, you'll get a list of current owners for all houses on the street. Then you can click on the parcel ID number for any of those to see past deeds/owners.) http://paarcgis.ocpafl.org/Webmap2/default.aspx

 

[seagull65]

The coincidence that the body was there "close to home" near the Z and G homes seems so much like a hint from Casey to the Anthonys of where the body was to be found.

Then, there's the story, yet to be confirmed, that Casey and Annie used the name of ZFG during a traffic ticket stop. There's even been rumor of whether a fake ID with ZFG name was taken from Casey's wallet by LE the night of JUly 16th.

Then, there's the strange connection of a real ZG applying for an apt to rent at Sawgrass Apts - and how Casey could've gotten that info.

I think I heard ZFG got a tattoo at the same place Casey got her tattoo.

Yet, I know liars often just weave names and made-up info into their lies. Liars seem to work on their lies in their twisted minds on an ongoing basis, and when its time they come up with a somewhat believeable story that once examined doesn't make that much sense.

Diabolical lies and pre-meditation; or did Casey just a throw out names and confusing info she thought would lead no where to thwart everybody figuring out the truth?

and add to that that Rev Grund said Casey told him about this ZFG back when Caylee was a baby, two years before....

and add to that that KMTC contacts LE as soon as the story breaks and says about her supposed friend that if she had needed to dispose of a body, it would be somewhere near the school yard where they used to play when they were 13! And add to that, that it turned out to be true! Add to that that KMTC then changed her story about when she last spoke to Casey (and heard Caylee).

It's just so much weirdness.

The whole theory about Casey's conversation with Lee in prison, that she was using a kind of patter, working words in to clue Lee in to the location of the body --when you listen to the conversation, you can just about believe it. Because she uses so many words that aren't necessary and some of them do seem like they could be hinting at the location, it's near home, hinting about the T junction of the street (where Hopespring meets Suburban), and then the clue about the Z - G houses there on the corner, etc. But if that's the case, why would she have mentioned these same names to Rev.Grund when Caylee was a baby? And why would KMTC mention this area, and turn out to be so accurate? So many puzzling things to this case. It's like it goes round and round. :crosseyed: woh, I'm getting dizzy
Have a good night you guys!

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

The names of the nearby property owners, Zanny at Sawgrass, the house numbers correlating with the time she claimed she dropped Caylee off with Zanny, the Timer password and so many more I can't remember now ~ Aren't these just too many coincidences in one case? Maybe we should start a thread to list all of the coincidences and try to figure out why there are so many. Maybe it would shed a light on whether they are really chances of fate or . . . (theme from Jaws here) . . . something more.

 

[Pondering Mind]

and add to that that Rev Grund said Casey told him about this ZFG back when Caylee was a baby, two years before....

and add to that that KMTC contacts LE as soon as the story breaks and says about her supposed friend that if she had needed to dispose of a body, it would be somewhere near the school yard where they used to play when they were 13! And add to that, that it turned out to be true! Add to that that KMTC then changed her story about when she last spoke to Casey (and heard Caylee).

It's just so much weirdness.

The whole theory about Casey's conversation with Lee in prison, that she was using a kind of patter, working words in to clue Lee in to the location of the body --when you listen to the conversation, you can just about believe it. Because she uses so many words that aren't necessary and some of them do seem like they could be hinting at the location, it's near home, hinting about the T junction of the street (where Hopespring meets Suburban), and then the clue about the Z - G houses there on the corner, etc. But if that's the case, why would she have mentioned these same names to Rev.Grund when Caylee was a baby? And why would KMTC mention this area, and turn out to be so accurate? So many puzzling things to this case. It's like it goes round and round. :crosseyed: woh, I'm getting dizzy
Have a good night you guys!

bbm~

I don't remember hearing that RG said KC talked about this ZFG (not sure which one you mean ) I remember him saying something about hearing of a Zeneida or Zanny. But it's MO that KC just used that has a made up name...after all Cindy said she had heard the Z name before too.

 

[BAHD]

The names of the nearby property owners, Zanny at Sawgrass, the house numbers correlating with the time she claimed she dropped Caylee off with Zanny, the Timer password and so many more I can't remember now ~ Aren't these just too many coincidences in one case? Maybe we should start a thread to list all of the coincidences and try to figure out why there are so many. Maybe it would shed a light on whether they are really chances of fate or . . . (theme from Jaws here) . . . something more.

Another coincidence I think would be that in the text messages released in a recent doc dump, there are a couple of texts about spinning at a house party at 417 n 50. If I'm not mistaken it looks to me like where those streets meet is at JBP.


05/03/08 My buddy is spinning at a house party at 417 n 50
Its on 50 and 417. Wills friend is spinning. Plus i think he knows where the other party is

Here are some other texts that I find interesting.
Some are dated and some aren't. Does anyone know which mike this is?

05/25/08 04:57:18 Hey if you guys dont have 2 wrk tom magic mike is going 2b spinning at house of blues tonight im just spreding the wrd
03:51:51 How is everything commg? I still have to go get mike and aaron wants me to call lum when i get There
Hey Mike, what are you up to this weekend?
Sigh. Now i have to work up the guts to text mike...Or i could be good and get stuff done tom
Hells yeah! So i texted mike. Ill send you what i sent him. If this doesnt work out un done. Im not chasing him for two months like wayne
I dunno dude. Im just here. Waiting for rick or mike. Waiting for boys
Me too. And totally done with mike. He never texted back!
Tell me not to be a stupid girl and text mike. I need to give up on that
Ok. Im going to send you what i am going to send Mike
Dude. Mike just called.
I did! Your friends are cool. Sigh... Still trying to decide if 1 should try calling mike again
So finally found a girl to ask about mike. Major player. So im done with that ****
You know a good thing about this mike situation is i do not have time for a
new group of friends
So last night mike called at like 3am and was like i had a bad night come over. I was im sleeping. He argued a bit then finally gave up. It was
funny. He really expected me to go!
Leaving in a sec. Mike is here hitting on a blonde at the bar. Im waiting for a
kid in taking home.
Painful without cigs. Im glad you got some closure tho. Are you ok?
Icky. Its funny, ill work from 6pm to midnight.
Just let me know when. Ill make sure im showered and stuff before noon so i can head out whenever.
Dude i am so hoping mike calls tonight so i can be like what strike out with
the blonde?

 

[seagull65]

bbm~

I don't remember hearing that RG said KC talked about this ZFG (not sure which one you mean ) I remember him saying something about hearing of a Zeneida or Zanny. But it's MO that KC just used that has a made up name...after all Cindy said she had heard the Z name before too.

(By this ZG I mean the same names as she mentioned to Rev G, same names connected to these two houses on the corner where the remains were found. )
IIRC Rev Grund said when he asked Casey if she'd made other arrangements for Caylee yet, she went into what he said seemed to him like "too much information" about the nanny ZFG, and how it was such a perfect arrangement because the nanny also sits for her friend's son and so on. But it's been a long time since I've listened to his interviews.
Yes, very possible she just made up the name back then. But that's what would be so weird about her choosing those particular names for fake names way back then, since the body was found behind the houses of people with those names all this time later.

 

[Muzikman]

(By this ZG I mean the same names as she mentioned to Rev G, same names connected to these two houses on the corner where the remains were found. )
IIRC Rev Grund said when he asked Casey if she'd made other arrangements for Caylee yet, she went into what he said seemed to him like "too much information" about the nanny ZFG, and how it was such a perfect arrangement because the nanny also sits for her friend's son and so on. But it's been a long time since I've listened to his interviews.
Yes, very possible she just made up the name back then. But that's what would be so weird about her choosing those particular names for fake names way back then, since the body was found behind the houses of people with those names all this time later.

Maybe she chose Zenaida because because it was unusual and easy for her to remember? It is not a common name for us Anglo's.

I lived for several years in Miami before moving to Central FL, and I don't recall ever hearing Z.

My thought, FWIW.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

(By this ZG I mean the same names as she mentioned to Rev G, same names connected to these two houses on the corner where the remains were found. )
IIRC Rev Grund said when he asked Casey if she'd made other arrangements for Caylee yet, she went into what he said seemed to him like "too much information" about the nanny ZFG, and how it was such a perfect arrangement because the nanny also sits for her friend's son and so on. But it's been a long time since I've listened to his interviews.
Yes, very possible she just made up the name back then. But that's what would be so weird about her choosing those particular names for fake names way back then, since the body was found behind the houses of people with those names all this time later.

Per this link: http://www.docstoc.com/docs/5556906/Casey-Anthony-Richard-Grund-Transcript beginning at the middle of page 7 RG talks about the time period Mar, Apr and part of May of 2006. The exact name he quoted was "Zenaida Gonzalez" as to the person Casey said she had found to watch Caylee (along with Zachery, etc, etc, etc).

So yeah, I understand your point. That seems like too much detailed planning waaaaaay to far in advance for Casey to have accomplished. Remember, she's our 10-minute-at-a-time girl. Too, too many coincidences though!

 

[Brini]

Maybe she chose Zenaida because because it was unusual and easy for her to remember? It is not a common name for us Anglo's.

I lived for several years in Miami before moving to Central FL, and I don't recall ever hearing Z.

My thought, FWIW.

We have a passel of Zanaidas here. But, it may be a more popular name in Mexico than it is in Cuba.

 

[GiantPickle]

Why would Casey want them to find the body though? So they could move it? Why not just move it to a "better" place herself in the first place?

I know this is an ancient post but I truly feel she wanted the body found because she had staged a kidnapping - finding the body with all the duct tape would support her kidnapping story. Just like a scene from a movie.

 

[lisasalinger]

I know this is an ancient post but I truly feel she wanted the body found because she had staged a kidnapping - finding the body with all the duct tape would support her kidnapping story. Just like a scene from a movie.

I tend to agree with you on the staged kidnapping. I also have a theory that she planted evidence with the body that unfortunately was ruined in the 6 mos. it was outside. Possibly from her parents, Jesse or maybe even Ricardo.

 

[martea]

My thinking on the name of the "nanny" was that Casey had used "Zanny the Nanny" because she was giving Caylee Xanax, and she thought she was being really clever. When she needed a real name, she somehow saw the ZFG name and used it. ZFG said she could have seen it at a nearby apartment building or something like that. Don't remember the specifics. Will probably come out in the civil case against Casey.

 

[Italy]

Don't know about the Zenaida part (probably Xanax as others have posted)

Fernando Gonzalez is a professional tennis player.