Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert

[MrsPC]

thinking more tonight about Gilbert's condition that night...

described in the 911 call as incoherent, and described by others as possibly intoxicated, Pak stating she fell down the steps, and Coletti stating she even fell down the steps when leaving his home...I think it's possible she passed out shortly after....I just can't see her getting too far of her own accord if she was in that bad shape.

 

[goathairjones]

thinking more tonight about Gilbert's condition that night...

described in the 911 call as incoherent, and described by others as possibly intoxicated, Pak stating she fell down the steps, and Coletti stating she even fell down the steps when leaving his home...I think it's possible she passed out shortly after....I just can't see her getting too far of her own accord if she was in that bad shape.

I just don't understand how they lost her. MP was in pursuit. Neighbors heard the commotion and surely looked out their windows. I don't get it. I know it's not your typical neighborhood with house after house, but I think someone must have seen something that we have not heard about yet.

I think we will hear it as rumor coming out of the Oak Beach community first. But so far it seems like nobody is talking.

 

[KAYTOM]

I just don't understand how they lost her. MP was in pursuit. Neighbors heard the commotion and surely looked out their windows. I don't get it.

There's a lot of trees in that area. I think she might have cut through a few wooded areas when she ran from GC's boat to Anchor Way. The car has the speed, but it doesn't have the night or backyards. I think your right about witnesses. It was early, but it sounds like there was a fair amount of commotion to wake people up.

Kinda makes you wonder if she stumbled across something she shouldn't have in someone's backyard. I've often thought that if she was linked to the SK that he might have went after SG because he felt he had no choice.

 

[MrsPC]

I don't agree, MrsPC. Think about how all of the other girls were acquired. The SK goes and picks them up. SG was delivered to JB. The SK would never even consider that. JB didn't do it.

I really feel that the SK lives in Oak Beach. I get this weird vision when I think about it. I see him driving north over the Robert Moses Causeway bridge with SG in the car. She is either knocked unconscious or dead. And as he is driving north, he sees the SCPD responding southbound toward Oak Beach. And all he can do is laugh that it took so long for the SCPD to respond.

He takes her to his place of business. It is located in an industrial park close by. Maybe Bay Shore, Deer Park or Hauppauge. He is the owner of the business and he opens the garage door and pulls the car inside. He then does his sick little deed and prepares the body for disposal. Except this body can never be found. Things got too out-of-hand in Oak Beach. But as long as they can't find a body, they can't get him for the crime. I feel he either dismembers her or disposed of her at sea.

I hope I am wrong about this. I hope SG is still alive. But this is the vision I get when I think about all of the facts of the crime and just play it through in my head.

I'm still very curious if police actually spoke to Brewer last May when they responded to the 911 calls...

 

[MrsPC]

to Goathairjones...revisiting that same post of yours....

how would the killer know things got out of hand in Oak Beach unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert?

how would the killer know it took a long time for SCPD to respond unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert and was aware of the 911 calls?

 

[Just K]

to Goathairjones...revisiting that same post of yours....

how would the killer know things got out of hand in Oak Beach unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert?

how would the killer know it took a long time for SCPD to respond unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert and was aware of the 911 calls?

He has a police scanner?

 

[goathairjones]

to Goathairjones...revisiting that same post of yours....

how would the killer know things got out of hand in Oak Beach unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert?

how would the killer know it took a long time for SCPD to respond unless he was with Brewer/Gilbert and was aware of the 911 calls?

MrsPC,

Good questions. My guess is he may have been the one to supply the drugs to JB and he knew what he was giving her and figured he could retrieve her with less commotion then SG created by running through the neighborhood screaming.

As far as the police question is concerned, if he is a resident of Oak Beach he knows that Oak Beach has no police presence at night and it would take a while for them to get there from the mainland. Yes, and he probably has a scanner and can monitor the SCPD dispatch.

 

[goathairjones]

I think it's almost certain that SK was taken from Oak Beach in a vehicle before the K-9 unit arrived at 9AM. Otherwise the K-9 unit would have tracked her to a house or some other location. I really think SG's killer lived in or was staying in Oak Beach at the time she went missing.

 

[MrsPC]

http://www.longislandexchange.com/articles/news/gilgobeachinvestigationupdate-050611.html

 

[MrsPC]

He has a police scanner?

and he just happens to be listening to the scanner at 5 o'clock in the morning?

doesn't sound likely IMO

 

[crimesnooper]

I think a scanner is very likely, no matter who the SK turns out to be. As as far as listening at 5 am..well two things..as one gets older, sleep is not what it used to be ie..up early,can't sleep. Also true if one has been drinking but has not passed out

 

[MrsPC]

I think it's almost certain that SK was taken from Oak Beach in a vehicle before the K-9 unit arrived at 9AM. Otherwise the K-9 unit would have tracked her to a house or some other location. I really think SG's killer lived in or was staying in Oak Beach at the time she went missing.

is there a link for the report about the K-9 arriving at Oak Beach May 2010 at 9am? I read somewhere where they did have a helicopter fly over the area at that time but didn't see anything.

 

[KAYTOM]

I think it's almost certain that SK was taken from Oak Beach in a vehicle before the K-9 unit arrived at 9AM. Otherwise the K-9 unit would have tracked her to a house or some other location. I really think SG's killer lived in or was staying in Oak Beach at the time she went missing.

You have any idea where a source is that talks about the K-9 coming that day? I remember reading that too somewhere but haven't been able to find it.

It still puzzles me that the Dogs lost her scent. I always thought that the scent could only really be lost if the person went into the water. From what I have read, dogs smell in layers and it is next to impossible to loose the smell. I wish I knew where they lost her scent.

 

[Redbird]

Reports about LE's initial search are vague and IMO not that reliable as they were in CYA mode.

 

[bodhi93]

I have read so little about him its hard to discuss it. Apparently there was somebody staying with JB that night. He, unlike JB, managed to keep his name from the media. All I recall about him is that he was known to hire prostitutes, he was said by his mother (or was it JB's Mother) that he was now in Georgia and the article that mentioned him assigned him the name "drifter".

The name "drifter" suggest he wasn't a Long time LI resident. If so, he probably wasn't the SK who is responsible for the Gilgo Beach 4.

I wonder the drifter found Shannan on the run, and took her with him to Georgia... maybe that was the sound of her being dragged into a vehicle... just some random thoughts...

 

[goathairjones]

You have any idea where a source is that talks about the K-9 coming that day? I remember reading that too somewhere but haven't been able to find it.

It still puzzles me that the Dogs lost her scent. I always thought that the scent could only really be lost if the person went into the water. From what I have read, dogs smell in layers and it is next to impossible to loose the smell. I wish I knew where they lost her scent.

Kaytom and MrsPC,

I didn't get it from a MSM article. I got it from a message board called The Schwartz Report:

So the woman calls 911 supposedly unintelligeable, and uncertain of where she was. the dispatchers request approval of the duty officer to locate her by satellite. he approves and within 15 minutes they've managed to find her cell coming from oak beach. Now 20-25 minutes into the call the disptacher sends the call to the marine unit. the marine unit is on land and has to travel to their boat to go to oak beach. they do so, and land get into their car on the beach and drive to the location. total travel time probably 15-20 minutes. After searching they notify their sgt who requests k-9 and aviation, they show up at the beginning of next tour, after the dept (not sure whom) denies the overtime request. That is the system in place in suffolk county. The marine unit has requested additional resources. The pba has requested additional officers, the residents have requested additional patrol.

for all you guys who go on and on about scpd and how easy we have it, and how proud you are of levy for how hes crippled the dept, how hes messing with us, got us on the run, etc etc. here you go. You might live in a nice area, or an area with low crime or 911 calls. You just wont get the service you are paying for.

Here is a link to the message board:

http://www.theschwartzreport.com/vb/archive/index.php/t-18519.html

 

[MrsPC]

thx Goathairjones for the link...

so according to some of the posts there, it took 45 min for police to actually arrive at Oak Beach (approx 6:00am)...they requested K-9 & helicopter from their supervisor but request was denied til the next shift came in 3 to 4 hours later.

I still wish I knew when exactly they first spoke to Brewer and to Pak. I'd like to know how/when police determined that Brewer was her client.

 

[MrsPC]

Gilbert's disappearance is extremely baffling to me...

I mean, it was a gated community with only 1 way in/out. If police arrived there approx 6am, surely they inspected any vehicles that may have entered or exited the gate til the K-9 showed up 3 to 4 hours later. And if the K-9 couldn't find Gilbert or track her scent...IMO, that most likely means Gilbert left the area *before* police actually arrived.

edited to add ---
and what exactly did law enforcement use of Gilbert's to scent the dog???

 

[KAYTOM]

Gilbert's disappearance is extremely baffling to me...

I mean, it was a gated community with only 1 way in/out. If police arrived there approx 6am, surely they inspected any vehicles that may have entered or exited the gate til the K-9 showed up 3 to 4 hours later. And if the K-9 couldn't find Gilbert or track her scent...IMO, that most likely means Gilbert left the area *before* police actually arrived.

edited to add ---
and what exactly did law enforcement use of Gilbert's to scent the dog???

Thats what I was thinking. I also wonder if anyone saw anyone taking a boat out that morning. That seems like the best option if you don't want anyone to find the body and don't want to be on the gate camera coming and going a few hours apart.

From what I gathered, She calls at 4:51 and is on the phone for 23 minutes.
Something happened at about 5:15 and police get there 45 minutes later from the call time at 5:40. The driver states he drove around till shortly before 6 am when he left. I still don't know if he talked to the police or left before they got there. I've heard opposing things on that.

Apparently, she was last seen on Galley E st. But I've also read somewhere that PH saw her running looking "sick and distressed". Galley E. is logical and would be a good place to shake off people following you. Its the only real substantial fork on the half of the neighborhood. If neighbors found her footprints in the sand she might have hit the beach and ran along it knowing that cars won't have great access to it.

Another thing I find interesting about the beachfront of that neighborhood is that the island curves enough to provide a view from the backyards of all the dumping locations.

 

[goathairjones]

thx Goathairjones for the link...

so according to some of the posts there, it took 45 min for police to actually arrive at Oak Beach (approx 6:00am)...they requested K-9 & helicopter from their supervisor but request was denied til the next shift came in 3 to 4 hours later.

I still wish I knew when exactly they first spoke to Brewer and to Pak. I'd like to know how/when police determined that Brewer was her client.

Yeah I would really love to know what happened that morning.