Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[pocketaccent]

Congratulations on your soon-to-be grandparenthood, Neenee!

I think you're correct in much of your sequence, I've found it easier to piece together by comparing what she didn't know to what she did, like the text to CH and the floor cleaning - didn't know the text happened so never mentioned it but threw in the 1:00 p.m. because it was on the pics, didn't know anything about the floor cleaning except seeing the cleaner out and furniture off the tile so only barely skimmed the subject when talking to Flores.

I so wish JM had nailed her on both while she was on the stand, and made her make up more lies that he could expose, but I suppose he felt he had enough. I really wanted to see the exif data on the pics, JM didn't need it because it proves she was consensual about the sex, and the defense didn't need it because it made her a welcome visitor, neither side wanted the pics kept out of evidence but we who are picking apart every single lie need and want it (we're so greedy lol).

Oh - WM, in my 11:42 p.m. post last night, I reread it just now and it seems like I was telling you to "read the report", I meant that "I" had read the report, sorry if that sounded harsh, I didn't mean it that way. :blushing:

Yes Martinez basically chose which lies he felt were worth presented in court and worth picking apart. He kept it pretty simple although it doesn't seem that way because of the way he directed all his attention on proving premeditation and at the same time discrediting Jodi's credibility. Martinez absolutely did not fight for the correct timeline on June 4. He just went with Jodi's story which is already based on the time stamp on the pictures. He also never went into the total gas purchased vs total gas need for the trip, or total miles she drove vs total miles that would be necessary for the trip, etc. I was hoping he would, but he chose not to as he thought they were unnecessary.

Jodi during her 4 years in jail, concocted a storyline that would be palatable to her adoring audiences based on what Flores, Laviolette, Samuels, Nurmi and Wilmott told her. Some lies were good enough, some were laughable.
I do not believe her story at all unless Martinez showed us otherwise or there is actual evidence such as phone record, written record, reliable witness, etc.

 

[wasnt_me]

Zach had car troubles earlier that week and needed jumper cables (stated in the first interview), then during the follow up interview he told Flores he returned the rental car on Wed. because his car was in for repairs from an accident. Both the roommates seemed to have memory issues of that week, maybe why netiher testified?

Oh, and yes, Dan Freeman was the one who called JA the night Travis was found. Saw that in the report too. lol

ETA: Zach's follow up interview on page 17:

http://www.wildabouttrial.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/Detective-Flores-Investigation-Report.pdf

Yeah, I read it and I posted everything that he and Enrique said up thread. But I don't know how he had a rental car at Travis' house if he said he got up and returned the car before going to the house. I'm believing he was at Mandy's parents house when he "got up and returned the rental car."

 

[wasnt_me]

I'm going to try to break down what Enrique is talking about in his statement.

6-4-08 AM--Enrique claims to have seen Travis in the morning, and Travis had said he had a conference call scheduled for that day. Enrique says that Traivs claims to have only gotten 45 minutes of sleep the previous night.

This coincides with two dates that we know of. On the morning of June 2nd, Travis and Jodi had been up all night with the phone before Jodi had taken off to Redding at 530am.

This also coincides with the morning of June 4th, if Travis had been up all night because of Jodi's arrival.​

6-4-08 PM--Enrique claims that Travis was at home on a conference call when Enrique got home around 6-630pm.

Of course this couldn't have happened on June 4, 2008.​

6-5-08 AM--Enrique claims the morning was "normal." I don't know what his definition of normal is, whether he saw the roommates or not in the "normal" course of the morning.

We can assume that a normal morning means that the furniture is where it should be, there is no floor cleaner in the middle of the room, and the doggie gate is not blocking the stairs.​

6-5-08 PM--claims to arrive home about 6pm. Now the furniture is not where it should be, there is a floor cleaner in the middle of the room, and the doggie gate is blocking the stairs, the front door is locked, Travis' ring and watch are in the kitchen.

I see no good reason for Travis' ring and watch to be in the kitchen unless he was in the middle of cleaning and he removed them after wearing them. I don't know how likely it is that Travis slept in his watch and ring or the likelihood that he'd put them on straight out of the sleep into having sex.

We do know that he isn't wearing the ring in the sex photo where we see him throwing up the peace sign with his right hand. Isn't this the pinkie ring we saw on his right hand in other photos?

Enrique notes that seeing the floor cleaner indicated to him that Travis had finished putting it together. This implies that Enrique had seen Travis in the middle of putting it together or had spoken about doing so. Question: Where's the box it came in? When was it purchased?​

Enrique waits for his girlfriend to arrive, and he says he normally went to Temple that evening. I don't know about LDS, but church services on a Wednesday, are common, so Enrique must be talking about June 4th, not June 5th as he'd indicated.

Zach's June 4, 2008

AM--Zach must have started off at the house of his girl friend's parents.
Afternoon--He claims he stopped in at his house from about 3-4pm, but didn't say what he did during that time at house. He went back to Mandy's parent's house after that and wasn't back till 9pm. He saw no strange cars in the driveway, but he also didn't see Travis, either, apparently.

The only thing I could assign Zach's memory credibility to would be that he had to do unusual things Wednesday. He had the rental car, and he had to clean someone else's house--specifically because those people were returning the next day to said house. So I would speculate that Zach's accurate about what he did that day, since he didn't do normally routine things. Especially since the parents were returning that Thursday.

Zach could be off in his times of being at his house and the length. He could have been there anywhere between 2 to 5pm and could have stayed there anywhere from 30 minutes to an hour a 15 minutes. We don't know. What we do know is he saw the floor cleaner when he was there. We just don't know if he saw it that afternoon or that night when he got home.

Assuming that Temple was at 7 or 730pm (just a guess), Enrique wasn't in the house all that long before leaving again.

I don't know yet if her time frame allows for her to wait Enrique out before she continued her clean up after he'd left again. She could possibly have had knowledge that enrique attended church on Wednesday and would be gone soon.

Geevee,

This quote above is what I wrote a few days ago about what I got from Enrique and Zach's statements.

 

[wasnt_me]

Congratulations on your soon-to-be grandparenthood, Neenee!

I think you're correct in much of your sequence, I've found it easier to piece together by comparing what she didn't know to what she did, like the text to CH and the floor cleaning - didn't know the text happened so never mentioned it but threw in the 1:00 p.m. because it was on the pics, didn't know anything about the floor cleaning except seeing the cleaner out and furniture off the tile so only barely skimmed the subject when talking to Flores.

I so wish JM had nailed her on both while she was on the stand, and made her make up more lies that he could expose, but I suppose he felt he had enough. I really wanted to see the exif data on the pics, JM didn't need it because it proves she was consensual about the sex, and the defense didn't need it because it made her a welcome visitor, neither side wanted the pics kept out of evidence but we who are picking apart every single lie need and want it (we're so greedy lol).

Oh - WM, in my 11:42 p.m. post last night, I reread it just now and it seems like I was telling you to "read the report", I meant that "I" had read the report, sorry if that sounded harsh, I didn't mean it that way. :blushing:

I didn't think it was harsh at all. I was just confused because we'd already been talking about it.

I just was like ???? "doesn't she know I read it already?" I was literally thinking, "We are talking about it in the other thread...." Then I just figured you were being absent-minded, so I reposted my thoughts on what I'd gathered from it.

There's just one thing here in your post above. In JA's interrogation, remember we discussed how she said Travis had the furniture up and in a confused tone, she said, "he was cleaning the floor or something...?"

I don't know that she knew the floor cleaner was in crime scene pictures at that point because no one had let her see the pictures. This is something she actually did know. Just like she volunteered to Flores that TA had been watching the foil head videos.

I wholeheartedly disagree that she was in the house that night with Travis downstairs, but Naps not doing something to indicate to him that someone else was present. Maybe it's just my dogs, but I've had 5 dogs, and they will let you know if someone is in the house.

And don't let it be someone they like but haven't see in a while. They cannot calm down because they're so happy to see the person.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes Martinez basically chose which lies he felt were worth presented in court and worth picking apart. He kept it pretty simple although it doesn't seem that way because of the way he directed all his attention on proving premeditation and at the same time discrediting Jodi's credibility. Martinez absolutely did not fight for the correct timeline on June 4.......

Why do you feel that he absolutely did not fight for the correct timeline?

So are we thinking they were sleeping after sexy time until about 4 pm?

I think that there's something essential that even the great driving murderer cannot do without and it's called sleep. That's why I have no problem believing she actually got to Travis at about 3 or 4am and after discovering that enrique was there, she and Travis probably argued about her showing up (because Zach said that in the past, he'd heard them arguing about her showing up unannounced), she probably begged to stay just to sleep before continuing her trip after giving him whatever BS reason for being there.

She could have said being so close to Mesa after their fight made her want to come there and talk it out before she kept going with her trip. She could have reasoned that he wouldn't answer her calls earlier to give her permission, but she was so close that she just came. We already know she didn't want to put "incriminating" stuff on the voice mail, so it would stand to reason that she'd say she wanted to talk about whatever their issue was in person. They might have talked more and then went to sleep. Jodi had to be tired.

According to the story, she hadn't slept since she'd been at Matt's. She was coming up on 24 hours with no sleep.

I have no problem believing Travis got up about 11 or noon and started working on the floor cleaner while Jodi was sleeping. I have no problem believing he set his ring and watch on the counter in the kitchen while working on the floor cleaner. I have no problem believing he texted Chris while Jodi was asleep, and that's why she didn't know he'd done it. She'd been asleep.

I believe Jodi brought herself downstairs while he was working on the floor cleaner. Maybe she'd showered. God, I hope so after all that driving. I think she then started talking to him about the new camera while he was either cleaning or starting to clean the floor.

In her interview, she said the furniture was off the floor and she couldn't sit on the couch like normal. I believe she then said she went into the office or she had to "chill in the office" because of this. So by the time she woke up, maybe the cleaner was together, and him moving the furniture actually awakened her. When she got downstairs, it was all moved.

In any event, it would make sense that in the office, she found his camera, took it out of the box, left the box on the desk and came in there where he was. She probably then started convincing him to do the sex movie they'd been talking about. It'd be their last time having sex together, she probably told him, so they should do it and do it up big as they'd talked about on the phone. He probably said he'd be upstairs in a minute.

She went up there, sat on the "love sack," opened the camera case, put it down and started "tinkering" with the camera. Maybe between 1 to 130pm they got into the sex, the pictures, the video attempt. Then she had to get her camera for the actual video.

If rope or duct tape was involved, I completely believe it was in an attempt for her to get him tied up, but he didn't want to get tied up.

They could have been doing all that when Zach came home and they had to be "dirty little secret quiet" until he left again. Then that probably killed the sex mood and Travis went to his office and checked email while Jodi packed up to leave. It's very possible that Travis did his own unsuccessful login attempt on the computer. I say that because it happens to me often on my own laptop where I type too fast and it tells me wrong password.

But I'm not married to that particular theory. I can't remember, either, if there's record of a successful login after that. It could also be that she attempted it, failed, and had to get away from the computer because Travis was on the way to the laundry with the sheets when she actually thought he was getting back to cleaning the floors or doing something else.

At that point, Jodi was hanging around, probably trying to figure out how to get him into murder position. I think she does convince him to take the shower pictures. I know Darryl said she just opened the shower and started taking them of him, but Travis and Jodi don't have that kind of relationship anymore, and if he thought she was back on her way to Utah, I can't see him putting up with 12 minutes of pictures from someone who barged in his shower.

And we know the shower door was open on all the pictures because there's no steam, there's no fog on any glass, there's no droplets streaming down the shower door. It's open. I personally can't imagine she had a gun or knife pointed at him for the whole photo shoot, either, so I believe he agreed. Either she hyped him up about Cancun or asked for something to remember his cancun ready body by since they'd never have sex again.

I know we aren't supposed to believe anything Jodi says, but I believe that because she'd already decided to pin it on two strangers, she could afford to tell Flores a few truths about the afternoon before the murder. So it's a good idea to listen to what she says and what she doesn't say during the first time she tells Flores what happened that afternoon.

In the interview, she doesn't say what time she got there. she says, "So I showed up. He was looking at youtube....Napoleon barked because he was so happy to see me....I told him I was tired...I was very exhausted from the trip....I was tired from driving all night....we must of sleep till about one...." Flores asks if it's one afternoon. Jodi said that it must have been around that time.

She says the roommate had been home but must have left while she was asleep. Flores asks her to continue the story. She picks up, saying they had sex a few times. She said once in the office. He looked at pics she'd brought for him. Goes into detail about the computer virus and her broken hard drive. Flores asks for a time, but she doesn't know. And he asks if it was a couple hours later. While agreeing, she launches into "He had been cleaning his house...." so she wasn't on the couch because chairs were on it. She talks about feeding napoleon and not knowing what Travis was doing on the internet. Then she launches into how she thought about doing shower pictures.

Please feel free to pick at the theory, but I'm looking for information that contradicts the evidence as we know it, not theories that involve changing the presented evidence.

 

[geevee]

So are we thinking they were sleeping after sexy time until about 4 pm?

According to Flores and Melendez, there was activity on his laptop at 3:34, 4:19 and 4:54 p.m., so no sleeping after 3:30 at least.

 

[geevee]

Yeah, I read it and I posted everything that he and Enrique said up thread. But I don't know how he had a rental car at Travis' house if he said he got up and returned the car before going to the house. I'm believing he was at Mandy's parents house when he "got up and returned the rental car."

There was something, testimony I believe, that stated the rental was parked in the middle of the driveway and he left around 8:30 a.m. to return it, but dogged if I know where to find it. lol

 

[geevee]

I didn't think it was harsh at all. I was just confused because we'd already been talking about it.

I just was like ???? "doesn't she know I read it already?" I was literally thinking, "We are talking about it in the other thread...." Then I just figured you were being absent-minded, so I reposted my thoughts on what I'd gathered from it.

There's just one thing here in your post above. In JA's interrogation, remember we discussed how she said Travis had the furniture up and in a confused tone, she said, "he was cleaning the floor or something...?"

I don't know that she knew the floor cleaner was in crime scene pictures at that point because no one had let her see the pictures. This is something she actually did know. Just like she volunteered to Flores that TA had been watching the foil head videos.

I wholeheartedly disagree that she was in the house that night with Travis downstairs, but Naps not doing something to indicate to him that someone else was present. Maybe it's just my dogs, but I've had 5 dogs, and they will let you know if someone is in the house.

And don't let it be someone they like but haven't see in a while. They cannot calm down because they're so happy to see the person.

Yeah, I was being absent-minded, sorry. :blushing:

I don't think she was inside without Naps knowing either, not for 45 minutes or 45 seconds, she did all that hand-twirling Naps wagging his tail and spinning crap in the interrogation but I don't think so.

Also, the way she brushed off Travis' floor cleaning in the interrogation, saying normally when she came over and no one was home she'd crash out on the couch but furniture was on it...and said no one about it, I don't think she was there when Travis put the cleaner together or moved the furniture, only saw it when she went upstairs. That was the impression I was left with after that part of the interrogation anyways.

I'm not usually so absent minded, but have been paying a lot of attention to a missing person case and there's been loads to read lately, has had my mind distracted pretty good.

Plus I'm going to install Win 7 tomorrow morning (disc and ram finally came yesterday, got the ram installed successfully today (yay me lol), have been also doing some studying on the install procedures. If you don't see me for a day or so you'll know my net connection didn't come back up (or other problem developed) and I'll be working to solve it. Then I have to get used to Win 7, oh joy. :scared:

 

[pocketaccent]

Why do you feel that he absolutely did not fight for the correct timeline?

Martinez just accepted Jodi's timeline of June 4 as any other lies she told. For example he could have asked her 'Well ma'am, how could Mr Alexander be still sleeping if he answered his phone on 12:13pm?', but didn't. He could have brought in roommates to dispute her timeline but didn't. Martinez knew that the only person who knew what time and how it happened on that day is Jodi and she always lies.

In his mind, premeditation was there whether she got inside the house at 4 am or 11am with or without Travis's knowledge.
To believe what she said happened on that day, you'd have to believe all the lies she told, specifically the gas can! is what he said in his closing. I loved that part.

 

[wasnt_me]

Yeah, I was being absent-minded, sorry. :blushing:

I don't think she was inside without Naps knowing either, not for 45 minutes or 45 seconds, she did all that hand-twirling Naps wagging his tail and spinning crap in the interrogation but I don't think so.

Also, the way she brushed off Travis' floor cleaning in the interrogation, saying normally when she came over and no one was home she'd crash out on the couch but furniture was on it...and said no one about it, I don't think she was there when Travis put the cleaner together or moved the furniture, only saw it when she went upstairs. That was the impression I was left with after that part of the interrogation anyways.

I'm not usually so absent minded, but have been paying a lot of attention to a missing person case and there's been loads to read lately, has had my mind distracted pretty good.

Plus I'm going to install Win 7 tomorrow morning (disc and ram finally came yesterday, got the ram installed successfully today (yay me lol), have been also doing some studying on the install procedures. If you don't see me for a day or so you'll know my net connection didn't come back up (or other problem developed) and I'll be working to solve it. Then I have to get used to Win 7, oh joy. :scared:

That's funny you wrote that about the floor cleaner. I was just editing an earlier post of mine and was discussing it. You probably didn't see it because the edit turned into a LONG DRAWN OUT theory of mine which took me forever to finally submit. So you might scroll back up to look at it.

I can see why you think that about the floor cleaner. But no one told her that he was watching youtube, and she says he was during that first interrogation when she was in the orange jumpsuit and we already decided that she probably couldn't see the laptop from his office window. So she had to be in the house, which means Naps heard her, saw her, and greeted her, causing Travis to become aware of her.

 

[wasnt_me]

Martinez just accepted Jodi's timeline of June 4 as any other lies she told. For example he could have asked her 'Well ma'am, how could Mr Alexander be still sleeping if he answered his phone on 12:13pm?', but didn't. He could have brought in roommates to dispute her timeline but didn't. Martinez knew that the only person who knew what time and how it happened on that day is Jodi and she always lies.

In his mind, premeditation was there whether she got inside the house at 4 am or 11am with or without Travis's knowledge.
To believe what she said happened on that day, you'd have to believe all the lies she told, specifically the gas can! is what he said in his closing. I loved that part.

He also said in closing that her sister or brother "supposedly" took her to pick up the rental car--as if he didn't believe that either.

My guess about why he didn't use the roommates is because their stories weren't straight right off the bat. They couldn't even remember what had happened a week prior to finding the body with any certainty, and I personally doubt that they got it 100% right in their follow up interviews. Had Flores and co. pursued the roommates more, then maybe he could have used them; however, if their June 2008 interviews are the only other thing he has, Nurmi would have ripped the roommates to shreds and had the jury believing one of them was involved. We already had a juror question pertaining to them not understanding the roommates not knowing for so long, right? I could imagine how Nurmi would have had those two looking to the jury has he questions them over when they'd done laundry, when they'd come home and how they were just either oblivious as hell or involved.

I don't think you can dispute whether Jodi would know Travis was sleeping or not when she was sleeping. She actually cannot say what he was doing when she was sleeping. If she claims to have awakened at 1pm, she cannot know if Travis answered a text and got back in the bed. Not that I believe her story, I'm just saying he can't disprove that, which is different from him absolutely not fighting for the correct timeline.

Is there another instance that could be proved that he let slide?

 

[wasnt_me]

There was something, testimony I believe, that stated the rental was parked in the middle of the driveway and he left around 8:30 a.m. to return it, but dogged if I know where to find it. lol

I'm editing this from my previous answer. In summary, before this, I was asking you who in the world testified to that because only Jodi, Zach, and Enrique could. I said I felt that if it was Jodi, she was embellishing from after seeing the police report and assuming Zach had left from Travis' with the rental car.

I went back and looked it up because I just had to know. Turns out, On day 19, Jodi testified that when she got there, she parked her rental car in the center of the driveway. There was no mention of 830am--so far. (I'm at 1:43:11 on the trial video.)

Oh, and she says she entered through side because she no longer had key to front door and Travis locks front door at night. What the heck sense does it make to lock the front door but not the side door at night? How many criminals will use the front door versus side door at night?

 

[geevee]

That's funny you wrote that about the floor cleaner. I was just editing an earlier post of mine and was discussing it. You probably didn't see it because the edit turned into a LONG DRAWN OUT theory of mine which took me forever to finally submit. So you might scroll back up to look at it.

I can see why you think that about the floor cleaner. But no one told her that he was watching youtube, and she says he was during that first interrogation when she was in the orange jumpsuit and we already decided that she probably couldn't see the laptop from his office window. So she had to be in the house, which means Naps heard her, saw her, and greeted her, causing Travis to become aware of her.

LOL You're right, I didn't see it, and would love to help work it out with evidence rather than theory, it's about my bedtime but once I get online tomorrow I will attend to it first. I love a good long post full of details [in my best Flores voice]. See you on the nonce.

 

[pocketaccent]

He also said in closing that her sister or brother "supposedly" took her to pick up the rental car--as if he didn't believe that either.

My guess about why he didn't use the roommates is because their stories weren't straight right off the bat. They couldn't even remember what had happened a week prior to finding the body with any certainty, and I personally doubt that they got it 100% right in their follow up interviews. Had Flores and co. pursued the roommates more, then maybe he could have used them; however, if their June 2008 interviews are the only other thing he has, Nurmi would have ripped the roommates to shreds and had the jury believing one of them was involved. We already had a juror question pertaining to them not understanding the roommates not knowing for so long, right? I could imagine how Nurmi would have had those two looking to the jury has he questions them over when they'd done laundry, when they'd come home and how they were just either oblivious as hell or involved.

I don't think you can dispute whether Jodi would know Travis was sleeping or not when she was sleeping. She actually cannot say what he was doing when she was sleeping. If she claims to have awakened at 1pm, she cannot know if Travis answered a text and got back in the bed. Not that I believe her story, I'm just saying he can't disprove that, which is different from him absolutely not fighting for the correct timeline.

Is there another instance that could be proved that he let slide?

During direct, Jodi testified she woke up around 12, 12:30 and Travis was still sleeping. She was with Nap on bed, Travis snoring lightly by her(yea right, she remembers all that details). Then Travis woke up at 1 pm. Then brushed his teeth,..............
If Martinez chose to do so, he could have her read the transcript, showed her the phone record, & grilled her about that timeline.

He accepted all other timelines as told by Jodi and even used her lies to his advantage. ie) Martinez closing : "He threw the cds because he gets mad at everything. Then she had to have sex to calm him down. But why did she bring the cds if she wasn't coming to Mesa? Why?..."

 

[wasnt_me]

LOL You're right, I didn't see it, and would love to help work it out with evidence rather than theory, it's about my bedtime but once I get online tomorrow I will attend to it first. I love a good long post full of details [in my best Flores voice]. See you on the nonce.

I did it again. I'm notorious for editing my posts several minutes after I write them. I just edited my one I wrote right before you posted this one.

 

[wasnt_me]

During direct, Jodi testified she woke up around 12, 12:30 and Travis was still sleeping. She was with Nap on bed, Travis snoring lightly by her(yea right, she remembers all that details). Then Travis woke up at 1 pm. Then brushed his teeth,..............
If Martinez chose to do so, he could have her read the transcript, showed her the phone record, & grilled her about that timeline.

He accepted all other timelines as told by Jodi and even used her lies to his advantage. ie) Martinez closing : "He threw the cds because he gets mad at everything. Then she had to have sex to calm him down. But why did she bring the cds if she wasn't coming to Mesa? Why?..."

She could have said that she must have awakened at 1230 or 1240pm and not have realized Travis had done this seven to seventeen minutes beforehand.

She'd also said in the interrogation that they'd awakened about 1pm. Nurmi could have pointed that out on redirect, and it becomes a mistake over a very small estimate of time about an event with no bearing on the killing.

I hope I don't see argumentative, but I really want to know the answers to what I'll never know, which is what the hell happened that afternoon. So besides this unprovable thing, what indicates that JM didn't fight for a correct timeline?

 

[pocketaccent]

She could have said that she must have awakened at 1230 or 1240pm and not have realized Travis had done this seven to seventeen minutes beforehand.

She'd also said in the interrogation that they'd awakened about 1pm. Nurmi could have pointed that out on redirect, and it becomes a mistake over a very small estimate of time about an event with no bearing on the killing.

I hope I don't see argumentative, but I really want to know the answers to what I'll never know, which is what the hell happened that afternoon. So besides this unprovable thing, what indicates that JM didn't fight for a correct timeline?

Most of us here don't believe Jodi's timeline because it is strange for many reasons already discussed. I'm sure Martinez thought about the strange timeline presented by Jodi too. I'm not talking about whether the pictures are taken two mins apart or for 10 minutes etc. I'm talking about the time she actually got in the house, when did the sex began, picture taking began, etc. I have hard time believing she could do all she did after killing in such a short time period. So I began to think about the incorrect time set on the camera.

The point is Martinez never disputed timeline. For example he could have those roommates to contact their work, friends, stores they went, rental car agency to see if they can pinpoint when they left home or arrived home on that day. So that's why I think he never fought to get the timeline that makes more sense. I can't give you specific examples because he never disputed Jodi's timeline. Or maybe he knows what Jodi is telling is absolutely true, timeline-wise.

 

[Tiger09]

I think JM didn't dispute the timeline because he was more concerned with proving premeditation and the millions of other lies she told. Also, the defense pretty much put Travis on the stand, so he had to contest with Jodi's theatrics and false claims. If he went through all of her lies, the trial would still be going on.

I think she may have noticed that he logged in and went on it then and that's how the virus got there. A lot of people don't log out of their laptops if they don't have kids or aren't expecting someone to look through it. She probably sold him a boat load of lies that she'd never snoop again, blah blah, so he could have left it open for her to look at- hence the virus and the emails- then computer goes in sleep mode and there's the need to log in. Or she simply got the password from him. She could have tried to log in, didn't know the password and asked him with a lie as simple as needing to find a nearby hotel. No one really uses the yellow pages anymore. She gets the password and logs in after the murder, tries to upload naked pics, but messes up and gets a virus on it. Hell, she could have tried going on sites to show that he was a "pervert". She could have definitely reset the time to cover her own tracks.

 

[wasnt_me]

Most of us here don't believe Jodi's timeline because it is strange for many reasons already discussed. I'm sure Martinez thought about the strange timeline presented by Jodi too. I'm not talking about whether the pictures are taken two mins apart or for 10 minutes etc. I'm talking about the time she actually got in the house, when did the sex began, picture taking began, etc. I have hard time believing she could do all she did after killing in such a short time period. So I began to think about the incorrect time set on the camera.

The point is Martinez never disputed timeline. For example he could have those roommates to contact their work, friends, stores they went, rental car agency to see if they can pinpoint when they left home or arrived home on that day. So that's why I think he never fought to get the timeline that makes more sense. I can't give you specific examples because he never disputed Jodi's timeline. Or maybe he knows what Jodi is telling is absolutely true, timeline-wise.

I understand. Maybe I just want to defend Martinez because he seems so thorough that I can't imagine that he'd let Jodi slip on something as enormous as the timeline. He wouldn't even let her slip when she said, "God knows." The truth of it is, we do not know that he didn't do all these things you've set forth about the roommates, but he came up with nothing useful.

The police report is not all factual. It merely contains things they need to investigate. Maybe upon investigating Zach's day, they figured out he wasn't at the house at all that day, and his one statement about coming home in the afternoon becomes irrelevant.

The roommates didn't testify under oath, and we don't know why Martinez precluded them. I have to believe it was because what they had to say didn't lend enough value to the case to sacrifice Nurmi trying to use them to cast reasonable doubt.

 

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I think JM didn't dispute the timeline because he was more concerned with proving premeditation and the millions of other lies she told. Also, the defense pretty much put Travis on the stand, so he had to contest with Jodi's theatrics and false claims. If he went through all of her lies, the trial would still be going on.

I think she may have noticed that he logged in and went on it then and that's how the virus got there. A lot of people don't log out of their laptops if they don't have kids or aren't expecting someone to look through it. She probably sold him a boat load of lies that she'd never snoop again, blah blah, so he could have left it open for her to look at- hence the virus and the emails- then computer goes in sleep mode and there's the need to log in. Or she simply got the password from him. She could have tried to log in, didn't know the password and asked him with a lie as simple as needing to find a nearby hotel. No one really uses the yellow pages anymore. She gets the password and logs in after the murder, tries to upload naked pics, but messes up and gets a virus on it. Hell, she could have tried going on sites to show that he was a "pervert". She could have definitely reset the time to cover her own tracks.

If I don't use my laptop for a certain amount of time, it will make me log back into it. I do not have children or anyone else in my home. Just my huskies. I have been told that you need to power down your laptop when you're done with it and not to leave it open because you're using up memory for when you come back and wearing down the battery.

For example, last night, I left it open when I feel asleep. The next day, so much memory had been used keeping all the internet windows open that it took me about 10 minutes before the computer would even let me use it because I guess it was bringing back up EVERYTHING from when I'd last left it. I don't know.

I'm not IT guru, but if Deanna gave Travis that laptop, it's a safe bet that it was older since the two broke up in 2005, might not have had new memory installed in it, and it would take forever to restart if it hadn't been shut down properly from its last use. Taking all that into consideration, I would think Travis powered it down when he wasn't using it.