Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[Nymeria]

Apparently the letter was posted on her blog:

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Jodi Arias ‏@JodiAnnArias 1h @CollinsCasandra I said "blog," NOT Twitter. http://**************/blog .
--

The princess prisoner isn't pleased tonight. lol

ETA: I didn't notice the link in her tweet when I pasted it.

OK, so I now see the letter posted correctly, I will take back my issue with structure, that is ONE pass I give the killer as a Holiday Present :floorlaugh:

I did not even think to go look at her "Art" website, not been there in a very long time. Now that I have, it really is ridiculously childish. What is sad is that people in her camp probably tell her how talented she is.
Her art, like her, lacks any depth whatsoever.

I am noticing when I come here I start to get really snipey, JA and her BS makes me so irritable...imagine having to deal with her in the flesh on a regular basis. Those poor people :facepalm:

 

[Nymeria]

But to what end? If she premeditated murder and went through all the trouble with the phone and gas cans to show that she wasn't there, what could be the point of going through all that trouble to take pictures of pictures that would place her there on that day? Better to just leave the dateless pictures on the desk, isn't it?

When I thought she might have taken "pics of pics" I thought maybe she had some kind of plans for MiMi or others and those pictures being in his camera, then her plans changed (and they got deleted & TA is no longer with us).
The pictures just make no sense no matter how you want to look at them.

Even if she thought they could be deleted once done with the killing, why take a chance and take pictures AT ALL?
You have no idea if your plan is going to work, if you will have time after committing the act to get out clean.
Why take even a minute chance on photographic evidence existing?

Again, who the heck knows. Trying to get in her head is like trying to find the meaning of life....not going to happen while on this earth!

 

[neesaki]

When I thought she might have taken "pics of pics" I thought maybe she had some kind of plans for MiMi or others and those pictures being in his camera, then her plans changed (and they got deleted & TA is no longer with us).
The pictures just make no sense no matter how you want to look at them.

Even if she thought they could be deleted once done with the killing, why take a chance and take pictures AT ALL?
You have no idea if your plan is going to work, if you will have time after committing the act to get out clean.
Why take even a minute chance on photographic evidence existing?

Again, who the heck knows. Trying to get in her head is like trying to find the meaning of life....not going to happen while on this earth!

I have wondered if she was using the pics as part of her scheme / threats to blackmail Travis. Or, just pure revenge. Maybe she had him convinced she was going to forward them to Mimi or other, maybe just to torture him more ? Then perhaps Travis tried to grab the camera and that's when it hit the floor. Maybe he didn't really believe she would kill him. She had gun / knife at the ready, then the stabbing started. :scared:

 

[geevee]

I'm confused. I thought you said you thought the transgressor was Bobby?

What I meant was, in her journal entry it sounded like she was referring to two transgressions, one concerning Hawaii (Bobby) and then the one about Travis.

 

[geevee]

But to what end? If she premeditated murder and went through all the trouble with the phone and gas cans to show that she wasn't there, what could be the point of going through all that trouble to take pictures of pictures that would place her there on that day? Better to just leave the dateless pictures on the desk, isn't it?

If she initially made the covert mission to set him up, she needed the pics on the camera he was taking to Cancun, so Mimi would see them.

 

[geevee]

I have wondered if she was using the pics as part of her scheme / threats to blackmail Travis. Or, just pure revenge. Maybe she had him convinced she was going to forward them to Mimi or other, maybe just to torture him more ? Then perhaps Travis tried to grab the camera and that's when it hit the floor. Maybe he didn't really believe she would kill him. She had gun / knife at the ready, then the stabbing started. :scared:

I can find it quite plausible that he caught her loading the nudies/some shower pics on his camera and the fight ensued. There's a reason I think some shower pics were taken before as well, in one of the earlier ones (5:24:30) you can see something on the R built-in shower shelf that doesn't appear in next ones that were taken seconds afterwards (5:24:56 and 5:25:00).

 

[Jaykayelle]

I can find it quite plausible that he caught her loading the nudies/some shower pics on his camera and the fight ensued. There's a reason I think some shower pics were taken before as well, in one of the earlier ones (5:24:30) you can see something on the R built-in shower shelf that doesn't appear in next ones that were taken seconds afterwards (5:24:56 and 5:25:00).

I looked back in the media/timeline thread since I couldn't exactly remember the time stamps for the nudie photos. They were listed as items #164-169. The time stamps were between 1:42 and 1:48 p.m. I always found it weird that there was such a long time gap between these photos and the shower pics. Could it be that JA took photos of the photos as she went through them on her own laptop? Maybe took photos of her laptop screen? She could have done that and not even entered TA's house yet. Just a thought. I just have a hard time believing they had sex that day.

 

[Niner]

But to what end? If she premeditated murder and went through all the trouble with the phone and gas cans to show that she wasn't there, what could be the point of going through all that trouble to take pictures of pictures that would place her there on that day? Better to just leave the dateless pictures on the desk, isn't it?

True - good point, but....
what if she wanted to 'see' if Travis would take her to Cancun; of course, he said "no" - I believe he thought she had left and went to take a shower, and she came back with a knife and gun.... then tried to delete those pictures, (no?). I don't believe we will ever get the truth on "what went down"...

:wave:

 

[geevee]

I looked back in the media/timeline thread since I couldn't exactly remember the time stamps for the nudie photos. They were listed as items #164-169. The time stamps were between 1:42 and 1:48 p.m. I always found it weird that there was such a long time gap between these photos and the shower pics. Could it be that JA took photos of the photos as she went through them on her own laptop? Maybe took photos of her laptop screen? She could have done that and not even entered TA's house yet. Just a thought. I just have a hard time believing they had sex that day.

All she really had to do was resize and save them and that would get the time stamp we see on the pics, or take pics of pics she brought with her (using his camera), there's probably a few different ways to do it. Unless we see the exif data on each of the pics, there's no way to know for sure how they got on his camera.

 

[geevee]

Geevee, What if what you think is duct tape on her "braids" are actually pieces of string, like the ones found all around the murder scene?

I'm saying, what if she braided her hair there, had no ties, so she pulled pieces of tassels off the pillows or used something yarn-like to tie the ends?

To me, that might explain the threads being mashed into the floor. I can't remember if there were hairs around them. Remember, there' also one on the shower door that no one mentions in court. Also, on the uncensored photos, we can see that there is a holder on one braid, the left one, but not the right one--or the holder is black, meaning she had one holder but had to use something else for the other one.

Hawaii:

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/272314/slide_272314_1933727_free.jpg?1360017216000

http://i.huffpost.com/gadgets/slideshows/272314/slide_272314_1933723_free.jpg?1360017216000

The caption on this picture says it was taken in Hawaii and posted to Travis Alexander's myspace at some point.

Got this from:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/...who-murder-trial_n_2404657.html#slide=1933723

You're right about the braid furthest from the camera WM, you can't see the holder at all, the reason I've thought the closer one was duct tape (attached) is because of how grey and shiny it is, it's quite possible she used something else on the other one though. The fibers on the floor have me flummoxed, the ones closest to the closet look like carpet fibers (but no sign of damaged carpet in any of the pics), quite different than the one on the stairs and those near blood. They have meaning, I just don't know what that is, yet.

I'll have to reload my browser before looking through the HuffPost pics, that site takes so much bandwidth.

 

[geevee]

Huh, looked at the pics, no clue when he was in Hawaii.

 

[wasnt_me]

When I thought she might have taken "pics of pics" I thought maybe she had some kind of plans for MiMi or others and those pictures being in his camera, then her plans changed (and they got deleted & TA is no longer with us).
The pictures just make no sense no matter how you want to look at them.

Even if she thought they could be deleted once done with the killing, why take a chance and take pictures AT ALL?
You have no idea if your plan is going to work, if you will have time after committing the act to get out clean.
Why take even a minute chance on photographic evidence existing?

Again, who the heck knows. Trying to get in her head is like trying to find the meaning of life....not going to happen while on this earth!

The problem with the Mimi theory is that JA took a gun. She premeditated no one knowing she'd be there. And her hair is not the color in those pictures that we've known it to be throughout her relationship with Travis. So the plan of Mimi finding these pictures on the camera while in cancun but changing to murder goes against all the premeditation for the murder.

As for her taking the sex pictures on that day, she apparently thought deleting them was enough. It wasn't. That's why she became so worried about her other camera during interrogation. She thought they'd find whatever she might have deleted off there. But, to her luck, she'd apparently taken other pictures with it. ALOT of wedding pictures, and I'm guessing that pushed the deleted June 4th stuff off the camera.

My theory for her taking the sex pictures and shower pictures that day is that she'd planned to creep into the house, kill him and keep rolling to Utah in the middle of the night. Zach or Enrique was home and so she didn't think she should risk trying to kill Travis with another man in the house.

So she had to wait till the roommate left, and after all the driving, I'm assuming she slept past the time that the roommate left, and Travis was now wide awake, so she had to do something to lower his defenses and get him into a position that she could murder him.

Travis was all about cleaning his floors, so she talked him into doing the sex pictures they'd talked about so much to get him into a vulnerable position. I might even theorize that she attempted to tie him up, but he didn't want to be tied up--so that didn't work.

After sex, he was back to business as usual and probably wanting her to leave. So she concocted the shower pictures idea and talked him into that--or she walked up there and just started taking pictures when he first got in the shower, and he went along with it.

I believe the pictures were just her MO to get him to the point where she could kill him. I also kind of believe what she said on the stand. Nurmi asked her why she'd have sex with Travis. Her reply, "Well, I'm not gonna go there and not do that...."

It's possible that your theory could be so and she planned to plant the pictures on the camera while he slept, but if he awakened and they argued, she'd brought the weapons to kill him. I just find that extreme, though, because planting the pictures meant that she wanted him to be around to reap the consequences.

I also think she really thought deleting them would be the end of it. Let's face it. She was a novice photographer. Who knows if she knew the police could retrieve photos after she'd deleted them, bleached them, and ran them through water.

Common sense should have told her to take the chip, wipe down the camera and put it back in the case and then put it in the closet. I would say common sense should have told her to bring a chip, but I am not sure that the pictures were a part of the plan until plan A was interrupted by the roommate.

These are all theories. I'm not married to any of them. I do like the theory that she planted the pictures for Mimi to "accidentally" see, but she could have accomplished that with an email, and her hair was also a different color than in all the pictures she'd ever taken with Travis. That piece of evidence alone contradicts these photos being taken earlier.

 

[wasnt_me]

If she initially made the covert mission to set him up, she needed the pics on the camera he was taking to Cancun, so Mimi would see them.

Why steal the gun? Why is her hair dyed a different color in those pictures than in any other pictures she'd ever taken with Travis?

 

[wasnt_me]

I looked back in the media/timeline thread since I couldn't exactly remember the time stamps for the nudie photos. They were listed as items #164-169. The time stamps were between 1:42 and 1:48 p.m. I always found it weird that there was such a long time gap between these photos and the shower pics. Could it be that JA took photos of the photos as she went through them on her own laptop? Maybe took photos of her laptop screen? She could have done that and not even entered TA's house yet. Just a thought. I just have a hard time believing they had sex that day.

What is the mechanism to get photos off one camera and onto another? On his memory card were also pictures he'd taken since he got the camera. So how does she get these pictures from a different camera onto his camera's memory card and how does she have the sony software to accomplish this?

Additionally, the camera forensics guy testified that there were other pictures, unrecoverable ones, of the sex and the shower. So we don't know really how quickly the photo sessions were or how many pictures there were. Isn't this true? For all we know, the sex and picture taking could have lasted till 3 or 4pm and showering at even 5pm. Which actually makes more sense than the story she gave. But her story is just to match evidence, not to get at the truth.

True - good point, but....
what if she wanted to 'see' if Travis would take her to Cancun; of course, he said "no" - I believe he thought she had left and went to take a shower, and she came back with a knife and gun.... then tried to delete those pictures, (no?). I don't believe we will ever get the truth on "what went down"...

:wave:

This is totally plausible. I called it the "cancun or die" theory, but people told me I was wrong. If Travis went to Hawaii while she was in his life, and if she thought he cheated on her there as the journal entry hints to, can you imagine how it would eat her up that he'd be with Mimi in Cancun?

All she really had to do was resize and save them and that would get the time stamp we see on the pics, or take pics of pics she brought with her (using his camera), there's probably a few different ways to do it. Unless we see the exif data on each of the pics, there's no way to know for sure how they got on his camera.

For this to be true means that Juan Martinez did not do a thorough job, and I will doubt any of my theories before doubting that he didn't look at the exif data to see how these pictures got there. What everyone is not explaining in theor theories is how in the world she could get these pictures off a memory stick from her camera onto a memory stick of his camera without a computer and software and without getting the original picture history along with it.

 

[wasnt_me]

You're right about the braid furthest from the camera WM, you can't see the holder at all, the reason I've thought the closer one was duct tape (attached) is because of how grey and shiny it is, it's quite possible she used something else on the other one though. The fibers on the floor have me flummoxed, the ones closest to the closet look like carpet fibers (but no sign of damaged carpet in any of the pics), quite different than the one on the stairs and those near blood. They have meaning, I just don't know what that is, yet.

I'll have to reload my browser before looking through the HuffPost pics, that site takes so much bandwidth.

Duct tape is serious tape to put on your hair. I would think there would be another piece of it somewhere with her hair in it had she used that (since a holder is missing.) I personally would never put duct tape on my hair. Tie it with some string, yeah. to me, the one tie looks like it could be beige, like the fibers found. Looking at the one braid holder, it appears that you can see darkness in between it, which indicates to me the way a string would be if you wrapped it and could still see some hair though the open parts of the wrapping.

 

[LambChop]

Not sure why Travis would let JA take his pillows apart just to wrap her hair when there had to have been rubber bands around. Most households have them. And I have to wonder why JA would transfer pictures of her with brown hair (which we do not see her, other than right before TA died and throughout their relationship, with her hair anything other than blond) only to delete them. Clearly she came with a gun and had Travis agreed to take her to Cancun there would be no need to kill him or to delete those pictures. If anything those pictures would have been on her camera or her computer which they weren't. None of the pictures that were on Travis' camera were ever found on any equipment Jodi had.

Travis had two choices that day that he was not aware of: 1) to take Jodi back into his life, or 2) or to lose his life. It appears that was the extent of her plans and may have been why she waited so long to kill him. jmo

 

[wasnt_me]

I agree, lambchop, except it's a man's house. Who knows if they had rubber bands or if they could find them if he did. I've been to plenty of bachelor's houses, and they didn't have scissors or other things you might think would be in a house. It is also possible that she's got a rubber band on (found at the house or brought with her), and the strings are from something else.

I don't believe Travis had to let her take strings from the pillow for her to take them--or even if he saw her doing it. Or the strings could be from something else. I used the pillows because JM brought them up in court as possibly being the fibers, but I couldn't figure out how the fibers would be transported around the house as they were. One way is they fell off her hair after she'd tied them on.

The truth is Travis didn't let her do a lot of things that she did, including going through his phone, his emails, arriving there that day and killing him. Jodi did what she wanted to do.

Also, I was offering an alternative to the duct tape, which I don't think someone would put in their hair, and I still don't understand how such a big piece of used duct tape would be found at the crime scene if she'd just used it for her hair. My duct tape theory is she tried to make him wrap it around his wrists in the shower and when she went to cut the roll off with the knife, he pushed her, the camera flipped, she stabbed him, and they fought on the floor outside the shower, where her foot prints are seen on the white bottom lip of the shower under the shower door hinge, and which is why the shower door frame is bent.

 

[geevee]

Why steal the gun? Why is her hair dyed a different color in those pictures than in any other pictures she'd ever taken with Travis?

I think the hair color in the nudies looks like the color in the April or May pics with the dog.

Why'd she buy a gun between killing him and being arrested? Maybe she thought she'd have to shoot a roommate or someone along the way, I agree though, two weapons looks like she was on a deadly mission. I'm not married to any theory either, just seeing if any particular one fits all the pieces we have.

 

[LambChop]

The duct tape was never entered into evidence other than us seeing a picture of it in the laundry room. It could have been from one of the roommates and that is why we never heard another thing about it. It was never entered into evidence in the trial so nothing of value was placed on it in terms of the crime. jmo

Anyone think we will have a trial date by Friday????

 

[geevee]

The duct tape was never entered into evidence other than us seeing a picture of it in the laundry room. It could have been from one of the roommates and that is why we never heard another thing about it. It was never entered into evidence in the trial so nothing of value was placed on it in terms of the crime. jmo

Anyone think we will have a trial date by Friday????

After all this time I surely hope so!