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[hawkshaw]

The reason why I posted the above was not to defame, criticize, or suggest anything of a well known political figure. THE PURPOSE was to demonstrate to the readers that anyone of a certain mind can make most anyone fit a particular scenario.

Truth is the SCPD actually has a person that does this for his 2nd job.....or maybe it is his first job. This detective sergeant is/was assigned to Spota's detective squad. He fancies himself a CSI expert. He has his own school located out of a P.O. Box in a UPS store in Smithtown. There he puts together crime scene scenarios for young people to solve in competitions he and others bring to the local schools.

It is NOT too difficult to solve a 'crime' if you made up the crime out of thin air and went backwards to create the clues.

These SCPD guys are pretty productive with a lot of time on their hands - or they are highly multi tasked. I guess if one is single and approaching middle age one has more time to devote to such matters. His single friend, a verrrry busy man ( and busier now) manages to find the time to tear himself away from his busy schedule to teach private for profit promotional classes for police officers. These two fellows even can find the time to take long vacations together. One time they went to Thailand. That sure created a BUZZ.

Maybe we should call them the J.Edgar Hoover and Clyde Tolson of the SCPD.

 

[Peter Brendt]

Mr. Brendt. You said you did not bellieve a homicidal john was the LISK. Does that mean someone is stalking known prostitutes? Less chance of getting caught if hes not calling them to meet up?

Well, at least he stalks women, he can assume or knows as prostitutes. The part of the "homicidal John" theory, I don't believe is, that he posed as customer after he made his choice based merely on Craigslist (or other adsites). And I think, it's not just a forensic counter measure not to call them, stalking is also an act of domination, the intrusion into the future victim's life. That's of course, IMO. Just to avoid being jumped again.

 

[deedee21]

Well, at least he stalks women, he can assume or knows as prostitutes. The part of the "homicidal John" theory, I don't believe is, that he posed as customer after he made his choice based merely on Craigslist (or other adsites). And I think, it's not just a forensic counter measure not to call them, stalking is also an act of domination, the intrusion into the future victim's life. That's of course, IMO. Just to avoid being jumped again.

It sounds like SCPD can use decoys. Hang around in all the familiar places. Women who are packing and know martial arts. NYC version of mugable Mary. That is if they are catching him.

 

[deedee21]

I meant to say if they are interested in catching him.

 

[ps149]

I meant to say if they are interested in catching him.

100% you are correct.

There are members of the task force who were reassigned from the sex crimes unit to homicide to work this case. I'm not confirming 'yes' or 'no'... just sayin' that if decoys were to be utilized, the personnel to fill those roles would transfer over from the sex crimes unit.

 

[Peter Brendt]

It sounds like SCPD can use decoys. Hang around in all the familiar places. Women who are packing and know martial arts. NYC version of mugable Mary. That is if they are catching him.

It's a bit the wrong season, IMO. All four known murders of LISK happened in the summer months. So, next chance is probably after May 15th, 2013. At least, he hasn't a too long cycle of stalking, or he would maybe have a backlog. Now that would be nasty.

 

[Peter Brendt]

100% you are correct.

There are members of the task force who were reassigned from the sex crimes unit to homicide to work this case. I'm not confirming 'yes' or 'no'... just sayin' that if decoys were to be utilized, the personnel to fill those roles would transfer over from the sex crimes unit.

It would probably have to be NYPD's vice. The club scene in Hell's Kitchen. And the same for the club and private meeting scene in LI as well. Or the hotels near 46th street. Which spreads the problem at least over three jurisdictions (NYC, Nassau and Suffolk). Makes one wonder if they are even able to organize that. And of course, they would go and take the sex crime officers for that kind of job. Which, since the working girls know most of them, will in any surveillance and bait situation direct automatic attention to them and will give them no chance at all. So, I have not much hope on that front.

 

[deedee21]

It would probably have to be NYPD's vice. The club scene in Hell's Kitchen. And the same for the club and private meeting scene in LI as well. Or the hotels near 46th street. Which spreads the problem at least over three jurisdictions (NYC, Nassau and Suffolk). Makes one wonder if they are even able to organize that. And of course, they would go and take the sex crime officers for that kind of job. Which, since the working girls know most of them, will in any surveillance and bait situation direct automatic attention to them and will give them no chance at all. So, I have not much hope on that front.

They would need them on LI also. Good instincts and some plate numbers could go a long way.

 

[Peter Brendt]

They would need them on LI also. Good instincts and some plate numbers could go a long way.

They had their chance on plate numbers. I sent my profile and the suggestion to check on the traffic cams along RM causeway in two years ago, no reply. I also offered one of my "beer bets" at Tricia's radio show in case someone from LE was listening. Now, years later, the tapes are erased, the chance was there and passed unused.
In the meantime, he has probably another vehicle (three years for the usual business lease), and if he read crime boards, another brand and another color choice. And even everybody can guess, there has to be at least one more trophy garden in the LI area, nobody looked for it. So ... they don't seem to be too interested to catch that guy.

 

[Theforeigner]

Can You Guess Who I am? (hang in till the end, your first guess may be
wrong)


https://www.youtube.com/embed/rrjU-HBkmLE?feature=player_detailpage

What has that to do with the LISK case ???

OK, sorry I got the answer in the next post of yours=

 

[deedee21]

It was suggested by LE that the LISK is a seasonal worker. Maybe not. Maybe its someone whos on vacation from his job. Two women were killed in the summer of 2012. Maybe he split up his vacation time that summer.

 

[deedee21]

I meant to say two women were killed during the summer of 2010.

 

[LR1]

I've never bought in to the seasonal worker theory. season workers for the most part will not have living arrangements that will allow them to accomplish this without the chance of being discovered. Unless were dealing with a team, it seems to me He would need somewhere fairly isolated to take, kill, wrap, load etc. Its my opinion that he lives on LI, works or has worked in NYC. and I'll go out on a limb and say he's not a construction worker.

 

[deedee21]

LRI Would you consider that the killer of the gb4 is left handed? Mr PB reasons for saying this makes sense. He spoke about the placement of the bodies in reference to MBB the first victim.

 

[LR1]

Your guess is as good as mine on that deedee, or anybody else's for that matter. Frankly I cant draw that conclusion. after a brief look at statistics I would say there's guesstimated 2 in 10 chance he's left handed.

 

[Just K]

I thought we determined that to suggest that the killer was left or right-handed, with the info we have, would be left-handed logic.

With JT, the angle of the cuts on the tattoo depends on where the killer stood when he cut. If he was on her left or right or if he stood looking over her shoulder, from in front, the direction would be the exact opposite than if he stood on the opposite side or if stood behind her looking toward her head and shoulders.

As to the placement of the GB4, it was determined that they did not get placed 4, 3, 2, 1 or 1, 2, 3,4, by order of disappearance date, correct? From what folks spoke about the order was jumbled.

 

[Peter Brendt]

I thought we determined that to suggest that the killer was left or right-handed, with the info we have, would be left-handed logic.

With JT, the angle of the cuts on the tattoo depends on where the killer stood when he cut. If he was on her left or right or if he stood looking over her shoulder, from in front, the direction would be the exact opposite than if he stood on the opposite side or if stood behind her looking toward her head and shoulders.

As to the placement of the GB4, it was determined that they did not get placed 4, 3, 2, 1 or 1, 2, 3,4, by order of disappearance date, correct? From what folks spoke about the order was jumbled.

How about, you look for the direction of the cuts? The end where a blade goes into skin is different from the other end of the cut and the tear goes always WITH the cut direction.

 

[OnTheCase27]

I thought we determined that to suggest that the killer was left or right-handed, with the info we have, would be left-handed logic.

With JT, the angle of the cuts on the tattoo depends on where the killer stood when he cut. If he was on her left or right or if he stood looking over her shoulder, from in front, the direction would be the exact opposite than if he stood on the opposite side or if stood behind her looking toward her head and shoulders.

As to the placement of the GB4, it was determined that they did not get placed 4, 3, 2, 1 or 1, 2, 3,4, by order of disappearance date, correct? From what folks spoke about the order was jumbled.

I believe the order from left(west) to right(east) was 4, 2, 1, 3.

 

[Pheonixfire]

I agree those two statements completely

 

[Peter Brendt]

I believe the order from left(west) to right(east) was 4, 2, 1, 3.

The first one to drop was MBB
The second one was MB, left of MBB
The third one was MW, to the right of MBB
The fourth one was ALC, again to the left of BM, to the left of MBB

This is a circular thinking pattern and it is executed counter-clockwise. Every new circle starts one ring further to the LEFT of the first victim. And that is, why you have, coming from the left, the victims with the even numbers first, then the number one victim and then the odd numbers. Happens when the mind draws invisible circles and they intersect with a road.