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[hawkshaw]

IMO, and I am sure a lot of you are not going to agree, but the guy that made those phone calls is NOT the killer, nor does he know the killer. I couldn't possibly imagine a scenario how this happened, but I think it did. And I don't mind going out on a limb on this because I have no problem later to be proven wrong.

 

[LikeAHunter]

A tussle orchestrated by a pimp? Wtf is that? Some kind of hooker fight club?

Hooker fight club! :laughing:

You've never come off as a know it all to me, Hunter. I find your posts informative, thoughtful and thought provoking.

I hope I don't come of as a know it all, either. Sometimes my delivery can be a bit overbearing, especially when I get lost in a thought.

Aw, shucks! Thank you! The feeling is mutual. And I always think of you as Joe Friday, MK. "Just the facts, Ma'am." LOL

 

[Emre E]

IMO, and I am sure a lot of you are not going to agree, but the guy that made those phone calls is NOT the killer, nor does he know the killer. I couldn't possibly imagine a scenario how this happened, but I think it did. And I don't mind going out on a limb on this because I have no problem later to be proven wrong.

I bet you wouldn't be surprised if he turns up another "JB", right?

 

[Emre E]

Jep! and I really would like to know the name of the guy who claimed he found the phone, also the names of the prostitutes involved in the incident.
Also want to know the exact date/time he alleged found the phone.

Since getting those information seems close to impossible for us, we can skip hoping for nothing and try to find a plausible scenario how that happened? Am I correct?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

IMO, and I am sure a lot of you are not going to agree, but the guy that made those phone calls is NOT the killer, nor does he know the killer. I couldn't possibly imagine a scenario how this happened, but I think it did. And I don't mind going out on a limb on this because I have no problem later to be proven wrong.

Hawk I'm pretty sure those calls came from Melissa's phone...the one she disappeared with in Massapequa...her voice mail was checked in Massapequa from those two hotels....I dont see how anyone who doesnt know the killer could call her sister from her phone and say he was watching her body rot...and also call her pimp and describe his tattoos?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Since getting those information seems close to impossible for us, we can skip hoping for nothing and try to find a plausible scenario how that happened? Am I correct?

Well i'm assuming that phone is not melissa's personal phone which pinged from massapequa right? IF it was that's a big deal. SO i;'m assuming it was another phone that her pimp had and he gave it to her another girl when melissa was gone. Although it kinda makes you think....what if it was her phone that pinged?

 

[Emre E]

Well i'm assuming that phone is not melissa's personal phone which pinged from massapequa right? IF it was that's a big deal. SO i;'m assuming it was another phone that her pimp had and he gave it to her another girl when melissa was gone. Although it kinda makes you think....what if it was her phone that pinged?

I have no hopes such information will come out, and although I believe they should start giving out some evidence (starting with the sound clips of the calls to Sis Amanda) I honestly don't think LE should give that (the above info) out. Other than speculation not much we can do.

So, I see this incident as "a property recovered among a group of people who's OK with acquiring stolen property". What's your take?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Well HA said he searched AC Pawn Shops for Kim's phone but claimed LE never did. I've often wondered if Hands of Gold Jewelry also functions as a pawn shop and whether the 18year old from the Brentwood sump had recently pawned some jewelry. He had a key ring from Hands of Gold. My theory is he was in the phoenix house rehab which is blocks from where his body was found. I also wonder what line of work deals with sumps as JT and Jane Doe 2000 where dumped near a sump and so was the brentwood kid.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I would think the LISK would keep the phones as trophies, although not in his home because that;s too risky, but perhaps in a secret storage space.

 

[Emre E]

Somebody did a heist on LISK's stash? That's a possible explanation.

I tend to get the bit of information on its face value.

1 This comes from NYPD
2 NYPD regarded the case basically as a robbery&murder (potentially "murder")
3 Whatever the purpose of that phone is, NYPD found it noteworthy to be turning up in the possession of some "irrelevant" person. Meaning, NYPD believes it was on Melissa when she vanished.

 

[Emre E]

Anybody can confirm Maureen called home on her own cell?

I mean "the call" she made reporting the mugging, home or a friend whomever that was to.

 

[Puggle]

Be careful about jumping to conclusions if you really want to understand him emotionally. IS he a rapist? He doesn't pick women off the street and force himself on them sexually, does he? All of his known victims consented to sex. So do you think he views himself as a rapist? Is he a robber if he takes back his own money? More importantly, do you think he views himself as a robber?

I do understand your anger reaction, however, if you want to catch this killer, you need to understand how he works as a human being, to understand that you need to put away your hatred and try put yourself in his place, try to sense how he think, how he feel.
(Actually it is the detectives etc who work the case has to do so, if they want to solve this case.)

So, I agree 100% WITH Mountain_Kat's thoughts.

In line with your thoughts Foreigner and Kat.... He doesn't consider them human - he objectifies them, so that wouldn't allow him to feel any guilt or conscience about taking money they had on them. You can't be a thief if your core belief system is that you are "Entitled and Special".

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Somebody did a heist on LISK's stash? That's a possible explanation.

I tend to get the bit of information on its face value.

1 This comes from NYPD
2 NYPD regarded the case basically as a robbery&murder (potentially "murder")
3 Whatever the purpose of that phone is, NYPD found it noteworthy to be turning up in the possession of some "irrelevant" person. Meaning, NYPD believes it was on Melissa when she vanished.

It would be strange for Melissa's phone to end up right back in times square where she worked daily. I still think only the SK could make the calls to her sister. It doesn't add up that anyone could make that call, you would have to be really really sick. And the call is inline with the SK's MO of calling victims family. He called Johnny Terry, Megan's mom and likely Shannan's mom.

 

[Emre E]

.... Megan's mom and likely Shannan's mom.

Never saw that info. Are you sure?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Never saw that info. Are you sure?

Megan's mom was called by someone claiming to be a Police officer who wanted to know if she'd filed a missing person report for megan. Her mom was suspicious because the call sounded off, and it turns out it wasn't a police officer. So it's likely the SK, atleast thats MY THEORY and I THINK Megan's mom believes so too. As For Mari Shannan's mom, I believe the call from Dr. Hackett to be from the killer, whether he made the call from Hackett's home, Coached Hackett to make the call, Hacketts the killer OR he fluked into the phone line and spoofed the call as Dr Hackett...who knows?

 

[Emre E]

Megan's mom was called by someone claiming to be a Police officer who wanted to know if she'd filed a missing person report for megan. Her mom was suspicious because the call sounded off, and it turns out it wasn't a police officer. So it's likely the SK, atleast thats MY THEORY and I THINK Megan's mom believes so too. As For Mari Shannan's mom, I believe the call from Dr. Hackett to be from the killer, whether he made the call from Hackett's home, Coached Hackett to make the call, Hacketts the killer OR he fluked into the phone line and spoofed the call as Dr Hackett...who knows?

I see. Thank you so much. The call to Megan's mom is interesting. I'll check on that. As for the unemployable doc, I do believe he has something to do with at least one homicide, but connection with other girls... don't seem plausible to me, nevertheless "your opinion" is the second valuable thing for me next to "your life".

 

[LindsayLohan6]

I see. Thank you so much. The call to Megan's mom is interesting. I'll check on that. As for the unemployable doc, I do believe he has something to do with at least one homicide, but connection with other girls... don't seem plausible to me, nevertheless "your opinion" is the second valuable thing for me next to "your life".

Well "my life" is worth about 500 grand but my opinion is priceless.
Source: http://worthly.com/networth/lindsay-lohan-net-worth/

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Megan's mom was called by someone claiming to be a Police officer who wanted to know if she'd filed a missing person report for megan. Her mom was suspicious because the call sounded off, and it turns out it wasn't a police officer. So it's likely the SK, atleast thats MY THEORY and I THINK Megan's mom believes so too. As For Mari Shannan's mom, I believe the call from Dr. Hackett to be from the killer, whether he made the call from Hackett's home, Coached Hackett to make the call, Hacketts the killer OR he fluked into the phone line and spoofed the call as Dr Hackett...who knows?

Then you are saying that you believe CPH murdered Shannan, because he did make those calls to Mari. Not once, but twice. That's not opinion, or assumption, it's a fact.

http://archive.longislandpress.com/...ily-to-file-lawsuit-against-dr-peter-hackett/

Hackett later denied calling Mari, but after phone records proved he did call her, Hackett admitted to 48 Hours that he had called Mari, but that he had nothing to do with Shannan’s disappearance.

 

[Emre E]

The you are saying that you believe CPH murdered Shannan, because he did make those calls to Mari. Not once, but twice. That's not opinion, or assumption, it's a fact.

http://archive.longislandpress.com/...ily-to-file-lawsuit-against-dr-peter-hackett/

Hackett later denied calling Mari, but after phone records proved he did call her, Hackett admitted to 48 Hours that he had called Mari, but that he had nothing to do with Shannan’s disappearance.

Yes, I believe he's a strong suspect. I don't know how many times he called Mari, but I know he lied two times on the same issue. Insistently. First he denied ever calling Mari, then sent a half letter to 48 Hrs showing "only" his own phone and then Mari dug out that he made a call using his wife's phone. He's caught in a lie twice, and all due respect Det. Varrone says that he is just an attention seeker and these actions are not suspicious, then I don't know what suspicious is.

Shannan got high on some weird drug and took off her clothes? Well, one drug that makes you go butt naked is bath salts, mephedrone and its derivatives to be more precise. If you're high on meph and call 911 here's what you sound like;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wh_nZiuFC4o

As per Det. Varrone's narrative; she probably had money on her. She turned at least one trick in New York and it was Michael Pak who arranged the date with Brewer, it wasn't Shannan. So it's quite normal that Shannan did not know where she is and just mumbling some road signs she saw on the way. Also as per the sound comments here, strongly probable that she got the money from Brewer upfront.

But her money did not turn up in the marshes, same as the "somebody strangled me bone", but her lipstick was there.

She was chased by a convicted human trafficker. Or let' stop talking with fancy words, "a slave trader". A shady doctor called the mom and told he was "taking care of her". Btw, I have no doubt what Hackett told to Mari is exactly as what Mari referred. I'm using my preference not to believe a man who's caught two times in a lie.

So, if Shannan is murdered, where's the answer? Of course in the phone records... I know in my gut that there are calls between Pak and Hackett in the subsequent days of her disappearance and Michael Pak never made an attempt to call her because he knew "she was taken care of".


I'm not a good joke teller but it's something like that

A man is suspicious that wife is cheating. Hires a PI and the detective comes back after a week with his report, backed by photos. Detective shows and tells; "They met down town, here's photo, they went to movies together, here's photo, they cuddled and kissed in the car, photo, they went to a motel, photo..." Guy asks "so my wife is cheating on me?" PI goes, "I don't know, they closed the curtain before I took that photo".

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Great post, Em. The reason I have never been able to remove CPH from my POI list is because the facts are what they are. He did make those calls to Mari, one less than 48 hours after Shannan went missing. He did deny making those calls, and the phone records prove him to be a liar. I can't say with certainty that Shannan was murdered, and I can't say with certainty that she has any connection to the GB4...but I can say, without a doubt, that Peter Hackett is a liar, and people who are innocent of any wrong doing don't feel the need to lie.

ETA: You may not tell a good joke, but you tell one hell of a parable.