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[LindsayLohan6]

Puggle I missed what you referring to? Is there somthing edited out of your post already?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

OK ...now when do coincidences that keep popping up become more than coincidence.... Just found this when reading Long Island Victims with connect to rehab thread.

Colleen McNamee left from her drug-treatment program at the South Shore Treatment Center in Islandia with another outpatient at about 10 a.m. on the day she disappeared. She was last seen getting into a small blue car in front of the Blue Dawn Diner in Islandia. The car drove east on Veteran's Memorial Highway. The couple said their daughter, who had been in and out of drug-treatment programs, had held several jobs after graduating Sachem High School in 1991,

Emre....you may want to have a look at the pimp connection I posted above...

Interesting I've never notice the "left w another outpatient before"

but I'm missing what your saying? Who's Tash? What drowning? How does relate to KW or Sachem Hi?>

 

[Emre E]

We will have to agree to disagree about Jessica's remains. From my point of view the fact that she was left in an area used by locals to hang out and drink, get high and whatever, makes me think the killer wasn't to fussed about her body being found...and if anything he "got off" knowing somebody would come across that grossly disturbing sight.

Agreed to disagree

Here's a preview from the JT case study


How would you define the dumping of Jessica Taylor’s body?

Two alternative versions:

1) It was part of the daily routine of LISK. He is a white collar employee. He wakes up, takes a shower, morning coffee, papers etc., goes in his car and face palms “Oh. Sh.t! That girl’s body”. Goes back home, gets the body, dropping the parts in Manorville and Gilgo Beach he gets rid of it and shows up at work a few minutes late.

2) It’s a special operation. LISK specifically goes out to get rid of the body and moves on.

My answer is (2)


Mission: Get rid of the body

Mission objectives
1) Make sure the body is not found
2) Make sure the body is not identified

Key mission objective is (2). As a matter of fact, it would be preferable for LISK to fulfill the objective (1) too, but obviously it’s not the critical one.


Mission parameters
1) ASAP
2) Minimize the risk

While 1 and 2 look similar, there are many other factors at play in risk, so, time is not the one and only constraint in (2).



Jessica Taylor’s torso. Any kind of display to crush whomever to find it? Posing?
No. It’s a simple dump operation.


Here's a special note for Puggle.... No posing, no fantasies about the person to find her. I can assure you, but can't elaborate here

 

[Puggle]

Yes there were rules....strange rules...like you couldn't walk on the sidewalk if another pimp was there. You had to walk on the street itself. OR if another pimp touches you - they can to take your money. "This came from 'Lost Girls."

I know that pimps sometimes trade their girls off to other pimps....remember it's a business fro the guys. Not so much for the girls who believe they are in a relationship.

 

[Puggle]

Puggle I missed what you referring to? Is there somthing edited out of your post already?

Maybe...I'll go back and check...give me five.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Jessica Taylor's Torso was pretty out in the open while the male who I believe was dumped with her was not found for many months until a mushroom hunter found him. So i'd say yes JT was meant to be found being so out in the open while the male was more hidden. PUG please fill me in on who is Tash what drowning?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Emre your theories are interesting but you tend to glaze over significant details, like that a male was in all probability dumped with Jessica Taylor just like the male WHO WAS dumped with Jane Doe 2000. JD 2000 was in almost the same spot as JT 3 years earlier. When you add another body into the mix, especially a male it muddies the water quite a bit, which is why most people here like to ignore those facts all together and pretend the SK kills and dumps stricly female escorts.

 

[Emre E]

Emre your theories are interesting but you tend to glaze over significant details, like that a male was in all probability dumped with Jessica Taylor just like the male WHO WAS dumped with Jane Doe 2000. JD 2000 was in almost the same spot as JT 3 years earlier. When you add another body into the mix, especially a male it muddies the water quite a bit, which is why most people here like to ignore those facts all together and pretend the SK kills and dumps stricly female escorts.

I know, that's bad of me. I have a particular resent for crimes against women, that's why I focus on them, at least that's what I did so far. Of course the male victims should be analyzed too, to verify the link or absence of a link.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Well it's just a completely different scenario when you've killed two people and are dumping them then you've just killed one escort. It changes things drastically.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

One escort makes the "homicidal John" theory work...i guess...but a dismembered escort and male? homicidal john seems less likely and something else might be going on. Why leave JT out while hide the male to not be for months? The male was also believed to be a woman by the mushroom hunter because his feet were so small at first. Another corss dressing male prostitute or something else entirely? Was the male with JT when she was killed or unrelated but just dumped around the same time ? What do you think?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Also why does JT's murder and dumpsite mirror Jane Doe's so heavily? Dumped in almost the exact same spot? While a male was dumped near by? Why such similar scenarios 3 years a part? Whats going on there? The female is dismembered bu the male isnt. What's going on there?

 

[Emre E]

One escort makes the "homicidal John" theory work...i guess...but a dismembered escort and male? homicidal john seems less likely and something else might be going on. Why leave JT out while hide the male to not be for months? The male was also believed to be a woman by the mushroom hunter because his feet were so small at first. Another corss dressing male prostitute or something else entirely? Was the male with JT when she was killed or unrelated but just dumped around the same time ? What do you think?

Well, here's a more detailed explanation. I see robbery as a main part of the motive. But since we have some unidentified victims, like the mom and the baby which drive me nuts, it is possible the males could be victims of robbery/murder too. But they are unidentified. Is it possible to solve the crime based on just the female victims? To me it is, and I have mentioned an unnamed POI several times. Maybe he has more to tell on the entire set of victims

 

[Emre E]

BTW, Jane Doe 2000, Jessica and Peaches (no parts were found in 2011 search if I remember correct, though I see clearly linked) were wrapped in plastic thingies. (Peaches was put in a rubber maid container) That tells me that this guy has a house to keep neat and tidy.

 

[Emre E]

More... bodies are butchered (forensic dismemberment). Who's so comfortable with bodies? I say, among many other possibilities, somebody who fought a war. How about our gentleman served a tour in Iraq 90/91? Or Bosnia? Was it 95? A soldier knows very well that fingerprints are excellent for identifying KIA. Though a soldier would know better than a half-assed tattoo defacing. Looking deep, getting confused.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Let me set the scene for you.....it's november 2000. You've got a dismembered woman in plastic bags and a male in your vehicle. You pull down halsey manor road....what do you do next? Who do you dump first? How did you overpower two adults and kill them both, get them into your vehicle, how are you going to do dump two bodies alone off a well traveled LIE exit?

 

[Emre E]

Let me set the scene for you.....it's november 2000. You've got a dismembered woman in plastic bags and a male in your vehicle. You pull down halsey manor road....what do you do next? Who do you dump first? How did you overpower two adults and kill them both, get them into your vehicle, how are you going to do dump two bodies alone off a well traveled LIE exit?

Today is your bright questions day. These are excellent things. I don't know the manner of death of the males. I pondered sometime around Tasers but still may not be enough for a man, or even for Megan. This girl is like a wrestler. So, I tend to think two buddies. Like father and son, uncle and nephew. Two people close enough to confide their darkest secrets to each other. But that is far from being a theory. A "just sayin'" thing.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

a State Trooper with military experience is a reason to park on the side of OP with no suspicion.
http://www.audiworld.com/forums/s4-...parkway-near-jones-beach-past-needle-2549749/

 

[LindsayLohan6]

If it's two people my money is on Bittrolff having a partner...possibly the ministry guy who grew up in mastic with KR also

 

[Puggle]

Sorry to take so long...

Ok this is hard to explain...but here goes. Someone that I think may have been a victim of LISK officially was deemed a suicide who had drowned. Her body washed ashore June 2013 at Gilgo beach. I didn't want to use her real name as when I originally sleuthed....all info/contacts disappeared. But now with time passed... one of her contacts has revealed more about himself and his contacts.

Sorry...I know this is probably really hard to follow.

Anyway...KW has a contact lets call her Mimi....one of Mimi's contacts just happens to be One of only two names we could ever find as a contact of Tash.

Like I said it can just be a coincidence...

Then I just happened to be reading the rehab thread and noticed the Sachem High school being mentioned......the person I was posting about went to sachem high school - so did Tash......again just another coincidence....but as was proven in the past by other posters pimps do have contacts with other pimps...like the example of KW knowing AC... I'm just trying to connect a few more dots. What I posted may mean nothing or it may mean something to one of the older posters who have been working on this for years.....also having said that...for the older posters - just as a curiosity and odd coincidence if you find the person I am mentioning...have a look out for a contact of his with the last name Bittrolff - Weird!!

 

[Emre E]

If it's two people my money is on Bittrolff having a partner...possibly the ministry guy who grew up in mastic with KR also

See, that's the thing. I can clear Bittrolff from the crimes "just by looking at the crimes", but the prosecution doesn't have the luxury to do that. Unfortunately Mr. Spota said that exact thing, that they cleared him by the dissimilarities of the crimes scenes. So sad for the history of justice.