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[LindsayLohan6]

Puggle do you mean N.J.?

 

[Emre E]

Sorry to take so long...

Ok this is hard to explain...but here goes. Someone that I think may have been a victim of LISK officially was deemed a suicide who had drowned. Her body washed ashore June 2013 at Gilgo beach. I didn't want to use her real name as when I originally sleuthed....all info/contacts disappeared. But now with time passed... one of her contacts has revealed more about himself and his contacts.

Sorry...I know this is probably really hard to follow.

Anyway...KW has a contact lets call her Mimi....one of Mimi's contacts just happens to be One of only two names we could ever find as a contact of Tash.

Like I said it can just be a coincidence...

Then I just happened to be reading the rehab thread and noticed the Sachem High school being mentioned......the person I was posting about went to sachem high school - so did Tash......again just another coincidence....but as was proven in the past by other posters pimps do have contacts with other pimps...like the example of KW knowing AC... I'm just trying to connect a few more dots. What I posted may mean nothing or it may mean something to one of the older posters who have been working on this for years.....also having said that...for the older posters - just as a curiosity and odd coincidence if you find the person I am mentioning...have a look out for a contact of his with the last name Bittrolff - Weird!!

These are curious things. Sounds like some money you're walking on.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

See, that's the thing. I can clear Bittrolff from the crimes "just by looking at the crimes", but the prosecution doesn't have the luxury to do that. Unfortunately Mr. Spota said that exact thing, that they cleared him by the dissimilarities of the crimes scenes. So sad for the history of justice.

I wouldn't be so quick to clear Bittrolff at all. Two killers easily explains variation in MO, and Bittrolff clearly has the means and knowledge to dismember.

 

[Puggle]

Agreed to disagree

Here's a preview from the JT case study


How would you define the dumping of Jessica Taylor’s body?

Two alternative versions:

1) It was part of the daily routine of LISK. He is a white collar employee. He wakes up, takes a shower, morning coffee, papers etc., goes in his car and face palms “Oh. Sh.t! That girl’s body”. Goes back home, gets the body, dropping the parts in Manorville and Gilgo Beach he gets rid of it and shows up at work a few minutes late.

2) It’s a special operation. LISK specifically goes out to get rid of the body and moves on.

My answer is (2)


Mission: Get rid of the body

Mission objectives
1) Make sure the body is not found
2) Make sure the body is not identified

Key mission objective is (2). As a matter of fact, it would be preferable for LISK to fulfill the objective (1) too, but obviously it’s not the critical one.


Mission parameters
1) ASAP
2) Minimize the risk

While 1 and 2 look similar, there are many other factors at play in risk, so, time is not the one and only constraint in (2).



Jessica Taylor’s torso. Any kind of display to crush whomever to find it? Posing?
No. It’s a simple dump operation.
Here's a special note for Puggle.... No posing, no fantasies about the person to find her. I can assure you, but can't elaborate here

I didn't say she was posed EMre.

Out of all you posted.....I think you backed up what I did say. She was not hidden - it was in your words a "Dump" job.

Merely my opinion...but I don't think the killer was trying to hide her identity. I believe by leaving a portion of the Tattoo was deliberate so she would be identified. The mutilation was simply to obliterate Remi or Remy (sorry get it mucked up)...I think this was a message to KW...that's what I think.

 

[Emre E]

I wouldn't be so quick to clear Bittrolff at all. Two killers easily explains variation in MO, and Bittrolff clearly has the means and knowledge to dismember.

If only Mr. Spota could think the same way as you did.

 

[Emre E]

I didn't say she was posed EMre.

Out of all you posted.....I think you backed up what I did say. She was not hidden - it was in your words a "Dump" job.

Merely my opinion...but I don't think the killer was trying to hide her identity. I believe by leaving a portion of the Tattoo was deliberate so she would be identified. The mutilation was simply to obliterate Remi or Remy (sorry get it mucked up)...I think this was a message to KW...that's what I think.

A long shot but why not? I don't see any reason that being absolutely untrue. And uh, "Posed thing" is just a part of the preview, not exactly the point of this discussion. I get your point. I say it like "they wished the body wasn't found but they were too lazy to do what it takes".

 

[Puggle]

Yes Lindsay. I'd prefer not to use her real name only because it then shows up on online search. Last time the contact closed everything off so nothing could be seen. Now maybe he's feeling a little more relaxed due to it being over 12 months ago...I don't know...just being cautious cause I like the lead I have and don't want to loose it again until I can dig up little more on connections between some of the guys involved.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

If they didnt want JT found, they would have dumped her deeper into the woods with the male who I STRONLY SUGGEST was dumped with her.

 

[Emre E]

If they didnt want JT found, they would have dumped her deeper into the woods with the male who I STRONLY SUGGEST was dumped with her.

Can you please elaborate on that? I really know almost nothing about the male victim(s) - how many? - in Manorville. Is it possible that this guy may be customer of Jessica and the perp(s) busted them on the business and did the robbery or whatever they had in mind? Dates coincide that much?

 

[Puggle]

Just curious Emre...what makes your POI..your POI?

Does your POI have any connections to the "Boyfriends"?

Opps...should have asked...is your POI a real person or a "Theory"?

 

[Emre E]

Just curious Emre...what makes your POI..your POI?

Does your POI have any connections to the "Boyfriends"?

Opps...should have asked...is your POI a real person or a "Theory"?

I named my POI and explained my theory in my third or fourth post, you can check. Also a few times in the pages 46-50. There's a guy who took Maureen's money and supposedly Maureen was able to take her money back. That story don't click for me.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Does anyone remember reading about Megan Waterman was originally recruited by someone at a rave/hip hop party upstate? The guy might have been a DJ or a promoter? It would be really helpful if someone remembers this. This individual maybe was the one who introduced her to Akeem Cruz? Does anyone have more info on this guy? I'm think this might be your guy puggle

 

[Puggle]

No I think Akeem actually went to the nightclub in Maine "Recruiting" - she met Akeem there and they became boyfriend and girlfriend...and you know how that turned out. That's what these guys do. Earlier on someone posted a link for a story that LE in Maine were aware that a lot of girls were recruited that way. I can only reason they hit these out of town places looking for girls who are vulnerable in as they wouldn't have the street smarts when taken out of their own environments...

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Can you please elaborate on that? I really know almost nothing about the male victim(s) - how many? - in Manorville. Is it possible that this guy may be customer of Jessica and the perp(s) busted them on the business and did the robbery or whatever they had in mind? Dates coincide that much?

Jane and John Doe were dumped together in Manorville 2000. They were found two or 3 days apart in November. Jessica Taylor's male is more of a mystery, as he found in November but believed to have been dumped four months earlier, which I firmily believe was with Jessica Taylor much to the disagreement of my fellow posters. JT's male was found my a mushroom hunter who didnt report the find for two weeks, which is very very suspicious. I believe in both cases the males were nude or in boxers and John Doe 2000 had positively been strangled. John Doe also had surgical staples in his jaw.

 

[Emre E]

Jane and John Doe were dumped together in Manorville 2000. They were found two or 3 days apart in November. Jessica Taylor's male is more of a mystery, as he found in November but believed to have been dumped four months earlier, which I firmily believe was with Jessica Taylor much to the disagreement of my fellow posters. JT's male was found my a mushroom hunter who didnt report the find for two weeks, which is very very suspicious. I believe in both cases the males were nude or in boxers and John Doe 2000 had positively been strangled. John Doe also had surgical staples in his jaw.

That is seriously straight to the point info for me. Thanks a lot. Maybe I really made a mistake just focusing on the female victims.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Well, that is the first time I've noticed the bolded above. I wonder if it was R. Blake or even another or others and if it wasn't Blake then who was the first? Who did the recruiters work for? ...

The guy prior to AC went by the name of Banks. Not sure if he was the first.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Thanks MK, could you elaborate on Mr. Banks at all, is that info in Lost girls? I think since the FBI took "Vibe's" laptop, that's probably the most telltale sign that cruz might be connected to the killer, and I believe Cruz was sentenced for Cocaine (sales?), so I think that might be the angle this is going....

 

[Emre E]

Jane and John Doe were dumped together in Manorville 2000. They were found two or 3 days apart in November. Jessica Taylor's male is more of a mystery, as he found in November but believed to have been dumped four months earlier, which I firmily believe was with Jessica Taylor much to the disagreement of my fellow posters. JT's male was found my a mushroom hunter who didnt report the find for two weeks, which is very very suspicious. I believe in both cases the males were nude or in boxers and John Doe 2000 had positively been strangled. John Doe also had surgical staples in his jaw.

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/suffolk/bodies-found-in-manorville-area-1.3619376

How about

Jane Doe 2000 - Customer John Doe 2000
Jessica Taylor 2003 - Customer John Doe 2003
Peaches Doe 1997 (?) - Customer Badly decomposed John Doe, Feb 17 2012 skeletal remains.

Perp/a band of bandits busting prostitutes on the job. Killing the John, raping the girl and killing her too. They are not worried that the John would be identified because it doesn't tell anything about them, but they do few stuff to hinder the identification of the women.

A major part of the motive being robbery.

And of course the cleanest Law Enforcement Agency in the world fueling the Hannibal Lecter John story to warn the girls about the dangers of "pimpless" prostitution.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks MK, could you elaborate on Mr. Banks at all, is that info in Lost girls? I think since the FBI took "Vibe's" laptop, that's probably the most telltale sign that cruz might be connected to the killer, and I believe Cruz was sentenced for Cocaine (sales?), so I think that might be the angle this is going....

Don't recall a lot of info on the guy. Seems like maybe he was a friend or associate of Cruz, but don't hold me to that. I don't think "Banks" is a real name, but rather a street name, like "Blaze", "Vibe" , ect. Info is probably in Lost Girls.

 

[Puggle]

Kat...sorry I know it's hard when we read so many posts/sites/ and even the lost girls book (Which I don't have - so makes this even harder) can you try to recall in what context the name Mr Banks came up....was this an associate of Megans before Cruz....anything that you can remember...any details... why did the name Banks pop into your head...