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[LindsayLohan6]

My guess dumped together but I honestly still think Bittrolff is the SK who could just ride ATV's with the bodies to the dump site. But anyway,
"On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September."

http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news18.html

Get THIS: although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers

JANE DOE HAD A TATTOO That they have a picture of!! I've always seen it as Maybe had a tattoo where here leg was cut! They have the tattoo That they never released! Somebody doesnt want this girl Id'ed!

 

[Emre E]

My guess dumped together but I honestly still think Bittrolff is the SK who could just ride ATV's with the bodies to the dump site. But anyway,
"On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September."

http://www.doenetwork.org/media/news18.html

Get THIS: although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers

JANE DOE HAD A TATTOO That they have a picture of!! I've always seen it as Maybe had a tattoo where here leg was cut! They have the tattoo That they never released! Somebody doesnt want this girl Id'ed!

Take that
1- Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases... Interesting!
2- JANE DOE HAD A TATTOO! That they never released! Somebody doesnt want this girl Id'ed! .... ooooh Hawkshaw will slap'em hard as he rightfully does.


Though you may say they made her sketch available... Those sketches... Can you really see much difference between the mom and the Jane Doe 2000 or the supposedly cross dressing Asian male prostitute looks like a sacred chinese warrior to you too? Did you take a look at the jewelry pictures, images that look like taken with a kitchen blender. I zoomed them in so much still I can't tell the pattern. Here's a funnier thing Mr. Dormer says they are junk and then he says LE did a thorough search on top end jewelry stores. It's the 7 part videos, links are in the media links only thread.


And Bittrolff being SK. Please stop it. Mr. Thomas Spota says he's clear, because the crime scenes don't resemble. Simple as that. What's so hard to understand? What do you think, DA's office must take a good vetting into Bittrolff's past to verify an actual alibi for him on the Gilgo murders?... Shame on you..

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Take that
1- Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases... Interesting!
2- JANE DOE HAD A TATTOO! That they never released! Somebody doesnt want this girl Id'ed! .... ooooh Hawkshaw will slap'em hard as he rightfully does.


Though you may say they made her sketch available... Those sketches... Can you really see much difference between the mom and the Jane Doe 2000 or the supposedly cross dressing Asian male prostitute looks like a sacred chinese warrior to you too? Did you take a look at the jewelry pictures, images that look like taken with a kitchen blender. I zoomed them in so much still I can't tell the pattern. Here's a funnier thing Mr. Dormer says they are junk and then he says LE did a thorough search on top end jewelry stores. It's the 7 part videos, links are in the media links only thread.

I could give wat fitzparick says he's an idiot. He could have released that tattoo back in 2000 and maybe gotten an ID like jessica taylor.
" Fitzpatrick and the homicide department are not considering the possibility of a connection between the cases, including the chance of a serial killer roaming the South Shore."

OBviously they were completely wrong as there clearly is A serial Killer and they knew they were lying they already had FI jane doe and Peaches so it's all outright lies.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

and my fav LISK related article: http://nypost.com/2003/11/11/nightmare-on-l-i-e-latest-nude-body-hints-at-serial-slay/
Nov. 10, 2003 in Manorville

In woods south of Long Island Expressway, near Toppings Path, three miles east of earlier Manorville crime scenes
Nude body found by mushroom hunter under leaves and branches.

that's the male from 2003 note the similarity to JT covered in branches. I vote yes dumped together...but A John?
"The mushroom hunter told The Post he thought the victim was a girl “because the feet were small.” He said he also didn’t see any fingers on the body, but thought they may have been buried under the brush."

Maybe a a guy dressed as a girl...or maybe a john. But wouldn't killing John's be somewhat random and you might easily catch a John with a wife and newborn at home to report him missing?

 

[Emre E]

and my fav LISK related article: http://nypost.com/2003/11/11/nightmare-on-l-i-e-latest-nude-body-hints-at-serial-slay/
Nov. 10, 2003 in Manorville

In woods south of Long Island Expressway, near Toppings Path, three miles east of earlier Manorville crime scenes
Nude body found by mushroom hunter under leaves and branches.

that's the male from 2003 note the similarity to JT covered in branches. I vote yes dumped together...but A John?
"The mushroom hunter told The Post he thought the victim was a girl “because the feet were small.” He said he also didn’t see any fingers on the body, but thought they may have been buried under the brush."

Maybe a a guy dressed as a girl...or maybe a john. But wouldn't killing John's be somewhat random and you might easily catch a John with a wife and newborn at home to report him missing?

These are good questions. If I had to choose I'd say both guys are Johns. Though still can't explain definitively why two men would never be reported missing.

 

[topratedsleuth]

...but one has to wonder why someone is addicted to/ obsessed maybe??

If we did that kind of wondering, we'd be wondering about lots of people here all the time. :thinking:

 

[topratedsleuth]

... although Fitzpatrick is still withholding the image of a tattoo located on the female victim for verification purposes if they ever get a call through Crimestoppers

Definitely seems like a bass ackwards way of trying to uncover a perp. I know that LE will keep some evidence from the public view so that they can verify wannabe confessions, but it seems counter-productive to withhold a photo that easily might ID someone.

 

[Emre E]

Definitely seems like a bass ackwards way of trying to uncover a perp. I know that LE will keep some evidence from the public view so that they can verify wannabe confessions, but it seems counter-productive to withhold a photo that easily might ID someone.

"Blue" for PC!

 

[LINative13]

TS did a lot of footwork on this case before most of you (including myself) even showed up here so please respect it. Was he hot on one person, absolutely. CPH is still not out of the ballgame for me, so you have atleast one person here who thinks CPH might know more than he is saying.

 

[Aleph]

These are good questions. If I had to choose I'd say both guys are Johns. Though still can't explain definitively why two men would never be reported missing.

Maybe they were drivers, possibly immigrants like MP. It seems that there are people in the business who are not quite pimps that might be viewed as more disposable, much like the escorts themselves.

Just conjecture.

 

[Emre E]

Maybe they were drivers, possibly immigrants like MP. It seems that there are people in the business who are not quite pimps that might be viewed as more disposable, much like the escorts themselves.

Just conjecture.

Your point of view is your point of view and I value that even though I don't agree.

Interesting thing is a strangled man and a butchered woman is found within a few days, within the same quarter of a mile radius and probably died in a very short time frame, if not on the same day

Police firmly denies the possibility of any connection between the victims without stating a single reason for that, withholds the picture of a tattoo for "verification purposes" (whatever that means) which is probably the only way to ID at least one of the victims (at least at that time/2000) ...

These are disturbing facts for me. I'm not saying further.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

And Bittrolff being SK. Please stop it. Mr. Thomas Spota says he's clear, because the crime scenes don't resemble. Simple as that. What's so hard to understand? What do you think, DA's office must take a good vetting into Bittrolff's past to verify an actual alibi for him on the Gilgo murders?... Shame on you..

Sorry just cause LE says there is no connection I don't buy it. They also said there's no connection between Jane and John Doe and they also said Shannan drowned her self. So LE is full of it, you really can't go off what they say.

 

[marble]

It really bothers me that the men are unidentified- knowing who they are could break the case or rule out their connection to the others.
I don't think they were Johns or Pimps, unless they were undocumented Johns or Pimps who either had families and friends here who were afraid to report them missing or else no families here at all.
If they worked any kind of steady job you'd think an employer or coworker would report at least one of them as missing.
I'm thinking that means that the men were probably in the sex trade and may have been estranged from their families long before they went missing. They may also have been immigrants, drug abusers, homeless, etc. It's just so strange that they haven't been linked to any missing persons yet.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

It really bothers me that the men are unidentified- knowing who they are could break the case or rule out their connection to the others.
I don't think they were Johns or Pimps, unless they were undocumented Johns or Pimps who either had families and friends here who were afraid to report them missing or else no families here at all.
If they worked any kind of steady job you'd think an employer or coworker would report at least one of them as missing.
I'm thinking that means that the men were probably in the sex trade and may have been estranged from their families long before they went missing. They may also have been immigrants, drug abusers, homeless, etc. It's just so strange that they haven't been linked to any missing persons yet.

I find it odd the males have no tattoos. Then again, they just might but Fitzpatrick decided to not disclose just in case someone miraculously could identify the males without any, picture, clothes, age estimate, anything. And he was put back on the case awhile back wasn't he?
John Doe '00 had surgical staples in his chin.

Males:

FOUND: Nov. 10, 2003 south of Long Island Expressway, Manorville White male, 35-50 years old, 5’6”. Died up to four months earlier.

FOUND: Nov. 23, 2000 between exits 68 and 69, south side of eastbound LIE

White or Hispanic male, 20-30 years old, 5’6”, 112 lbs, short black hair, has surgical staple possibly from a previous fracture, wearing M blue/white striped Gap boxers. Dead for about three weeks. NCIC#: U-660001512

and here are two more i feel are related also. FOUND: Dec. 24, 1999, Suffolk County

White male, 42-51 years old, stainless steel rod in back, severe scoliosis, right hand healed fracture. Black denim pants, black Nike sneakers. NCIC#: U-370001697

FOUND: Mar. 9, 2000 ½ mile east of Wolf Hill Road, Dix Hills, 50 feet off shoulder

White/Hispanic male, 25-45 years old, 5’8”–6’0”, 140 lbs, black hair, teeth missing. Dead up to two months. NCIC#: U-420000973

FOUND: May 20, 1998 across from 33 Leahy Street, Brentwood in overgrown sump

White male, 15-17 years old, white boxers with blue vertical stripes, green/black jacket size XL labeled “Alliance Down,” shirt with “Chicago” written on it, black hiking boots “Buffalo” brand USA size 8.5 yellow stud/post earring with green stone, white plastic rosary beads, green plastic key ring inscribed “Hands of Gold Jewelry,” a store in Copiague. Dead for up to six months. NCIC#: U-950001835

http://archive.longislandpress.com/2010/07/01/long-islands-unidentified-murder-victims/

here's a good video about the last manorville body found it shows the dump sites and Fitzpatrick:
http://abclocal.go.com//story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8590445

 

[LR1]

"On November 19th, 2000, hunters came across the decapitated body of a female that had been placed in garbage bags and left in a wooded area near Halsey-Manor Road in Manorville. Four days later and only a couple of miles away, a young male corpse was also discovered by hunters, approximately one-and-a-half miles east of the Shirley exit (68) on the Long Island Expressway. The man’s body, described as white or Hispanic, five-and-a-half to six feet tall, 130-150 pounds, with a surgical staple imbedded in his chin, was disrobed of all clothing save a pair of Gap boxer shorts. He was later revealed to have been a victim of strangulation. Both bodies were likely there for some time, particularly the female, who police believe was murdered as early as that September."

You might know this already but this male is in Namus but the 2003 one isn't. They have him at 5'6" 112lb. His injuries are described as "multiple traumatic injuries including crushed larynx" and looks like he had a previous neck injury and healed broken jaw. looks like he was found on the south side of the LIE.

http://identifyus.org/en/cases/2725

 

[LR1]

and my fav LISK related article: http://nypost.com/2003/11/11/nightmare-on-l-i-e-latest-nude-body-hints-at-serial-slay/
Nov. 10, 2003 in Manorville

In woods south of Long Island Expressway, near Toppings Path, three miles east of earlier Manorville crime scenes
Nude body found by mushroom hunter under leaves and branches.

that's the male from 2003 note the similarity to JT covered in branches. I vote yes dumped together...but A John?
"The mushroom hunter told The Post he thought the victim was a girl “because the feet were small.” He said he also didn’t see any fingers on the body, but thought they may have been buried under the brush."

Maybe a a guy dressed as a girl...or maybe a john. But wouldn't killing John's be somewhat random and you might easily catch a John with a wife and newborn at home to report him missing?

Have you found any follow up articles from that time period? I'm wondering what the autopsy revealed.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

Have you found any follow up articles from that time period? I'm wondering what the autopsy revealed.

I will look into that. On the namus you just linked it actually says found in North Shirley which is interesting and it also shows a photo of the skull with the teeth. it says "
mandibular intraosseous wire indicating healed fracture" which i guess are the surgical staples I have read about?

 

[LindsayLohan6]

This was the body the news video was about:
MANORVILLE, N.Y. --
Police on Long Island identified the body of a woman found in Manorville Park.

A man was also arrested for illegal dumping of human remains.

34-year-old Matthew Kraus had apparently injected heroin and taken Xanax along with 45-year-old Pura Simancas.

Simancas apparently died, and police say Kraus dumped her body in the woods sometime between February 27th and 28th.
http://abclocal.go.com//story?section=news/local/long_island&id=8590445&vid=8555045

However the body discovered shortly before that had been in the woods about 5 years and was a male.

 

[LR1]

Do we have a exact location where Colleen McNamee was found, it looks from what I gather she wasn't far from where the John Doe Nov/2000 was later found.

 

[LindsayLohan6]

That's a very interesting observation LR! I also noted earlier today that Megan Waterman disappeared from Express Drive South which is the road that Colleen was dumped on.