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[deedee21]

Don't they share the station with the life swimmers? Those have seasonal employees as well, I think.

They come from all over. Some have been there for decades. I think seasonal housing is on Fire Island.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

http://www.courant.com/news/breakin...killer-victim-sister-20120323,0,6856964.story

A few weeks later there came a break in the case. Investigators discovered that Brainard-Barnes' cellphone was apparently turned on, near Fire Island off Long Island, about three weeks after she went missing, Cann said. A Long Island connection had been made.


Not being a local, my knowledge of Fire Island is extremely limited, so any information a local can share would be very much appreciated.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

http://www.courant.com/news/breakin...killer-victim-sister-20120323,0,6856964.story

A few weeks later there came a break in the case. Investigators discovered that Brainard-Barnes' cellphone was apparently turned on, near Fire Island off Long Island, about three weeks after she went missing, Cann said. A Long Island connection had been made.


Not being a local, my knowledge of Fire Island is extremely limited, so any information a local can share would be very much appreciated.

why not start one - and we can throw ideas around for her.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

why not start one - and we can throw ideas around for her.

There are threads for all the victims, individually. But I posted that link here in this thread, because it's what prompted me to consider the Coast Guard angle many moons ago.

ETA: And I think I posted a link to that article in Maureen's thread a long time ago. If I didn't, I'm pretty sure someone else did.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

There are threads for all the victims, individually. But I posted that link here in this thread, because it's what prompted me to consider the Coast Guard angle many moons ago.

ETA: And I think I posted a link to that article in Maureen's thread a long time ago. If I didn't, I'm pretty sure someone else did.

pinged in massapequa ..cuz that is where the tower was back then.
now you are saying it pinged in fire island?
i'll read the article...and then..see what it says.

ok - it says NEAR fire island

"A few weeks later there came a break in the case. Investigators discovered that Brainard-Barnes' cellphone was apparently turned on, near Fire Island off Long Island, about three weeks after she went missing, Cann said. A Long Island connection had been made."

for some reason I had always read that it pinged in massapequa.
and again - it was pointed out to me that
that is because the tower was there.

they've added towers SINCE 2007

 

[Mountain_Kat]

pinged in massapequa ..cuz that is where the tower was back then.
now you are saying it pinged in fire island?
i'll read the article...and then..see what it says.

ok - it says NEAR fire island

"A few weeks later there came a break in the case. Investigators discovered that Brainard-Barnes' cellphone was apparently turned on, near Fire Island off Long Island, about three weeks after she went missing, Cann said. A Long Island connection had been made."

for some reason I had always read that it pinged in massapequa.
and again - it was pointed out to me that
that is because the tower was there.

they've added towers SINCE 2007

Melissa's phone was traced to a tower near Massapequa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In one instance, the police learned that Melissa Barthelemy’s phone had been turned on near Massapequa, on Long Island, and that someone had gained access to her voice mail

I don't recall ever hearing that Maureen's phone was traced to Massapequa. Every account I recalling seeing, except for the one I linked, simply said Long Island.

 

[deedee21]

Melissa's phone was traced to a tower near Massapequa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In one instance, the police learned that Melissa Barthelemy’s phone had been turned on near Massapequa, on Long Island, and that someone had gained access to her voice mail

Maureens sister said her sisters phone pinged off a tower in or near fire island. Maybe the area of Robert Moses 2 weeks after she went missing. It was at this time she was asked if her sister ever went to Long Island. She said no. LE told her in 2008 about hers sisters phone having a signal in 2007 shortly after she went missing.

 

[LINative13]

Maureens sister said her sisters phone pinged off a tower in or near fire island. Maybe the area of Robert Moses 2 weeks after she went missing. It was at this time she was asked if her sister ever went to Long Island. She said no. LE told her in 2008 about hers sisters phone having a signal in 2007 shortly after she went missing.

You guys have to remember....this is 2013. ALOT has changed since then in regards to cell towers. Up until a year ago (actually now that I think of it, maybe it still is true) if you were laying on gilgo beach (the ocean side) you would not get cell service.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Melissa's phone was traced to a tower near Massapequa.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/09/nyregion/09bodies.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

In one instance, the police learned that Melissa Barthelemy’s phone had been turned on near Massapequa, on Long Island, and that someone had gained access to her voice mail

I don't recall ever hearing that Maureen's phone was traced to Massapequa. Every account I recalling seeing, except for the one I linked, simply said Long Island.

give me 24 hours to sort thru stuff I have for mbb.
its only newspaper accounts...and the press...
can get stuff wrong...
but let's see....what i come up with

but...i always thought...

she went to nyc...the hotel on (46th? st?)
and ...someone tried to get into her cell phone messages
and the phone pinged on a tower in massapequa

(is most of that right...with the exception of the exact location?)
on long island?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Maureens sister said her sisters phone pinged off a tower in or near fire island. Maybe the area of Robert Moses 2 weeks after she went missing. It was at this time she was asked if her sister ever went to Long Island. She said no. LE told her in 2008 about hers sisters phone having a signal in 2007 shortly after she went missing.

Correct. And this area is not Massapequa. The nearest cell phone tower (that I can find) to the area Melissa describes is on Ocean Parkway, not far from Robert Moses Parkway. But I don't know when it was put there. I'd have to research that.

 

[Mountain_Kat]

You guys have to remember....this is 2013. ALOT has changed since then in regards to cell towers. Up until a year ago (actually now that I think of it, maybe it still is true) if you were laying on gilgo beach (the ocean side) you would not get cell service.

My point is that Melissa didn't simply make this up. She describes a specific area where the cell phone pinged. She could have simply said "On Long Island"...but that isn't what she said, is it? Nor did she say it pinged in Massapequa. So, there must have been a tower close to the area Melissa describes, or else, where would she get that information from?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Don't they share the station with the life swimmers? Those have seasonal employees as well, I think.

Great question, Peter. And one that never even occurred to me. Hopefully someone will provide the answer.

 

[Theforeigner]

Here is info on the MBB phone ping from the "Victim - Maureen Brainard-Barnes" thread page 16 post # 216, posted by inspctrgadget and me Aug 2012

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=8241486&highlight=pinged#post8241486

Originally Posted by inspctrgadget
meltruth,

Do you have any idea which exact cell tower Maureen's phone was "pinging" from in 2008? Which town at least?

http://nymag.com/news/features/long-...-6/index2.html
For three years, the NYPD had reported no trace of her—except, in 2008, for one cell-phone-signal ping off a Long Island tower, just a few miles from Gilgo Beach. “Someone was trying to access Maureen’s cell-phone voice-mail,” Cann says.

http://www.newsday.com/news/breaking...down-1.2950472

Brainard-Barnes did not return to Connecticut the following Monday, as she had promised, Cann said. She did call friends that day — her last contacts before going missing. “There was nothing distressful,” Cann said.

The next year, police contacted Cann and asked whether her sister had ever worked on Long Island. “Never,” Cann replied.

Police then told Cann a surprising detail: Her last cellphone call pinged a tower on the South Shore, Cann said.”

 

[Justiceforever]

why not start one - and we can throw ideas around for her.

There is most definately a thread for Maureen! I am surprised you aren't aware of it.

 

[Justiceforever]

Don't they share the station with the life swimmers? Those have seasonal employees as well, I think.

By life swimmers do you mean life guards. This is a good question!

 

[CriminalMinds]

****Building a twisted kind of relationship before striking is rare and as far as I know, limited to highly organized SKs with strong ritualistic aspects in the signature.***** While LISK is medium to high organized, I miss the ritualistic aspects here.

i tend to agree on this point, very rare....unlikely...but plausible

 

[LINative13]

I am beginnihg to think he does develop a relationship with them. Amber was his quickest mental offense I think. He makes sure these girls arent backed by any type of organization. Makes sure they are all depserate. He reads people well. Well enough in his last confirm Kill he was able to do it in less than 24 hours over the phon


one was a dope fiend, one jsut got robbed, one was under abusinve AK etc etc.

What do you guys think?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

I am beginnihg to think he does develop a relationship with them. Amber was his quickest mental offense I think. He makes sure these girls arent backed by any type of organization. Makes sure they are all depserate. He reads people well. Well enough in his last confirm Kill he was able to do it in less than 24 hours over the phon


one was a dope fiend, one jsut got robbed, one was under abusinve AK etc etc.

What do you guys think?

I don't know that I'd agree that all of his victims were desperate, per say, but I do agree that they all possessed weaknesses he was able to zero in on. DS once commented that he felt like LISK hunted these women...that he could smell them like a predator smells a dying gazelle (paraphrasing). In my mind, that analogy is so spot on it sends chills down my spine.

In the case of Melissa, we know that her pimp/boyfriend, JT, was physically abusive. If we are to believe JT, Melissa was no stranger to LI. According to him, she regularly hung out there with a girlfriend, who also worked as an escort, and an older white man whom she had become "chummy" with. And, according to him, she was very secretive about where she was going the night she disappeared. We also know, from Melissa's little sister, that her killer knew ALOT about Melissa. I don't, for one minute, believe LISK got all that information from Melissa's cell phone alone. He knew her and got her talking, imo. Sniffing out the dying gazelle, so to speak. It's no stretch to imagine that Melissa developed enough trust with this guy to discuss her dreams, her fears, her love for her little sister, her displeasure with her relationship with Terry, etc.

In the case of Megan, her boyfriend/pimp was also physically abusive. BY all accounts Megan genuinely loved the guy, but Megan was immature and niave, imo. AK played her like a fiddle. If memory serves, Megan had expressed hopes of AK marrying her...but we see THAT never happened. We also know that Megan came from the parent of an alcoholic, and herself drank. I think she desperately wanted to be loved. Dying gazelle. LISK could smell it from a mile away, imo.

In the case of Amber...the weaknesses are obvious. Not only was she a heroin addict, but she hated what she had to do to support that habit. And we know that when she was in Florida, she had spent alot of time trying to reconnect with her christian faith. How do you reconcile who you are with what you've become when the 2 are so different? In my opinion...Amber's self esteem was so low, she just gave up and stopped fighting. LISK probably didn't have to even bother to smell her...she was already on her last legs. It was obvious to anyone with 1/2 a brain. But the question is...DID he bother to court her, or was it a one shot deal? I think he did court her. We know that Amber turned down a "date" with someone who wanted her to meet him at the same Express Holiday Inn where Megan had gone missing. Now, we don't know that this person was LISK, but I'd bet you my farm that it was. And IF it was, Amber had at least talked to the guy BEFORE the day she went missing. For all we know, she might have seen him professionally prior to that last day, and simply not shared that with anyone. We just don't know.

In the case of Maureen...she had dreams of become a model. And, according to her sister, she only did escort work when she desperately needed money. The last weekend she was working, she desperately needed money, because she was about to be evicted. She had been robbed earlier in the day on the 9th(?), but had gotten the money back. Still, she was calling friends and family for a ride home, rather than take the train, because she didn't want to spend the money. We know that she had already checked out of her hotel room when she called looking for a ride home, so we can assume work was over in her mind. Unless, of course, she had planned to meet a client somewhere else, but that would have been VERY unusual for her, since she NEVER did outcalls. But according to Mel, Maureen did know alot of people in NY. I have no idea if these people were all friends, or if some of them were repeat clients, but let's assume for a moment that at least ONE of them was a repeat client. Would she have beared her soul to him? Told him she had fallen on hard times, was about to be evicted, needed a ride back to CT? I don't know. We know from Mel that Maureen was VERY chatty. It's not a stretch to assume she did know LISK and bore her soul to him.

ALL MOO (and no, I don't have a degree in psychology).

ETA: Pardon the sloppy writing. It's early and I'm only half way into my first cup of coffee.

 

[LINative13]

Thanks for the reply MK; definitely some good stuff in your post. Anyone else have any thoughts to what I said?

 

[Mountain_Kat]

Thanks for the reply MK; definitely some good stuff in your post. Anyone else have any thoughts to what I said?

Sorry for the length of the post, LIN. I usually try to keep my comments brief, but it was a broad question (and a damned good one) so I felt it deserved a thoughtful response.

I do hope others will weigh in, because it would be interesting to see what others are thinking with respect to this subject.