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[deedee21]

PS 149 MW also left her bag behind like AC

 

[deedee21]

Everone disappeared at night. DS said AC was on the phone and was hammering him up. If she left believing she would get 1500 for the night that would mean she was due back during daylight hours. Was she intercepted during daytime hours?

 

[Peter Brendt]

It was JT who said that Melissa had gotten chummy with an older guy on LI. So if you've "had this like a dozen times already", then you've had it wrong a dozen times.

Before you get all superior in tone with another poster, you might want to get YOUR facts straightened out, Peter. Just sayin'.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/16/long-island-serial-killer-a-victims-roommate-speaks.html

"felt comfortable with him" ... how could she if she didn't know him?

http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/04/17/terror-on-long-island.html ... called three or four times on Schaller's cell phone. So he had the number, he had some comfort ... and the police weren't able to track anything about that phone ... or just dismissed him and didn't tell the public.

Oh wow, some links still work. And yes, I transferred accidentally the term "chummy". I probably also used the terms "regular", "cell phone", "beach" in reference to more than one victim.
So, once more, and on the risk to be mod snipped again: Try again in two years, maybe the last articles are gone by them. Otherwise, we had this discussion several times over the last two years and there is still nothing that actually indicates, this guy was more than a John. But every time, I mention that, you go and try whether the links in the web dried up instead of dealing with the actual argument. I grow tired of it.

 

[Peter Brendt]

PS 149 MW also left her bag behind like AC

I didn't think about the bags. Which is a weird thing, because ...

... what do those girls carry in their bags (aside of a lot of other things)? Condoms for example?

To leave the business kit behind would indicate the knowledge, that the client has everything needed at hand anyway. Or, in the case of MW also the possibility, she didn't intend to meet with a client at all (remember the convenience store discussion?)

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

I didn't think about the bags. Which is a weird thing, because ...

... what do those girls carry in their bags (aside of a lot of other things)? Condoms for example?

To leave the business kit behind would indicate the knowledge, that the client has everything needed at hand anyway. Or, in the case of MW also the possibility, she didn't intend to meet with a client at all (remember the convenience store discussion?)

i must have been away on business and missed that conveninece store discussion.
was that everyone's (or most everyone's conclusion) that she was dashing out from her hotel room - to go to a convenience store...close by that no tell/mo tell?

 

[Peter Brendt]

i must have been away on business and missed that conveninece store discussion.
was that everyone's (or most everyone's conclusion) that she was dashing out from her hotel room - to go to a convenience store...close by that no tell/mo tell?

I forgot, which thread it was in, but bottom line, the lot next to the hotel in Haupauge was empty back then and it was kind of a short cut to a convenience store. MW smoked and allegedly had a sweet tooth as well, so that would be a viable option for example for a smoker out of small change. Problem is, that lot was pretty dark and therefore some kind of 1A ambush location.
Well, admittedly, it would also fit the behavioral aspects. Because if MW went to the store, the stalker could have concluded, she would come back the same way. And for most non-smokers, smokers out of smokes appear VERY vulnerable.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

I forgot, which thread it was in, but bottom line, the lot next to the hotel in Haupauge was empty back then and it was kind of a short cut to a convenience store. MW smoked and allegedly had a sweet tooth as well, so that would be a viable option for example for a smoker out of small change. Problem is, that lot was pretty dark and therefore some kind of 1A ambush location.
Well, admittedly, it would also fit the behavioral aspects. Because if MW went to the store, the stalker could have concluded, she would come back the same way. And for most non-smokers, smokers out of smokes appear VERY vulnerable.

thank you...

 

[deedee21]

We keep wondering why they left wthout phones. Mabe the answer is simple. They are complacent.

 

[Peter Brendt]

We keep wondering why they left wthout phones. Mabe the answer is simple. They are complacent.

I don't think so. Especially younger females feel so incomplete without 2W microwave radiating right through the ears in the brains nowadays. Ot, in other words, the probability that they forget their underwear is higher ... unless especially asked for. Which, as I heard, is not so unusual nowadays, since sometimes, in an hour, they get ten calls while at the John, which made cell phones quite unpopular with the clients.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

We keep wondering why they left wthout phones. Mabe the answer is simple. They are complacent.

every domestic violence shelter knows that an abuser
can track his victim via their cell phone

so....if a SK was booking a potential victim
he would DEFINITELY tell her to leave her phone behind
because she could be tracked...to her location...
or...even if SK took the phone from the girl
and threw it somewhere
the phone would be tracked...to its location
so the LE would know the last known location of the girl
while being killed
or prior to being killed

 

[Peter Brendt]

every domestic violence shelter knows that an abuser
can track his victim via their cell phone

so....if a SK was booking a potential victim
he would DEFINITELY tell her to leave her phone behind
because she could be tracked...to her location...
or...even if SK took the phone from the girl
and threw it somewhere
the phone would be tracked...to its location
so the LE would know the last known location of the girl
while being killed
or prior to being killed

True, but a blitz-attacker would first get the girl in a car, drive off and then throw the phone away. Which in this case, LISK messed already up once which caused this Massequawhatever ping (I can't spell that place to save my life). So yes, he would DEFINITIVELY, if he would contact them in the first place. And this request wouldn't appear to the girls that unusual since a lot of Johns ask the same thing for entirely legit reasons ... as far as anything is legit in this whole business anyway.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

True, but a blitz-attacker would first get the girl in a car, drive off and then throw the phone away. Which in this case, LISK messed already up once which caused this Massequawhatever ping (I can't spell that place to save my life). So yes, he would DEFINITIVELY, if he would contact them in the first place. And this request wouldn't appear to the girls that unusual since a lot of Johns ask the same thing for entirely legit reasons ... as far as anything is legit in this whole business anyway.

its not that he didnt want them to call for help
he didnt want their body being found
if the phone was on their person

BUT.....he could get the girl from her location
and toss the phone IMMEDIATELY...
therefore - the phone would be found....right there
but....that would indicate....something...was wrong
cuz...any normal person would retrace their steps to get their phone
immediately.....or...the next day

but..the phone might be picked up by some stranger and used
*didnt mbb have an extra phone that was picked up by someone else
in times square?*

nevertheless...it would be a red flag to LE.

but..if the phone was left in the hotel room (mw)
or...with DS (ahem cough cough)
instead of AC having a phone on her....

no chance of tracing the body....

so speaking of DS...WHY didnt he report AC missing?
he NEVER reported her missing. NEVER.
but...that being said
HE's been cleared by LE.

 

[Peter Brendt]

How do you know that Maureen was snatched from the bus terminal? Perhaps she finally found a ride with someone she knew (or thought she knew). Perhaps she recieved a call from a regular, offering a good deal of money, and she decided to take him up on the offer. There are alot of possibilities as to what could have happened. We don't know. But just because Maureen's last KNOWN location was the bus terminal doesn't neccesarily mean that that's where she encountered her killer. And I think we would serve Maureen better if we didn't fall into a pattern of making assumptions.

JMO

Last known position: Bus terminal
Last known intention: Going home
Needed to do that: A bus
Where goes a bus? At the bus terminal
Was she on a bus? Nobody saw her and if she would have been, she would have made it home probably, because at the time she could get a bus, it was already day, the bus would have had more people in it and so on ...

of course, we can construct. An UFO beamed her away and she was in fact not snatched at the bus terminal but on the Planet Transexual in the Galaxy of Transsylvania ... but what are the odds?

 

[Peter Brendt]

its not that he didnt want them to call for help
he didnt want their body being found
if the phone was on their person

BUT.....he could get the girl from her location
and toss the phone IMMEDIATELY...
therefore - the phone would be found....right there
but....that would indicate....something...was wrong
cuz...any normal person would retrace their steps to get their phone
immediately.....or...the next day

but..the phone might be picked up by some stranger and used
*didnt mbb have an extra phone that was picked up by someone else
in times square?*

nevertheless...it would be a red flag to LE.

but..if the phone was left in the hotel room (mw)
or...with DS (ahem cough cough)
instead of AC having a phone on her....

no chance of tracing the body....

so speaking of DS...WHY didnt he report AC missing?
he NEVER reported her missing. NEVER.
but...that being said
HE's been cleared by LE.

Yeah, it's about locating them at some point in the chain of events. But if I go through it for the two options, we discuss at the moment ...

The moment, he attacks
- option A, the stalker. He has all hands full at that moment, so he can get rid of that phone only a few minutes later when he has subdued the victim. And if the victim struggles on or he fears (maybe right, maybe wrong), someone has seen the whole stunt or heard something, he tries to get some distance to the attack site. Which means, the phone maybe would ping some miles away.

- option B, the homicidal John. Lets forget about all the other problems with that theory. He wouldn't attack if he would know, she has a phone. Therefore, he doesn't know. He can only find it when he searches her and her purse. Which he can only do after subduing her. But in that case, the phone would have pinged already for some time in a static position. However, he would maybe be clever enough to bring the still pinging phone to another place before smashing it. So the last ping is not the relevant one and if LE is stupid enough, they maybe miss the relevant location.

So, an hour or so after the attack, the phone would be destroyed or thrown away in an irrelevant location. Unless something goes really wrong. For example the victim struggles more than expected. The phone falls in some cracks. Something like that.
Now, the homicidal John would have that crack at home. LE would have found him, this story would be long over. Butin the case of a stalker, blitz-attacking and driving off with the subdued victim, the phone would be most likely in the car and thus on the move. Till he finds it. We would see in case of a stalker pings from the victim's phone near to the abduction site, on the way from the abduction site to the kill site (which would appear as the odd data points) and, if things go really bad wrong, all his way around till the batteries are empty in case, he doesn't find the phone. So, we have Massethingybums and that is surely an odd data point.

 

[OnTheCase27]

its not that he didnt want them to call for help
he didnt want their body being found
if the phone was on their person

BUT.....he could get the girl from her location
and toss the phone IMMEDIATELY...
therefore - the phone would be found....right there
but....that would indicate....something...was wrong
cuz...any normal person would retrace their steps to get their phone
immediately.....or...the next day

but..the phone might be picked up by some stranger and used
*didnt mbb have an extra phone that was picked up by someone else
in times square?*

nevertheless...it would be a red flag to LE.

but..if the phone was left in the hotel room (mw)
or...with DS (ahem cough cough)
instead of AC having a phone on her....

no chance of tracing the body....

so speaking of DS...WHY didnt he report AC missing?
he NEVER reported her missing. NEVER.
but...that being said
HE's been cleared by LE.

He states he called KO the next day.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

He states he called KO the next day.

how come?

 

[OnTheCase27]

how come?

Because that's her sister. Maybe it wasn't that unusual for Amber to go missing for a day or two. I can't tell you anything factual I can only speculate.

 

[To Kill a Mockingbird]

Because that's her sister. Maybe it wasn't that unusual for Amber to go missing for a day or two. I can't tell you anything factual I can only speculate.

reported her missing

ever.

 

[OnTheCase27]

reported her missing

ever.

Your absolutely correct. And as sad as it is that her own sister didn't report her missing that's the grim reality.

 

[OnTheCase27]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/04/16/long-island-serial-killer-a-victims-roommate-speaks.html

"felt comfortable with him" ... how could she if she didn't know him?

It actually describes the caller as a stranger in the sentence prior.

"In Costello and Schaller's system, an "incall" was preferable to an "outcall," but after the stranger called several times that evening, Schaller tells Newsweek's Christine Pelisek, Amber "felt comfortable with him." So after the the final call at 10:30—and the settlement on the unusually high price of $1,500—Amber left the modest gray-shingled house she shared with Schaller in West Babylon, New York, wearing a pink hoodie and jeans."