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[deedee21]

Missing from NJ. Bum Sub was last seen at the Port Authority Dec 18 2010. He lived in Fort Lee.

 

[giagreen]

LE was trying to find the identity of the male victim on OP. Click onto the link in post 881. Theres a pic of a Asian man that is missing.

I see what your saying now. As for peaches I was thinking maybe she is from Georgia. Most the time tattoo's have some type of meaning to the person getting them. Just a thought if Georgia was her home state or something.

 

[Aleph]

I see what your saying now. As for peaches I was thinking maybe she is from Georgia. Most the time tattoo's have some type of meaning to the person getting them. Just a thought if Georgia was her home state or something.

Could be. The tattoo was actually of a heart-shaped peach, believed to be a unique design. It's more suggestive than I remembered. From New York's Cold Cases:

The body of a womans torso was located on June 28, 1997 in Hempstead, New York. Police do not have much to go on except that she was black or biracial and had a picture of this two inch tattoo of peach shaped like a heart with a bite taken out of it and two drops falling. The tattoo was on the deceased womans breast. Police eventually located a tattoo artist out of Bristol, Connecticut who claimed to have created that tattoo for a woman prior to 1997.

 

[Just K]

I've often felt Peaches, Cherries, Tanya Rush, 1996 Fire Island legs and the four bodies found in Manorville are all connected.

 

[giagreen]

I've often felt Peaches, Cherries, Tanya Rush, 1996 Fire Island legs and the four bodies found in Manorville are all connected.

Me too, I also found it interesting that Cherries and JT were both found just about 50 min from GB4 one in each direction.

 

[AstroKitty]

totally random, and may not at all be connected with NY(C) - but there's a case of a "jane doe" who was found basically in the sewer - but pieces of the person and their tattoo was cut up. The pieces of the tattoos weren't all there, so the cops put what they could together and asked the public if they recognized the tattoo. i know the case is on here somewhere (in the unidentified I believe). This is such a pointless topic to bring up unless it IS from NYC. The reason i thought of it, is because JT's (right?) tattoo was purposely made to be unidentifiable. A lot of killers will do this, in the hopes the body will take longer to be identified. But, when I think about it - those cases tend to be of people murdered by people they know. And if it takes longer to identify them - then it may not come back to the suspect.

I just can't see a serial killer taking away identifying marks, if there's witnesses or personal connection which ties them to the victim. I'm not as well versed as others are when it comes to these types of crimes. Are there known serial killers (those that are caught and identified as such) who've taken away distinguishing marks when they didn't know the victim or could be tied to them?

 

[PickleChris]

That's a very good point you raise. Who cares if the body is identified? Only someone that has a connection to that person.

 

[giagreen]

totally random, and may not at all be connected with NY(C) - but there's a case of a "jane doe" who was found basically in the sewer - but pieces of the person and their tattoo was cut up. The pieces of the tattoos weren't all there, so the cops put what they could together and asked the public if they recognized the tattoo. i know the case is on here somewhere (in the unidentified I believe). This is such a pointless topic to bring up unless it IS from NYC. The reason i thought of it, is because JT's (right?) tattoo was purposely made to be unidentifiable. A lot of killers will do this, in the hopes the body will take longer to be identified. But, when I think about it - those cases tend to be of people murdered by people they know. And if it takes longer to identify them - then it may not come back to the suspect.

I just can't see a serial killer taking away identifying marks, if there's witnesses or personal connection which ties them to the victim. I'm not as well versed as others are when it comes to these types of crimes. Are there known serial killers (those that are caught and identified as such) who've taken away distinguishing marks when they didn't know the victim or could be tied to them?

Sean Vincent Gillis had gouged out one of his victims tattoos in 2004.

 

[giagreen]

I have also read of other serial killers who have done things to cut or gouge out a victims tattoo. And I remember reading in two cases with two different serial killers who had both gouged out a victims tattoo both had also cut off the women's nipples. So I don't really think it's so much trying to hide the identity of a victim.

 

[giagreen]

To Astrokitty
I've actually got a question for you. Have you ever well escorting encountered a man regular or not who had become obsessed with you? Or have known any of your friends in the business who have? If so how common was that to happen?

 

[genericwhitemale]

So I don't really think it's so much trying to hide the identity of a victim.

Disagree. He was buying time with that move.


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[giagreen]

Disagree. He was buying time with that move.


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Guess I am not really sure what you mean? Are you talking about buying time with the mutilation part or gouging out the tattoo?

 

[deedee21]

Guess I am not really sure what you mean? Are you talking about buying time with the mutilation part or gouging out the tattoo?

The first step in finding a killer is identifying the victim.

 

[giagreen]

The first step in finding a killer is identifying the victim.

Obviously. That was not even what I was talking about.

 

[genericwhitemale]

The first step in finding a killer is identifying the victim.

This.


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[giagreen]

This.


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Okay but if he was trying to hide her identity by gouging out the tattoo then why leave the hands and head?
He also killed 7 women before her and even leaving a few in the their apartments. I agree most killers would gouge a tattoo out to hide the identity but with this guy I think he was just into messing with the body.

 

[deedee21]

Okay but if he was trying to hide her identity by gouging out the tattoo then why leave the hands and head?
He also killed 7 women before her and even leaving a few in the their apartments. I agree most killers would gouge a tattoo out to hide the identity but with this guy I think he was just into messing with the body.

He did not leave her head. Only her torso. Her head was found 15 years later on OP.

 

[giagreen]

He did not leave her head. Only her torso. Her head was found 15 years later on OP.

How was her head found 15 years later when he had killed her in 2004? I think we are talking about two diffrent guys here.

 

[deedee21]

How was her head found 15 years later when he had killed her in 2004? I think we are talking about two diffrent guys here.

Your right. There was legs found on Fire Island.15 years yrs. later the rest of the remains were found on OP. The amount of time the victims were on OP range from 3 months to 15 years.

 

[CriminalMinds]

She was left on a pile of branches and/or tree debri...IIRC.

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