Premeditated?

[chlban]

Expanding upon what I said here, one would think that the secrets of the family's private life would not be able to be maintained under the scrutiny of an extensive LE investigation and that would normally be true, unless the family had help from outside the family to maintain those secrets. In this case, we have seen multiple examples where the efforts of LE to get access to information was hindered and obstructed. The Boulder DA's office did this repeatedly, among others. This suggests a conspiracy to keep certain activities hidden which involved not only the Ramsey family but also others in the community who would be exposed if the these secrets were revealed. JB's murder may have happened during a hidden activity that could not be publicly exposed, an activity that involved not only the Ramsey family but others. Some of those people who were called over early on the morning of 12-26 would be some to be looked at very closely, but not only them. The amount of obstruction seen in this case suggests a much larger cover up.

You just lost me. I believe that AH was a wimp and his entire career supports that. I also belive the BPD was way over their heads with a child murder and that Linda Arndt was so far over her head it was pathetic.

I think Steve Thomas did a good job, but the mistakes made the first day have overshadowed this case and always will. Generally, I think there was a fair amount of incompetence and a whole lot of intimidation by a wealthy family and their excellent legal team.

I do not believe there was a conspiracy in any accepted sense of the word.

I also think the one overriding problem with this case remains the same today as it did on 12/26/1996. Reading the threads on this very board would demonstrate that problem quite well. LE knew there was no intruder. What they did not know, just like the rest of us, is what Ramsey actually killed her, and what the circumstances were. Without a confession, I don't believe they could have gotten a conviction. Too much reasonable doubt. Not as to RDI, but as to which Ramsey did it.

 

[DeDee]

DeDee,
JonBenet might never have set foot in the basement. She most likely left the pineapple snack for either another R's bedroom or her own? Why because she was wearing her hair tied up in assymetric ponytails. Someone did them for her, most likely PR.

JonBenet was left in the basement and upstairs was cleaned up so that everyone would think she was assaulted down in the basement.

She may have been ligature asphyxiated upstairs prior to being relocated to the wine-cellar.

We only have forensic evidence to demonstrate that the paintbrush was probably added on the basement floor!

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Hi, UKGuy.

Please note that it is a strong desire to see this active cold case solved. To that end, each suspect must be eliminated until the only one(s) left are guilty of the murder, or killing, if you prefer. A strict, and as precise as possible, timeline and CS photographic evidence are crucial. Other than the chronic and acute physical trauma endured by this young victim, the RN is perhaps the most enlightening piece of evidence but that is for another thread.

She most likely left the pineapple snack for either another R's bedroom or her own? Why because she was wearing her hair tied up in assymetric ponytails.

Astute observation. Can we determine when the asymmetrical ponytails were styled? Could JB's hair have been styled before she nibbled on the sweet pineapple treat?

JonBenet was left in the basement and upstairs was cleaned up so that everyone would think she was assaulted down in the basement.

Please remind me. What part of the upstairs was cleaned of evidence?

In JonBenet's bedroom someone did not clean:

1. the body elimination smeared on a box of chocolates.
2. a red stained pillowcase on her bed.
3. the stench of dried urine on her bed sheets.
4. the brown paper bag fibers from her bed.
5. the knife at the laundry area around the corner from her bedroom.
   

She may have been ligature asphyxiated upstairs prior to being relocated to the wine-cellar.

Livor mortis starts twenty minutes to three hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in four to five hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6–12 hours.
- wikipedia

Hence, there was not much time between her death and the ability to carry, slide, drag or otherwise move or transport JonBenet without interrupting the lividity process; therefore, narrowing the window of this opportunity.

 

[DeDee]

I don't think it would have taken that long, DeDee. Strangulation of an adult usually lasts about that long -- 5 minutes at the outside -- as long as steady and strong pressure are used.

JB was already debilitated as a result of the blunt force trauma of the head wound -- if it ocurred 1st, which I think it did. It's possible, however, that it could have lasted that long if the one doing the asphyxiation was weak or afraid or hesitant (and let's hope not for little JB's sake).

I also found a chart of shoe & clothing sizes for children -- it might help us narrow down BR's shoe size (prolly between size 3 and 5) and height (prolly not 5 feet tall yet).

see http://www.childrensalon.com/size-guide/

And if BR did hear something during the night, he may well have faked being asleep the next morning -- certainly if he heard her scream -- I certainly would have at that age. Plus since no one came to wake him up early to leave, that may have scared him even more. That is IF he had nothing to do with the goings-on the night before. (And I think he did, IMO).

And thanks for your post and for the picture, DeDee. He still looks a lot like a little boy, doesn't he? I didn't know -- or have forgotten (!) -- that he saw a psychiatrist for 2 years after the event. Hmmmm. That says lots, IMO.

Dem, my hat is tipped to you for providing the age/size chart. The helpful link now resides in my favorite places.

According to the chart, the owner of the size 8 1/2 Hi-Tech print in the wine cellar should be well over the age of sixteen. Obviously, this does not eliminate BR from being present in the basement; only that the Hi-Tech print does not belong to him.

At 6yo, JonBenet likely wore a size 6 in clothing and size 12 shoe while Burke, at 9yo, nearly ten, likely wore a size 10 in clothing and a size 3 - 5 shoe. BR was 9 - 12" taller than his sister at her TOD. They were both of thin to normal stature.

According to their interviews, JonBenet's pediatrician supplied/provided Patsy with prescription medications and Burke's psychiatrist was the physician who prescribed drugs to JR following the death of his daughter.

In high school, BR averaged a B+ and performed on the swim team. BR did well in college, exiting with gainful employment in the field of IT. His most recent girlfriend closely resembles an age-progressed image of JonBenet.

The image below is otg's and shared from otg's post http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=10167198&postcount=51]

Although statistics would prove it to be rare, the physical and psychological requirements to perform the grueling task of the strangulation asphyxiation, the painful sexual assault, and the despicable skull fracture, that ran the entire length of JonBenet's head in Dec. '96, could possibly be attributed to a 9yom.

Is it a stretch to conclude that only one person hit her head with deadly force and that same person placed a ligature garrote around her throat? To agree with that particular statement may indicate that there is no way BR killed his sister unless it was premeditated for a much longer amount of time than simply hearing her scream. If it is at this point when a parent, or both, becomes involved, how is it then decided so hastily that a ligature with a garrote and a RN is the way to go about making the crime appear to be an IDI?

The killer screwed up by not taking into consideration the duct that led to the home's SE corner exterior where the shrill, piercing scream awakened the neighbor from a light sleep. Her husband, who was beside her, then heard the sound of metal scraping against concrete.

Not because it fits any particular theory do I sincerely believe JonBenet screamed, thus, rattling the killer. Not to the point that the head blow necessarily occurs but she was in the extreme corner of the basement in a windowless room where it was NEVER intended for anyone to hear a sound from her struggling resistance. A study of the R floor plan tells us that much.

There is an image, unavailable to me at the moment, that depicts the duct that carried the sound of her scream into the outdoors that is not shown in the floor plan linked below. Ever the performer, for seven hours, Patsy remained hysterical in the sunroom directly over the windowless hellhole where her daughter's body was located. And she knew it. She wrote the RN. Without a doubt, for those seven hours, she knew JonBenet lay beneath her in the hellhole down below.


http://braveheart.users4.50megs.com/ramsey/exploded_view.htm

 

[Mama2JML]

Mama2JML,
Well from memory Coroner Meyer had to cut JonBenet's hair, precisely because it was attached inside the knot?

...on the posterior aspect of the neck. I agree, hair was obviously incorporated into this knot, on the neck.

I am referring to the "garrote" knot; the cord wrapped around the paintbrush. Hair is wrapped around the the knot on the handle, and twisted around the handle itself. The hair is tangled independent of the knot on the wooden stick. The garrote handle was manipulated considerably AFTER the device was constructed. Why? What caused this? Staging does not necessitate actual use of the device such that JonBenet's hair would be caught up, twisted, tangled, and removed from her scalp.

Many have voiced this opinion, including those that considered the paintbrush handle/ligature to be a working Erotic Asphyxiation device?

It may have played some role in causing JonBenet to become unconcious, possibly JonBenet was to be staged hanging with the handle acting as an height attachment.

The blanket, size-12's, paintbrush handle, longjohns, etc all seem to be strange elements in what purports to be a staged crime-scene.

Unless you consider it the result of more than one staging reached by stepwise refinement?

These elements aren't necessarily staged. The blanket may have come from JonBenet's bed, carried with her, to the basement. The size 12s may have replaced the other panties she had worn to the Whites. The perp might have taken the original panties as a souvenir. They were not collected by LE, AFAIK. ...&, the long johns, I'm not sure how you consider this element indicative of staging.

 

[Anyhoo]

The size 12s may have replaced the other panties she had worn to the Whites. The perp might have taken the original panties as a souvenir. They were not collected by LE, AFAIK. ...&, the long johns, I'm not sure how you consider this element indicative of staging.

Assuming IDI as I know you are, where do you think the intruder would get the size 12 panties?

 

[DeDee]

I don't think it would have taken that long, DeDee. Strangulation of an adult usually lasts about that long -- 5 minutes at the outside -- as long as steady and strong pressure are used.

JB was already debilitated as a result of the blunt force trauma of the head wound -- if it ocurred 1st, which I think it did. It's possible, however, that it could have lasted that long if the one doing the asphyxiation was weak or afraid or hesitant (and let's hope not for little JB's sake).

[snipped by me]
IMO.

From p. 15 of James Kolar's Foreign Faction book:

The injury to her brain was serious, and for all intents and purposes, she gave the appearance of being dead. But that eventually was determined not to be the case. Her heart continued to beat for what was estimated by pathologists to be another ninety (90) minutes, slowly filling her cranium with blood. Due to the lethality of the blow to her head, however, it is unlikely that she ever regained consciousness.


Even if barely conscious, an hour and a half is a long time to wait between the lethal head injury and the strangulation asphyxiation to occur.

 

[Mama2JML]

Assuming IDI as I know you are, where do you think the intruder would get the size 12 panties?

The "oversized" panties may have been the original panties, worn by JonBenet, to the White's party.

 

[UKGuy]

Hi, UKGuy.

Please note that it is a strong desire to see this active cold case solved. To that end, each suspect must be eliminated until the only one(s) left are guilty of the murder, or killing, if you prefer. A strict, and as precise as possible, timeline and CS photographic evidence are crucial. Other than the chronic and acute physical trauma endured by this young victim, the RN is perhaps the most enlightening piece of evidence but that is for another thread.




Astute observation. Can we determine when the asymmetrical ponytails were styled? Could JB's hair have been styled before she nibbled on the sweet pineapple treat?



Please remind me. What part of the upstairs was cleaned of evidence?

In JonBenet's bedroom someone did not clean:

1. the body elimination smeared on a box of chocolates.
2. a red stained pillowcase on her bed.
3. the stench of dried urine on her bed sheets.
4. the brown paper bag fibers from her bed.
5. the knife at the laundry area around the corner from her bedroom.
   

Livor mortis starts twenty minutes to three hours after death and is congealed in the capillaries in four to five hours. Maximum lividity occurs within 6–12 hours.
- wikipedia

Hence, there was not much time between her death and the ability to carry, slide, drag or otherwise move or transport JonBenet without interrupting the lividity process; therefore, narrowing the window of this opportunity.

DeDee,

Astute observation. Can we determine when the asymmetrical ponytails were styled? Could JB's hair have been styled before she nibbled on the sweet pineapple treat?

JonBenet's hair could have been styled before leaving for the White's, but I doubt it, asymmetric ponytails wth different colors of tie, mmm, I doubt that would have gone down well with PR's appearance standards, never mind JonBenet's. Photographs from the White's party exist to confirm or disconfirm this view.

They could have been styled prior or after the pineapple snack, you decide. It all seems pretty normal to me, definitely not staged since the R's say they put JonBenet directly to bed, so she should have no ponytails?

Please remind me. What part of the upstairs was cleaned of evidence?

Well I was not present. But the part that was cleaned was, by definition, the part I do not know about, so that might be BR's bedroom, hello primary crime-scene, JonBenet's bedroom, i.e. potential primary and secondary crime-scene, JAR's bedroom, the parents bedroom, choose one to suit your preferred theory.

In JonBenet's bedroom someone did not clean:

1. the body elimination smeared on a box of chocolates.
2. a red stained pillowcase on her bed.
3. the stench of dried urine on her bed sheets.
4. the brown paper bag fibers from her bed.
5. the knife at the laundry area around the corner from her bedroom.

1. 
   There is no smoking gun in the above list.
   
   

   Livor Mortis ...
   
   Hence, there was not much time between her death and the ability to carry, slide, drag or otherwise move or transport JonBenet without interrupting the lividity process; therefore, narrowing the window of this opportunity.

   Yet there was sufficient time to allow the events I have suggested without any material impact on lividity. The theory I have outlined is intended to be a basic skeleton that explains JonBenet's death. You can tailor it to suit any of the other RDI theories since the same events require an explanation.
   
   JonBenet may have been asphyxiated downstairs in the basement, but knowing this does not detract or inform other elements of her death, since the Coroner states she was asphyxiated in his Autopsy Report.
   
   I've split the theory for ease of handling into two parts 1. Upstairs: sexual assault and asphyxiation; 2. Downstairs: Staging.
   
   This is not to say no staging took place upstairs, but I'm confident no sexual assault took place in the basement. The R's had many spare rooms upstairs, and JonBenet did not like the basement.
   
   
   
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[UKGuy]

From p. 15 of James Kolar's Foreign Faction book:

The injury to her brain was serious, and for all intents and purposes, she gave the appearance of being dead. But that eventually was determined not to be the case. Her heart continued to beat for what was estimated by pathologists to be another ninety (90) minutes, slowly filling her cranium with blood. Due to the lethality of the blow to her head, however, it is unlikely that she ever regained consciousness.


Even if barely conscious, an hour and a half is a long time to wait between the lethal head injury and the strangulation asphyxiation to occur.

DeDee,
During this interval lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth can take place as well as a cleanup or preparatory staging, including the abandonment of upstairs as a crime-scene in favor of the basement, where evidence such as the bloodstained Pink Barbie Nightgown containing BR's touch-dna can be dumped?

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[UKGuy]

...on the posterior aspect of the neck. I agree, hair was obviously incorporated into this knot, on the neck.

I am referring to the "garrote" knot; the cord wrapped around the paintbrush. Hair is wrapped around the the knot on the handle, and twisted around the handle itself. The hair is tangled independent of the knot on the wooden stick. The garrote handle was manipulated considerably AFTER the device was constructed. Why? What caused this? Staging does not necessitate actual use of the device such that JonBenet's hair would be caught up, twisted, tangled, and removed from her scalp.These elements aren't necessarily staged. The blanket may have come from JonBenet's bed, carried with her, to the basement. The size 12s may have replaced the other panties she had worn to the Whites. The perp might have taken the original panties as a souvenir. They were not collected by LE, AFAIK. ...&, the long johns, I'm not sure how you consider this element indicative of staging.

Mama2JML,
I have discussed this topic many many times, and the majority view is that the paintbrush handle was added to the ligature after she was asphyxiated.

If the ligature/paintbrush had been used as advertised, its unlikely you would have such a uniform circumferential furrow, i.e. it might be more elliptical, and JonBenet's hair would be pulled out at the roots, and her hair at the front would not by lying, as it fell, so naturally under the ligature, i.e. there would be more disarray.

You must explain how the Intruder knows where to find the size-12's and why he wishes to redress JonBenet and hide the remaining pairs of size-12's so that the police cannot find them?

JonBenet's clothing is a mix of uncoordinated items that make no sense unless viewed as the culmination of previous staging and cleanups?

.

 

[Mama2JML]

Mama2JML,
I have discussed this topic many many times, and the majority view is that the paintbrush handle was added to the ligature after she was asphyxiated.

If the ligature/paintbrush had been used as advertised, its unlikely you would have such a uniform circumferential furrow, i.e. it might be more elliptical, and JonBenet's hair would be pulled out at the roots, and her hair at the front would not by lying, as it fell, so naturally under the ligature, i.e. there would be more disarray.

You must explain how the Intruder knows where to find the size-12's and why he wishes to redress JonBenet and hide the remaining pairs of size-12's so that the police cannot find them?

We don't know that JonBenet was redressed in size 12s. She may have worn the oversized panties to the Whites.

Assuming RDI, if JonBenet was redressed in the size 12s for staging purposes, why didn't Mrs. Ramsey support this element of staging & claim the panties were brought in by the "intruder"?

Patsy Ramsey, 08.2000:

"Q. And you understand the reason we are asking this, we want to make sure that this intruder did not bring these panties with him, this was something --
A. Right.
Q. - that was in the house.
A. Yes.
Q. And we are clear that, as far as you know, that is something that was in this house?
A. Yes.
Q. -- that belonged to your daughter, these panties?
A. Correct."​

JonBenet's clothing is a mix of uncoordinated items that make no sense unless viewed as the culmination of previous staging and cleanups?

.

I don't understand why this makes no sense to you:
JonBenet was asleep and she happened to be wearing a long sleeved t-shirt. Mrs. Ramsey decided not to wake JonBenet in order to coordinate her overnight attire, so she left the t-shirt on her sleeping daughter. She removed the black velvet "jeans" & replaced them with thermal long-johns.

 

[UKGuy]

We don't know that JonBenet was redressed in size 12s. She may have worn the oversized panties to the Whites.

Assuming RDI, if JonBenet was redressed in the size 12s for staging purposes, why didn't Mrs. Ramsey support this element of staging & claim the panties were brought in by the "intruder"?

Patsy Ramsey, 08.2000:

"Q. And you understand the reason we are asking this, we want to make sure that this intruder did not bring these panties with him, this was something --
A. Right.
Q. - that was in the house.
A. Yes.
Q. And we are clear that, as far as you know, that is something that was in this house?
A. Yes.
Q. -- that belonged to your daughter, these panties?
A. Correct."​

I don't understand why this makes no sense to you:
JonBenet was asleep and she happened to be wearing a long sleeved t-shirt. Mrs. Ramsey decided not to wake JonBenet in order to coordinate her overnight attire, so she left the t-shirt on her sleeping daughter. She removed the black velvet "jeans" & replaced them with thermal long-johns.

Mama2JML,
What! And missed the size-12 underwear she wore to the Whites?

The Pink Barbie Nightgown makes sense to me it is bed-clothing. The rest is not!

the Ramsey's version of events has been compromised by evidence of the pineapple snack and BR's version of events, not discounting his role during the 911 call, further undermines the Ramsey's version.

Assuming RDI, if JonBenet was redressed in the size 12s for staging purposes, why didn't Mrs. Ramsey support this element of staging & claim the panties were brought in by the "intruder"?

Patsy Ramsey, 08.2000:

"Q. And you understand the reason we are asking this, we want to make sure that this intruder did not bring these panties with him, this was something --
A. Right.
Q. - that was in the house.
A. Yes.
Q. And we are clear that, as far as you know, that is something that was in this house?
A. Yes.
Q. -- that belonged to your daughter, these panties?
A. Correct."​

Lots of ink has been spilled over this topic. I reckon PR was ignorant about the size-12's, i.e. someone other than PR redressed JonBenet in those size-12's?

Patsy purchased those size-12's in Bloomingdales for her niece charged to her account, so they were hers not JonBenet's.

No Intruder would bring a clean pair of size-12's specifically to molest, kill then asphyxiate JonBenet, why bother, after all the Intruder intended to remove JonBenet from the premises, so what are the size-12's for? A totally bizarre suggestion!

The Ramsey's version of events is at variance with the forensic evidence!


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[Mama2JML]

Mama2JML,
What! And missed the size-12 underwear she wore to the Whites?

Sure.

The Pink Barbie Nightgown makes sense to me it is bed-clothing. The rest is not!

So? Are you kidding me? It's not like she was wearing a raincoat and hiking boots!

the Ramsey's version of events has been compromised by evidence of the pineapple snack and BR's version of events, not discounting his role during the 911 call, further undermines the Ramsey's version.

No, no, not so...

Lots of ink has been spilled over this topic. I reckon PR was ignorant about the size-12's, i.e. someone other than PR redressed JonBenet in those size-12's?

Patsy purchased those size-12's in Bloomingdales for her niece charged to her account, so they were hers not JonBenet's.

This made me giggle.

No Intruder would bring a clean pair of size-12's specifically to molest, kill then asphyxiate JonBenet, why bother, after all the Intruder intended to remove JonBenet from the premises, so what are the size-12's for? A totally bizarre suggestion!

...something we agree on.

The Ramsey's version of events is at variance with the forensic evidence!


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I don't think I could possibly disagree more.

 

[Anti-K]

From the AR: hair is entwined in the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck as well as in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick.

Hair is entwined. Where? “In the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck.” Where else? Hair is entwined “in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick.”

The cord is “wrapped around the wooden stick.” The cord is wrapped around the wooden stick and it is entwined in the victim’s hair.

When the killer closes his hand around the handle he necessarily closes his hand around the victim’s hair. When he pulls the handle to tighten the ligature - rapidly, forcefully (like the pull-start on a lawnmower) - he also pulls the victim’s hair.

How much of the hair that we see in the crime scene photos is actually entwined in the “cord wrapped around the wooden stick?” I don’t know, the pictures aren’t good enough to say, but I would guess a rather small percentage.

..

As far as I know the victim being changed into fresh panties, etc is primarily forum conjecture. The panties she had on were large, but not clean or fresh; they had urine and blood on them and so she was obviously wearing them before as well as after death; she was wearing them before she was assaulted and before her bladder emptied. Why change them before she was assaulted?
...

AK

 

[DeDee]

DeDee,
During this interval lots of wailing and gnashing of teeth can take place as well as a cleanup or preparatory staging, including the abandonment of upstairs as a crime-scene in favor of the basement, where evidence such as the bloodstained Pink Barbie Nightgown containing BR's touch-dna can be dumped?

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Originally Posted by DeDee View Post
From p. 15 of James Kolar's Foreign Faction book:

The injury to her brain was serious, and for all intents and purposes, she gave the appearance of being dead. But that eventually was determined not to be the case. Her heart continued to beat for what was estimated by pathologists to be another ninety (90) minutes, slowly filling her cranium with blood. Due to the lethality of the blow to her head, however, it is unlikely that she ever regained consciousness.


Even if barely conscious, an hour and a half is a long time to wait between the lethal head injury and the strangulation asphyxiation to occur.

When stating the 90 minutes as being a long time to wait between the lethal head injury and the strangulation asphyxiation to occur, it was in reference to the young victim waiting that length of time. We do not know what kind of fear or pain she may have felt. We do not know what might have been said to her during this calm before the ligature is pulled too tightly.

The killer had plenty of time to take care of a little business while the little girl lay dying. Especially if it was premeditated.

 

[Scandigirl]

I know that there is much debate and different opinions about whether JB's murder was premeditated or not. People fall into either camp in terms of what they believe, and others (like me!) may have suspicions of pre meditation, or be open to the possibility, but are really not sure. Just wondered- would anyone think it might be helpful to start a list of which factors may indicate pre meditation, and which may not?

Thinking about this, a huge problem in this case is that many factors are open to interpreting either way, but still important to consider, as either way, they might just mean something!

Just to start off:

PRE MEDITATED? NOT PLANNED?

Christmas Day significance? That date being Tragic unplanned timing.
put on JB's headstone?

Ransom note possibly written before, and being Written afterwards.
so long?

Early trip the next morning planned as get-away Irrelevant coincidence.
excuse?

Pre-buying cord and duct tape? Not proof.

Patsy remaining fully dressed and dry-eyed Other explanations for that.
that night.

John and Patsy not speaking the next morning- Other explanations possible.
deliberate, pre-agreed strategy, to show they
weren't in it together?

Odd aftermath reactions of all 3 Ramsey's- no Could be the same if not
anger, feeling of acceptance, emotional distance, planned.
etc.

And so on... There are so many that are possible to mention in one post, but that's the idea? Don't know if this will be helpful at all, or just tedious, but at the very least, it shows just how much that, even with things we know, frustratingly we might not be sure which way to interpret them! :fence:

 

[Scandigirl]

Apologies! Just seen my post, and the Not Planned Rebuttal on the right hand side has got mixed up a little with the Pre Meditates list on the left- not very easy to read! If no one can make sense of it, I'll re type it!

Hopefully people can still get the idea, though, how each factor can be looked at either way!!

 

[UKGuy]

From the AR: hair is entwined in the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck as well as in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick.

Hair is entwined. Where? “In the knot on the posterior aspect of the neck.” Where else? Hair is entwined “in the cord wrapped around the wooden stick.”

The cord is “wrapped around the wooden stick.” The cord is wrapped around the wooden stick and it is entwined in the victim’s hair.

When the killer closes his hand around the handle he necessarily closes his hand around the victim’s hair. When he pulls the handle to tighten the ligature - rapidly, forcefully (like the pull-start on a lawnmower) - he also pulls the victim’s hair.

How much of the hair that we see in the crime scene photos is actually entwined in the “cord wrapped around the wooden stick?” I don’t know, the pictures aren’t good enough to say, but I would guess a rather small percentage.

..

As far as I know the victim being changed into fresh panties, etc is primarily forum conjecture. The panties she had on were large, but not clean or fresh; they had urine and blood on them and so she was obviously wearing them before as well as after death; she was wearing them before she was assaulted and before her bladder emptied. Why change them before she was assaulted?
...

AK

Anti-K,
Check this picture to see her hair in the knot of the paintbrush/ligature.

Not perfect as to resolution but much better than no view at all.



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[Anyhoo]

Anti-K,
Check this picture to see her hair in the knot of the paintbrush/ligature.

Not perfect as to resolution but much better than no view at all.



.

This is the first time I have commented on this topic but seeing that hair entwined in the knot indicates to me that the knot was tied while the stick was in close proximity to her hair. As much as IDI doesn't want to see it, I cannot think of a reason why you would see that kind of entwining had the knot been tied in advance. It took me a long to see this, but this indicates that the knot was tied to the stick after the rope was tied around JB's neck. If so, that makes it 100% staging. Assuming it was staging, what are we left with if we take the stick and knot out of the equation? We just have the rope.

 

[Anti-K]

Anti-K,
Check this picture to see her hair in the knot of the paintbrush/ligature.

Not perfect as to resolution but much better than no view at all.



.

Yes, thank you. I have seen this picture before.
...

AK