Private Security Team Hired By McCann's For Secret Investigation

[philamena]

blaize,
You are correct. If there is anything illegal found by the PI's, by law they have to turn the information over to LE. I've a family member who works for a PI here in the states. And although some may be a tad odd lol, rather Colombo like, the majority work hard and work by the book.

 

[blaize]

Wierd...didn't copy the quotes...

IF, the McCanns are guilty and they know Madeleine is no longer with us and she is hidden in Portugal than hiring the CRG is no [threat] to them....right?

As far as the "source close to the family" being dismayed:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=1699193&postcount=463

Enough to drive you crazy isn't it?

The twists and turns of this case are enough to make anyone dizzy.

If the McCann's were guilty why would they bother hiring the CRG in the first place though? It seems to me that if Madeleine were already dead and her poor little remains not found then the McCann's would only have to worry about forensic evidence about which the Portuguese LE have already said there is not enough to arrest them.

But as far as the Moroccan connection to the investicagtion goes there seems to be a bit more than Mari Olli's alledged sighting involved.

[Source]

The People has learned that the calls - all in Arabic and made on a Spanish pay-as-you-go phone - referred to "the little blonde girl".

The calls also referred to four-year-old Maddie's parents Kate and Gerry McCann meeting the Pope last week.

Intelligence officers from the Government's Communications Headquarters in Cheltenham, Gloucs, picked-up repeated references to a German man, and discussions about Morocco, Holland and Germany.

And in a potentially crucial lead, the Arab-speakers talked about ferry crossings from the Spanish port of Tarifa.

Eight crossings a day are made from Tarifa to Tangiers in Morocco.

The ferry journey takes just 35 minutes. And Tarifa is less than three hours drive from Praia da Luz, the Portugese resort where Maddie went missing on May 3.

For what it's worth I still hold onto the hope that Madeleine will be found alive and reunited with her family.

 

[colomom]

After exploring their website a bit further I am more confused about any "investigative" role this organization might take.

From: http://www.crg.com/default.aspx?page=412 (which discusses kidnapping specifically) it states:

"Our consultants never intervene. They act exclusively as advisors, analysing the situation and guiding clients in handling communications with all those involved and explaining the likely sequence of events."

Does that sound like a PI to you?

And while there are references to staying within the law in their Code of Ethics they do state that their employees are prohibited from "passing such information to a third party."

Not as clear as I would like to see.

 

[blaize]

blaize,
You are correct. If there is anything illegal found by the PI's, by law they have to turn the information over to LE. I've a family member who works for a PI here in the states. And although some may be a tad odd lol, rather Colombo like, the majority work hard and work by the book.

Hello philamena,

I think that's the way it works internationally too.

Thanks for replying.

 

[blaize]

After exploring their website a bit further I am more confused about any "investigative" role this organization might take.

From: http://www.crg.com/default.aspx?page=412 (which discusses kidnapping specifically) it states:

"Our consultants never intervene. They act exclusively as advisors, analysing the situation and guiding clients in handling communications with all those involved and explaining the likely sequence of events."

Does that sound like a PI to you?

And while there are references to staying within the law in their Code of Ethics they do state that their employees are prohibited from "passing such information to a third party."

Not as clear as I would like to see.

Yes, it does actually, especially if a kidnapping has happened.

LE doesn't count as a third party so if they work within the law anything illegal that is discovered or uncovered has to be reported to the appropriate agency or the CRG people could be charged with obstruction of justice & I'm sure other charges as well.

 

[colomom]

Yes, it does actually, especially if a kidnapping has happened.

LE doesn't count as a third party so if they work within the law anything illegal that is discovered or uncovered has to be reported to the appropriate agency or the CRG people could be charged with obstruction of justice & I'm sure other charges as well.

blaize...bear with me, sometimes I can be rather dense.

If they are only "advisors" than what kind of investigating exactly would they do?? If they do not intervene then does that mean that they don't go door to door or talk to shady characters in the bar...I know I watch to much TV...but advisors sounds to me like they would tell them how to react to a reported sighting...is that wrong?

~help~

 

[blaize]

blaize...bear with me, sometimes I can be rather dense.

If they are only "advisors" than what kind of investigating exactly would they do?? If they do not intervene then does that mean that they don't go door to door or talk to shady characters in the bar...I know I watch to much TV...but advisors sounds to me like they would tell them how to react to a reported sighting...is that wrong?

~help~

I think as a Private Security / Private Investigation company if they needed to have any on the ground investigations done in another jurisdiction they'd know who to contact, either a local associate or a freelance PI they could work with.

Why assume they are acting solely as advisors when it has been reported that they are checking reported sightings?

[Source]

Control Risks Group (CRG) is believed to have been checking reported sightings of Madeleine from around the world and building up profiles of likely abductors.

 

[colomom]

I think as a Private Security / Private Investigation company if they needed to have any on the ground investigations done in another jurisdiction they'd know who to contact, either a local associate or a freelance PI they could work with.

Why assume they are acting solely as advisors when it has been reported that they are checking reported sightings?

[Source]

Assume??? blaize!! This is copied from their website (see my previous post):

From: http://www.crg.com/default.aspx?page=412 (which discusses kidnapping specifically) it states:

"Our consultants never intervene. They act exclusively as advisors, analysing the situation and guiding clients in handling communications with all those involved and explaining the likely sequence of events."

 

[colomom]

AND from the Times Online article you reference above:

(http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/europe/article2517988.ece)

"A former intelligence expert who has worked with CRG said: “They can offer advice on personal safety, counter safety. For example, who is watching the McCanns and even advice on hostage negotiation should that be needed. In addition . . . they will most likely offer the McCanns security advice and how to deal with bogus tips.”

:waitasec:

 

[blaize]

Assume??? blaize!! This is copied from their website (see my previous post):

From: http://www.crg.com/default.aspx?page=412 (which discusses kidnapping specifically) it states:

"Our consultants never intervene. They act exclusively as advisors, analysing the situation and guiding clients in handling communications with all those involved and explaining the likely sequence of events."

Then what is meant by "Control Risks Group (CRG) is believed to have been checking reported sightings of Madeleine from around the world and building up profiles of likely abductors"?

Also I don't think any business web site will give you an in depth view of what a company does, especially any firm engaged in the legal or security fields, to find that out you'd have to contact them directly.

 

[Dr. Creepin]

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/20370

Among those calling for Britain’s Joint Air reconnaissance Intelligence Centre (Jaric) and spy headquarters GCHQ to be enlisted was Professor Anthony Glees, Director of Brunel University’s Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies. He claims the centres might finally be able to uncover what happened to four-year-old Madeleine when she went missing from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on May 3.

The Professor said they could also lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over parents Kate and Gerry McCann, who Portuguese police believe killed their daughter and dumped her body. He said: “I’ve spoken to some people involved in these areas and they would be willing to do it. There’s no reason why it couldn’t be done but they would have to be ordered by the Prime Minister or Defence Secretary.”

It's a pity Jaric don't uses their expetise and resources to follow the trail of the Renault Scenic! But CRG are not investigating the McCann's, only other leads, which actually impedes the PJ in their arduous task of finding the body.

 

[april4sky]

http://www.dailyexpress.co.uk/posts/view/20370

Among those calling for Britain’s Joint Air reconnaissance Intelligence Centre (Jaric) and spy headquarters GCHQ to be enlisted was Professor Anthony Glees, Director of Brunel University’s Centre for Intelligence and Security Studies. He claims the centres might finally be able to uncover what happened to four-year-old Madeleine when she went missing from the Ocean Club in Praia da Luz on May 3.

The Professor said they could also lift the cloud of suspicion hanging over parents Kate and Gerry McCann, who Portuguese police believe killed their daughter and dumped her body. He said: “I’ve spoken to some people involved in these areas and they would be willing to do it. There’s no reason why it couldn’t be done but they would have to be ordered by the Prime Minister or Defence Secretary.”

It's a pity Jaric don't uses their expetise and resources to follow the trail of the Renault Scenic! But CRG are not investigating the McCann's, only other leads, which actually impedes the PJ in their arduous task of finding the body.

How are they impeding the PLE when they are not searching in Portugal.

I also didn't realise the PLE know for certain that Madeleine is dead!!!

 

[Dr. Creepin]

Reported in the Daily Star on Thursday:

Last night a source close to the investigation dismissed any distress the couple showed over learning the girl in the picture was not Madeleine as “tears of a crocodile’’.

They admitted they were no longer looking for a living girl and were continuing to search for four-year-old Madeleine’s body.

A police source said: “We have seen the picture but this information is not valued. We could tell quickly it was not Madeleine. The shape of the head was wrong.

“But we did not expect the little girl to be her. The theory of abduction is no longer being pursued. We believe she died in the apartment. “We continue with the investigation to find the body and bring to justice those who killed her.’’

Police believe Madeleine died after being given an accidental overdose of sedatives to help her sleep so her parents, both 39, could go out for dinner with pals in a tapas bar in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

They want to hit the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, with FIVE charges.

Kate could face a MANSLAUGHTER rap for allegedly accidentally killing Madeleine.
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She and husband Gerry jointly face being accused of ILLEGALLY DISPOSING OF A BODY in a bid to cover up the crime.

They also face a possible CHILD NEGLECT charge after leaving Madeleine and their twins alone in the holiday apartment.

And Kate could be charged with BREACHING JUDICIAL SECRECY by revealing in a newspaper interview while a suspect in a criminal case that police had seized her Bible as evidence.

It is illegal in Portugal to discuss the evidence in an on-going investigation.

Police also want the couple jailed for OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE by hiring private detectives to hunt down their missing daughter.

They brought in their own investigators to search for Madeleine fearing police had stopped looking.

Portuguese law chiefs claim the move is illegal and itself punishable by a jail sentence

 

[gord]

Reported in the Daily Star on Thursday:

Last night a source close to the investigation dismissed any distress the couple showed over learning the girl in the picture was not Madeleine as “tears of a crocodile’’.

They admitted they were no longer looking for a living girl and were continuing to search for four-year-old Madeleine’s body.

A police source said: “We have seen the picture but this information is not valued. We could tell quickly it was not Madeleine. The shape of the head was wrong.

“But we did not expect the little girl to be her. The theory of abduction is no longer being pursued. We believe she died in the apartment. “We continue with the investigation to find the body and bring to justice those who killed her.’’

Police believe Madeleine died after being given an accidental overdose of sedatives to help her sleep so her parents, both 39, could go out for dinner with pals in a tapas bar in the Algarve resort of Praia da Luz.

They want to hit the McCanns, of Rothley, Leics, with FIVE charges.

Kate could face a MANSLAUGHTER rap for allegedly accidentally killing Madeleine.
[
She and husband Gerry jointly face being accused of ILLEGALLY DISPOSING OF A BODY in a bid to cover up the crime.

They also face a possible CHILD NEGLECT charge after leaving Madeleine and their twins alone in the holiday apartment.

And Kate could be charged with BREACHING JUDICIAL SECRECY by revealing in a newspaper interview while a suspect in a criminal case that police had seized her Bible as evidence.

It is illegal in Portugal to discuss the evidence in an on-going investigation.

Police also want the couple jailed for OBSTRUCTING JUSTICE by hiring private detectives to hunt down their missing daughter.

They brought in their own investigators to search for Madeleine fearing police had stopped looking.

Portuguese law chiefs claim the move is illegal and itself punishable by a jail sentence

The Daily Star !!

Have you ever seen the Star - it make the National Enquirer look like a serious newspaper .......no offense but I wouldnt believe anything that comes out of that paper - it does make things up on a daily basis .

For all those who want to see just what the average content of the Star is please have a look at their home page

those easily offended please be warned

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/home/

 

[april4sky]

The Daily Star !!

Have you ever seen the Star - it make the National Enquirer look like a serious newspaper .......no offense but I wouldnt believe anything that comes out of that paper - it does make things up on a daily basis .

For all those who want to see just what the average content of the Star is please have a look at their home page

those easily offended please be warned

http://www.dailystar.co.uk/home/

I'm just surprised there were no space Aliens mentioned in the article.
They must be trying to go up market.

 

[AfterMidnight]

This isn't a laughing matter, but if the Star is anything like the National Enquirer, ROFL that anyone would take anything they say seriously. A long time ago I read that the writers get paid to make up weird crap, and the weirder the better.

Still laughing, can't help myself.

 

[Dr. Creepin]

Sure enough, the Star is a piece of tat, but no more so than the Sun, Mirror, Mail, Express, Evening Standard and Sky News, which prints all the "poor, innocent, fragile Kate" stories, and the other ludicrous stuff you are so keen to treat as gospel.

But...

I don’t see the Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Centre, CRG, and GCHQ using all their resources to find Tatsuya Ichihashi, the sadistic killer of teacher Lindsay Hawker, who may strike again, and I wonder how many British tycoons have donated to this appeal? What makes the McCann's such a unique and special case?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_article_id=483798&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490

 

[AfterMidnight]

Sure enough, the Star is a piece of tat, but no more so than the Sun, Mirror, Mail, Express, Evening Standard and Sky News, which prints all the "poor, innocent, fragile Kate" stories, and the other ludicrous stuff you are so keen to treat as gospel.

But...

I don’t see the Joint Air Reconnaissance Intelligence Centre, CRG, and GCHQ using all their resources to find Tatsuya Ichihashi, the sadistic killer of teacher Lindsay Hawker, who may strike again, and I wonder how many British tycoons have donated to this appeal? What makes the McCann's such a unique and special case?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/news/worldnews.html?in_article_id=483798&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_article_id=483798&in_page_id=1770&ito=1490

Actually, I don't treat anything I read as "gospel". I've been burned to many times by sensationalism without substance. Until I hear an "official" statement, or read from an "official" document, I won't be holding my breath.

Now on to the second paragraph. I don't have any idea what makes the McCanns such a special case in the eyes of the British tycoons, etc. I have surmised, from what I've seen here, it makes people hate them. Somehow it rubs a class distinction in people's faces and that makes it harder for the McCanns. I do, however, think you bring up a good point. What "IN" do the McCanns have, and why?

 

[IrishMist]

Actually, I don't treat anything I read as "gospel". I've been burned to many times by sensationalism without substance. Until I hear an "official" statement, or read from an "official" document, I won't be holding my breath.

Now on to the second paragraph. I don't have any idea what makes the McCanns such a special case in the eyes of the British tycoons, etc. I have surmised, from what I've seen here, it makes people hate them. Somehow it rubs a class distinction in people's faces and that makes it harder for the McCanns. I do, however, think you bring up a good point. What "IN" do the McCanns have, and why?

I'm not sure the McCann's have a special "In."

For a little while there, the media was actually questioning that. Why do some cases garner so much attention, and not others? What I'm saying is, why did Lacy Peterson get so much attention, when thousands like her didn't?

But does that mean that the Peterson case shouldn't have gotten that coverage, or merely that all cases deserve that level of attention?

I know I'm diverting the thread, and I apologize. We can go back on topic now, but, as usual, I wanted to throw in my :twocents:

 

[gord]

Actually, I don't treat anything I read as "gospel". I've been burned to many times by sensationalism without substance. Until I hear an "official" statement, or read from an "official" document, I won't be holding my breath.

Now on to the second paragraph. I don't have any idea what makes the McCanns such a special case in the eyes of the British tycoons, etc. I have surmised, from what I've seen here, it makes people hate them. Somehow it rubs a class distinction in people's faces and that makes it harder for the McCanns. I do, however, think you bring up a good point. What "IN" do the McCanns have, and why?

we had this discussion over dinnwer the other night - I think it has taken hold because for one Maddy is so young and it happened in a place on holiday where so many brits go - that you do think that this could be me -

Also I think at heart every one likes a who dunnit problem to solve and this one has all the criteria there - .

Everyone I know has a comment to make - But today news is tomrrows fish and chip wrappers - so in time something else will take its place