KY PROJECT KENTUCKY - Unidentified Persons Cold Cases

[JovanSrna]

BTW, it's UID not IUD. UID stands for unidentified decedent.
The Trans Doe Task Force also uses Google MyMaps for their cases I think.
They haven't updated it since September at least. The last date for an update hasn't been updated since April lmao.
Interestingly enough, they have two cases from Kentucky on their radar. Both are marked as early research.

 

[ClaireNC]

BTW, it's UID not IUD. UID stands for unidentified decedent.
The Trans Doe Task Force also uses Google MyMaps for their cases I think.
They haven't updated it since September at least. The last date for an update hasn't been updated since April lmao.
Interestingly enough, they have two cases from Kentucky on their radar. Both are marked as early research.

Fixed the typ-o. Thanks. Kentucky UID Project - Google My Maps

I'll check the Trans Doe site and make sure they are included.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I was afraid to say anything because I honestly thought maybe I had been wrong this entire time, using UID.

 

[MadMcGoo]

If I need to make corrections to the spreadsheet, please let me know!! Reading back over it, I realize I entered some of the descriptions and whatnot as though I’d be the only one looking at it ... so it might not make sense to everyone. lol We’re learning!

Also, if I need to add a missing person to the “possibles/suggestions” just let me know. I haven’t gone through and checked all the threads for those.

I really don’t know how user friendly or accessible Google Sheets is to anyone else, but I changed the settings to allow for others to make comments on it (I think...). For me, I’ve done everything so far via my cell phone, I just tap once on a cell and it gives me the option to “comment”. That’s how I’ve added links and on columns like the dentals, fingerprints, and DNA (which are just emojis of a tooth, fingers, and a double helix looking thing) I added a legend. Like, for DNA, “Y” is for available, “N” for not available, “I” for insufficient for profiling, etc.

I highlighted in bright yellow the areas to question (like “Skipper”’s race)... but I’ll adjust anything for simplicity or clarity! Like I’ve said, it’s our project so don’t be afraid to tell me, “hey, that looks ridiculous” or “you messed that up big time!”. I’m not easily offended And thank you again for everyone who’s helping!

ETA: I’m also trying to think of the best way to add the links to the Map and Newspapers so its all accessible from that one document...if anyone has any ideas, or that may be too much?

 

[coffeeandacig]

@MadMcGoo Let me know what I can do to help. Not sure if I've got any particular skills, though...LOL

PS...Your spreadsheet is awesome!

 

[MadMcGoo]

I noticed this when I was first entering stuff into the spreadsheet but forgot about it...
Between 1989 and 1996, there were several infants found - Richmond, Louisville and Glasgow. Another one I found in NamUs, but says “entered only to facilitate DNA processing and analysis” and I haven’t really looked into it further. Actually, of the 4 I’m looking at, only 2 are listed in NamUs. Two of them are biracial. Could there be a connection there??

eta: Baby Frances was found in 1978, also biracial, but I was looking more at those 4 found within that short time frame...

Elaborating a little on this... And this is a rabbit hole of a theory for sure, but something about this reminded me of Rasmussen. Some of the dates correspond with his post-1990 absconding(?) and subsequent 12-ish years of being off the radar. (I think he most likely was on someone’s radar, the connection just hasn’t been made yet. Another alias and location is my theory...why not Kentucky?)

The infant found in the suitcase in ‘89 might not fit though, I think he was arrested in ‘86? I’d be guessing at this point at the exact details regarding that monster, and it may be completely impossible. It’s just the first thing that came to mind when I saw the details. Just a thought...

 

[MadMcGoo]

@MadMcGoo Let me know what I can do to help. Not sure if I've got any particular skills, though...LOL

PS...Your spreadsheet is awesome!

Thank you so much!!

I’m not sure what needs to be done, so just dive right into to something What do you think? This entire project is in its infancy and I’ve kind of been waiting to hear back from Madame Amy just to get a sense of what can be answered by her and what we’re just going to have to sleuth out! If we can get information on that Seamaster watch for instance (or what the heck that button is!) it’ll save a lot of time and give us some real direction, KWIM?

If we want, we can all tackle one case in particular (while still working the others) and divide and conquer; someone comb through Doe Net, someone Charley Project, NamUs, Facebook, someone try finding more info about specifics of the case, etc., that way we really come up with a good list of possible matches? IDK, lol, I’m up for whatever!

 

[MadMcGoo]

KY - KY - Glasgow, WhtFem UP111, 45-60, bound/tied & weighted down in lake, 20 Jun 1984

Here’s one I think could use some attention. Her PMI is only a couple of months, height and weight are measured and not estimates, and she’s got fairly detailed descriptions of her clothing...?

 

[MadMcGoo]

Could the Springfield 3 have ended up in Kentucky?? I was just looking at Stacy and Shively Doe...
Sherrill: The Doe Network: Case File 618DFMO
Suzanne: The Doe Network: Case File 617DFMO
Stacy: The Doe Network: Case File 616DFMO

 

[GJKJR]

I see people have already beat me to it! But, I made the map. So far, I have all of the Kentucky UID cases listed on NamUs, but I still need to add descriptions to them to make it more complete. Also might have to get a Newspapers.com description to get more accurate locations, because I'm not very confident on some of the locations I placed.

Kentucky Unidentified - Google My Maps

 

[MadMcGoo]

I see people have already beat me to it! But, I made the map. So far, I have all of the Kentucky UID cases listed on NamUs, but I still need to add descriptions to them to make it more complete. Also might have to get a Newspapers.com description to get more accurate locations, because I'm not very confident on some of the locations I placed.

Kentucky Unidentified - Google My Maps

It’s fantastical!!!!
I’ve got a newspaper subscription and have tried finding all the ones I could as I go through each case. Keyword searches aren’t my strongest forte though lol I don’t mind looking for more. I don’t know if you saw the link at the start of the thread, but I’ve been saving them all to a document for easy access.
*KENTUCKY UNIDENTIFIED* Newspapers
I’ve found more recent ones easier than I have the older ones...but I may not be searching the right things. Some of the cases I actually took the time to read the entire paper for the following week and found nothing :/ Because you’re right, the NamUs location descriptions and coordinates don’t usually help much at all!

 

[ClaireNC]

Working off of GJKJR's map for the coordinates and putting into the version I created, which includes more details on each case.

Anyone else notice that these two were found in the same area and stats are similar, including they both had no teeth. Did the 1982 Doe also have a ring with 3 stones? The spreadsheet says she did, but I don't see that in the Namus profile.
UP6714 1982 - March Boone County White F 25-50 5'5" 135 Dark Brown 6 weeks (Ring with 3 stones?), large bust, stretch marks on abdomen, scars on left foot/toes

UP6710 1980 - May Boone - Ohio River White F 25-40 5'2" 123 Dark Brown Days At mile marker 490, Full upper dentures, Gold ring with 3 stones on top 1 on bottom

I haven't researched to see if this has already been discussed.

 

[MadMcGoo]

Working off of GJKJR's map for the coordinates and putting into the version I created, which includes more details on each case.

Anyone else notice that these two were found in the same area and stats are similar, including they both had no teeth. Did the 1982 Doe also have a ring with 3 stones? The spreadsheet says she did, but I don't see that in the Namus profile.
UP6714 1982 - March Boone County White F 25-50 5'5" 135 Dark Brown 6 weeks (Ring with 3 stones?), large bust, stretch marks on abdomen, scars on left foot/toes

UP6710 1980 - May Boone - Ohio River White F 25-40 5'2" 123 Dark Brown Days At mile marker 490, Full upper dentures, Gold ring with 3 stones on top 1 on bottom

I haven't researched to see if this has already been discussed.

You’re right! That was a typo on my part!! UP6714 does have a ring, UP6710 does not have a ring! I’ll correct that! Thank you.

Also, Doe Network for UP6714 lists the wrong NamUs #... it says it’s UP6713, and that is for an infant found in Ohio in 1977!

Whoops! There stats are very similar though!!

 

[MadMcGoo]

Come to think of it, almost all the females found in the 70s and 80s (and the one from Nancy in ‘95, considering the PMI) have a lot of commonalities.

Anyone familiar with any serial killers around that time and area? That’s one area I try to avoid for the most part lol, I’d never come out of some of those rabbit holes. But it might be worth exploring if we think there are some good connections there...

eta: and the spreadsheet may not even be close to comprehensive... there could be UID or identified victims that aren’t listed but could be connected!

 

[MadMcGoo]

I divided some of the stats (hair from eye color) because of the “Explore” feature, which I’m not sure if anyone else can see lol

But it generates pie charts or graphs showing the collective stats of a particular column... like this one..
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i thought it was a neat feature

 

[GJKJR]

It’s fantastical!!!!
I’ve got a newspaper subscription and have tried finding all the ones I could as I go through each case. Keyword searches aren’t my strongest forte though lol I don’t mind looking for more. I don’t know if you saw the link at the start of the thread, but I’ve been saving them all to a document for easy access. ••KENTUCKY UNIDENTIFIED•• Newspapers
I’ve found more recent ones easier than I have the older ones...but I may not be searching the right things. Some of the cases I actually took the time to read the entire paper for the following week and found nothing :/ Because you’re right, the NamUs location descriptions and coordinates don’t usually help much at all!

I'm blind, lol. Well, I'm going to get going on improving some of the locations I have, especially the ones that just say "Found in the Ohio River," "Found in a tobacco barn," that sort of stuff. And thank you!

Working off of GJKJR's map for the coordinates and putting into the version I created, which includes more details on each case.

Anyone else notice that these two were found in the same area and stats are similar, including they both had no teeth. Did the 1982 Doe also have a ring with 3 stones? The spreadsheet says she did, but I don't see that in the Namus profile.
UP6714 1982 - March Boone County White F 25-50 5'5" 135 Dark Brown 6 weeks (Ring with 3 stones?), large bust, stretch marks on abdomen, scars on left foot/toes

UP6710 1980 - May Boone - Ohio River White F 25-40 5'2" 123 Dark Brown Days At mile marker 490, Full upper dentures, Gold ring with 3 stones on top 1 on bottom

I haven't researched to see if this has already been discussed.

Even without the ring on one of the cases, it's still pretty interesting how there's a little cluster in that one area. There's also clusters around:

- Far southwestern Kentucky, 3 male UIDs found between 2000-2009 in the Mississippi/Ohio Rivers
- Lake Barkley, 3 male UIDs found throughout the latter half of the 20th century (1973, 1983, 1999)
- Bowling Green, 5 UIDs (2 male, 3 female) found within around a 20 mi radius of B.G.
- Louisville, KY area
- Lexington, KY area
- Covington, KY-Cincinnati, OH area

I'm not that surprised by the clusters around Louisville, Cincinnati, Lexington, and to a lesser extent Bowling Green, though; after all, they're major cities. Though, the Lake Barkley cluster and the SW Kentucky cluster surprised me a bit.

Come to think of it, almost all the females found in the 70s and 80s (and the one from Nancy in ‘95, considering the PMI) have a lot of commonalities.

Anyone familiar with any serial killers around that time and area? That’s one area I try to avoid for the most part lol, I’d never come out of some of those rabbit holes. But it might be worth exploring if we think there are some good connections there...

eta: and the spreadsheet may not even be close to comprehensive... there could be UID or identified victims that aren’t listed but could be connected!

I couldn't tell you about serial killers in that area, or most areas for that matter, since it's not really my strong suit. It is possible, though, maybe a trucker who frequented Kentucky?

I divided some of the stats (hair from eye color) because of the “Explore” feature, which I’m not sure if anyone else can see lol

But it generates pie charts or graphs showing the collective stats of a particular column... like this one..
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i thought it was a neat feature

I've seen that feature, but I didn't know it could make charts! That's pretty interesting, especially considering that I've always liked charts a bit more than large tables. A lot easier to digest, I guess.

 

[MadMcGoo]

There are several interesting “clusters” that could be connected! Once everything is fine-tuned we’ll probably start seeing more and more similarities!

I’ve been trying to find a possible match for our poor girl that was bound and duct taped, but I keep finding PM for other girls!

This defies all logic so I won’t bother with trying to make a case for it lol, but one detail gave me pause... I can’t figure it out though...I first looked at her maybe for 2001 Simpson Co. Doe...but this tattoo?!

The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[ClaireNC]

I'm blind, lol. Well, I'm going to get going on improving some of the locations I have, especially the ones that just say "Found in the Ohio River," "Found in a tobacco barn," that sort of stuff. And thank you!


Even without the ring on one of the cases, it's still pretty interesting how there's a little cluster in that one area. There's also clusters around:

- Far southwestern Kentucky, 3 male UIDs found between 2000-2009 in the Mississippi/Ohio Rivers
- Lake Barkley, 3 male UIDs found throughout the latter half of the 20th century (1973, 1983, 1999)
- Bowling Green, 5 UIDs (2 male, 3 female) found within around a 20 mi radius of B.G.
- Louisville, KY area
- Lexington, KY area
- Covington, KY-Cincinnati, OH area

I'm not that surprised by the clusters around Louisville, Cincinnati, Lexington, and to a lesser extent Bowling Green, though; after all, they're major cities. Though, the Lake Barkley cluster and the SW Kentucky cluster surprised me a bit.

I couldn't tell you about serial killers in that area, or most areas for that matter, since it's not really my strong suit. It is possible, though, maybe a trucker who frequented Kentucky?

I've seen that feature, but I didn't know it could make charts! That's pretty interesting, especially considering that I've always liked charts a bit more than large tables. A lot easier to digest, I guess.

Definitely seeing some interesting clusters. The cities aren't surprising, unless they turn out to have similar stats. In addition to possible serial killers, I think there could be a human trafficking element.

Is Bowling Green a major city? I thought it was pretty rural and that cluster stood out to me.

There are these two at Barren River Lake. The woman's coarse curly hair could indicate biracial. The child is believed to be a female and biracial. The 5-year gap between them, makes me think unlikely related, but I'm not ruling it out entirely.
UP111 1984 - June Barren - Barron River Lake White F 45-60 5'3" 160 Brown — Months BR Lake, duct taped, tied to concrete block, coarse curly dark dyed hair, excellent dental, NO DNA
UP100 1989 - August Barren - Barren River Lake Biracial U 2-3 — — — — Months Body was found inside a blue suitcase on the shore along Barren River Lake in Glasgow, sex uncertain

Also love the Explore feature that makes graphs. I'm an old-school geek and enjoy playing with data. Interesting that there are so many with brown hair and almost no blondes. Might be worth exploring

 

[MadMcGoo]

Definitely seeing some interesting clusters. The cities aren't surprising, unless they turn out to have similar stats. In addition to possible serial killers, I think there could be a human trafficking element.

Is Bowling Green a major city? I thought it was pretty rural and that cluster stood out to me.

There are these two at Barren River Lake. The woman's coarse curly hair could indicate biracial. The child is believed to be a female and biracial. The 5-year gap between them, makes me think unlikely related, but I'm not ruling it out entirely.
UP111 1984 - June Barren - Barron River Lake White F 45-60 5'3" 160 Brown — Months BR Lake, duct taped, tied to concrete block, coarse curly dark dyed hair, excellent dental, NO DNA
UP100 1989 - August Barren - Barren River Lake Biracial U 2-3 — — — — Months Body was found inside a blue suitcase on the shore along Barren River Lake in Glasgow, sex uncertain

Also love the Explore feature that makes graphs. I'm an old-school geek and enjoy playing with data. Interesting that there are so many with brown hair and almost no blondes. Might be worth exploring

Oh yah, we’re on the same page! I went back and changed one from blond/red to brown/red because most of the sources indicated it was more auburn than strawberry... I think that may have removed all the blonds! Except for the unknowns, they’re predominantly dark haired! I’m trying to enter the stats as accurately as possible, some I’ve used my own judgement just for the sake of those graphs! Because I quite like them too. Especially when looking for patterns, just accessing information on an individual is convenient enough just from the spreadsheet but that extra feature I like. Even for dentals and stuff, it shows what percentage have those available. I’m a big geek too I guess

If you see a place for improvement in that area, let me know!

 

[ClaireNC]

In April 1989 and Jan 1990 we have two males found nude with hands cut off 150 miles apart. Both had gunshot wounds.