KY PROJECT KENTUCKY - Unidentified Persons Cold Cases

[victoriarobinson642]

This doe in Jefferson County reminds me very strongly of Harold Lee Tucker.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

 

[victoriarobinson642]

I cannot find anything to suggest that this person is still unidentified, or even that he existed at all, besides this one article.

 

[MadMcGoo]

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This doe in Jefferson County reminds me very strongly of Harold Lee Tucker.
The National Missing and Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

The missing fingers surely can’t be a coincidence! Throughout the course of all my research I’ve tried cross referencing any old articles I’ve found. I don’t have any UID from 1985. I think this is definitely worth submitting!

I’ve still not received a response from the ME about the other possible matches. It’s very discouraging. I’ve been submitting individually to Doe Net.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

The missing fingers surely can’t be a coincidence! Throughout the course of all my research, I’ve tried cross-referencing any old articles I’ve found. I don’t have any UID from 1985. I think this is definitely worth submitting!

I would submit it manually but I can't find a single place to do so. The sheriff's website is pretty minimal.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I would submit it manually but I can't find a single place to do so. The sheriff's website is pretty minimal.

I didn’t think about that part . I’ll brainstorm.

 

[bflocket]

The missing fingers surely can’t be a coincidence! Throughout the course of all my research I’ve tried cross referencing any old articles I’ve found. I don’t have any UID from 1985. I think this is definitely worth submitting!

I’ve still not received a response from the ME about the other possible matches. It’s very discouraging. I’ve been submitting individually to Doe Net

I put this up mostly as a curiosity. It's safe to say that any of them not currently on DoeNet or NamUS have been identified.

The "less than 10 miles from me" one from my senior year... It was identified in fairly short order. I found a name but no real detailed info (despite it being the longest one on the list). That's the problem with old UID's - once they're identified, if a family or LE decides not to announce details, they just don't do it publically. Look at the "identified" list on Doe Network and there are so many like that.

Babies born after that was published are now voting, legally buying booze and some of their kids are in high school. It's from a different world without the internet, fancy phones, social media or anything like that. How did we survive back then?

 

[Melt71]

Threads started for two different KY UIDs added to Namus in the past couple of days.

KY - KY - Bullitt Co., Uns/Cauc UP76723 no age/PMI, Sep 2020 (websleuths.com)

KY - KY - Wayne Co., Wht/Mal UP77077 no age/PMI, Jul 2020 (websleuths.com)

 

[Melt71]

New KY UID - skeletal adult pre-20 with no PMI

KY - KY - Jefferson Co. Uns/Adult pre-20, UP77337, Jan'21 (websleuths.com)

 

[MadMcGoo]

Thank you @Melt71 !! There have been quite a few new Does this year and last. I sure hope they can get their names back soon.

 

[scottykcaudill]

New user here. I joined specifically because of interest in the Letcher County John Doe. I live about 15 miles from where he was found. I'm just curious as to whether or not an attempt has ever been made to submit his DNA to familial genealogy sites.

 

[Mireille]

I would submit it manually but I can't find a single place to do so. The sheriff's website is pretty minimal.

They appear to have a facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/search/top?q=jefferson county sheriff's office kentucky

Where you can "call" by hitting the call on their facebook page. I am not certain how this works of course.
Though I will have to admit, this is an excessively sparse website.

Same with corbin, where he was missig from: Corbin Police Department

not sure if this helps any

Edit: found an email to corbin's police chief, I am dming you the info.

 

[bflocket]

I don't think I've mentioned this (at least on this thread), but there are now a couple UID's in my county with little info out there.

One is particularly sad - a guy that died alone and in pain in a field near the "ritzier" nursing home in Bardstown. It's said he was found in a homeless camp. I didn't know we had any of those around here. I've known people that were technically homeless, but they'd just stay with various friens while they could and then move on to another (they weren't living out on the streets).

Unidentified White Male
approx 60-80 y/o
found 4/3/2019 in Bardstown, KY)
NamUs #UP58534


The other one is the skeletal remains were that found by a creek at the Nelson/Washington/Marion County border. These were analyzed by the FBI and were suspected of possibly being Crystal Rogers (or Kara Rigdon, missing from Marion Co). They were verified to not be Crystal, and I suspect Kara (haven't heard much more about the remains or Kara's disappearance in local news since then).
They're not on NamUS and I just have info that was released via the news. The estimated age range seemed rather strange to me (way too specific without really being specific whatsoever).

Unidentified Female (I thought heard "white" somewhere at one point)
Aprox 5'2" - 5'9"
Approx 24-y/o to 82-y/o (???)
found 7/2020 along Hardin's Creek** at Beech Fork
One month passes since Nelson County remains found; here’s what we know today.

The discovery of possible human remains was first reported on July 23 when a property owner found what he believed to be human remains along the bank of Hardins Creek, near the Nelson County and Washington County line.
The embankment is on private property but the owner allows the public to use it as a park space.

Late last week, the FBI released the first update on the remains. The update explained an extensive anthropological examination found the victim is likely a woman, 24 to 82-years-old and between 5-foot-two and 5-feet-9 inches tall.
The description does fit Crystal Rogers but it also fits other missing people... including 27-year-old Kara Rigdon, who's been missing from Marion County since July 2010.

**All news stories state that remains were found in Nelson County and the Nelson/Washington border, yet mention Hardin's Creek (the Washington/Marion County line - never technically in Nelson Co).

Shouldn't it be in NamUS already? It's nearly as new as the first one. I haven't heard much of anything since the discovery other than "It' not Crystal...". Could it be due to the FBI being involved?

 

[carbuff]

I think I saw a thread for the Hardin's Creek remains...let me go see if I can find it.

 

[MadMcGoo]

I don't think I've mentioned this (at least on this thread), but there are now a couple UID's in my county with little info out there.

One is particularly sad - a guy that died alone and in pain in a field near the "ritzier" nursing home in Bardstown. It's said he was found in a homeless camp. I didn't know we had any of those around here. I've known people that were technically homeless, but they'd just stay with various friens while they could and then move on to another (they weren't living out on the streets).

Unidentified White Male
approx 60-80 y/o
found 4/3/2019 in Bardstown, KY)
NamUs #UP58534


The other one is the skeletal remains were that found by a creek at the Nelson/Washington/Marion County border. These were analyzed by the FBI and were suspected of possibly being Crystal Rogers (or Kara Rigdon, missing from Marion Co). They were verified to not be Crystal, and I suspect Kara (haven't heard much more about the remains or Kara's disappearance in local news since then).
They're not on NamUS and I just have info that was released via the news. The estimated age range seemed rather strange to me (way too specific without really being specific whatsoever).

Unidentified Female (I thought heard "white" somewhere at one point)
Aprox 5'2" - 5'9"
Approx 24-y/o to 82-y/o (???)
found 7/2020 along Hardin's Creek** at Beech Fork
One month passes since Nelson County remains found; here’s what we know today.



**All news stories state that remains were found in Nelson County and the Nelson/Washington border, yet mention Hardin's Creek (the Washington/Marion County line - never technically in Nelson Co).

Shouldn't it be in NamUS already? It's nearly as new as the first one. I haven't heard much of anything since the discovery other than "It' not Crystal...". Could it be due to the FBI being involved?

I do remember reading about the poor man found behind the assisted living facility. Incredibly heartbreaking.

I’ve not seen the Hardin’s Creek remains. There are a handful of KY cases that aren’t in NamUs, old and new. I’m not really sure why they aren’t though.

 

[carbuff]

I think I saw a thread for the Hardin's Creek remains...let me go see if I can find it.

Couldn't find it. Either I read about it somewhere else, or it reminds me of another case.

 

[bflocket]

Couldn't find it. Either I read about it somewhere else, or it reminds me of another case.

I think I posted it on the Cable/Clopton thread. There are a couple of girls that they killed where they found one of their arms (nothing of the other girl) and another "body" (just a few pieces) that fit their usual MO and area.
I thought the Manton remains fit them due to geography - but they usually just dumped the parts. These were "unveiled" due to flooding/erosion - so they were probably actually buried. Or possibly ancient remains. I still can't grasp the "24" and "82" part of it all.

 

[carbuff]

From what I remember from the forensics course I took a couple of years back, the 24 to 80 range means "fully adult female," not literally those endpoint ages. If they had a skull, they most likely would have been able to get a more precise age estimate from teeth and skull sutures. But any of the long bones would let them see whether the growth plates had completely formed bone, which would tell them the person was adult and let them estimate height, and the pelvis would point to probable biological sex. Sometimes the presence of arthritis and wear will point to a senior citizen, but its absence doesn't rule out an older person.

 

[carbuff]

I think I posted it on the Cable/Clopton thread. There are a couple of girls that they killed where they found one of their arms (nothing of the other girl) and another "body" (just a few pieces) that fit their usual MO and area.
I thought the Manton remains fit them due to geography - but they usually just dumped the parts. These were "unveiled" due to flooding/erosion - so they were probably actually buried. Or possibly ancient remains. I still can't grasp the "24" and "82" part of it all.

Thanks. That could be it.

 

[JovanSrna]

Who is the EastPark John Doe?
This one is in the news.

 

[victoriarobinson642]

Who is the EastPark John Doe?
This one is in the news.

So now the body is being shipped to the University of Tennessee for genealogical DNA testing, the same method used to identify Chesapeake’s “Belle in the Well” as Louise Virginia Peterson Flesher in 2019.