Prosecutor Juan Martinez releases new book, February 2016 - #2

[Wing Ding]

Travis was fine with her taking pics on his camera. He didn't know he was going to be brutally slaughtered by a psychopath and could have deleted them when he chose, had he remained alive. Why would he trust her to take pics of him naked on her camera?

My guess is that she showed up, apologised profusely for the blackmail attempt, convinced him that he could take pics of her as an 'insurance policy' should he doubt her promise not to reissue the blackmail threat. She may have given him the cheque (check in American language) to sweeten him. Her hair is dark in the pics, not blonde.

* I never thought about her nekkid pics being used as collateral against her by Travis, but that make total sense to me. Especially considering they were taken on Travis' camera, and especially considering she knew he'd be dead soon and she could delete them from his camera. So in the meantime, smile and say cheese. I think she also promised him a cd with some vaca pics on it so that was another thing that she used to butter him up that day.

And up until just this moment I always believed Travis knew she was coming to Mesa to see him (even if she had only let him know via two or three text messages the night before from Pasadena). But if she did text him the night before, two things seem certain: 1) he never called or texted her back and 2) he never called or texted any of his friends to let them know that she had called/texted him and was stopping by on her way to Utah and RB.

No, Jodi knew she couldn't risk Travis alerting someone to her presence in Arizona on June 4th. So she shows up in Mesa whenever she does, she surprises him, and then she plays it cool to gain his trust and not call anyone (which is a miracle in itself that he doesn't). And then she murders him.

 

[Hope4More]

Melendez testified all new cameras including TAs saves photos to 2 seperate areas : the internal memory, and then the preview/thumbnail portion of the drive. The thumbnails do not have EXIF data, while the others recovered from the SD slot did. And, more than a few had this data attached and recovered as he explained he verified the time stamps on direct

Iirc only 1 or 2 of all of the June 4 pic didn't but had other ways to verify including the KY bottle

There were 90 pics on the memory taken between the time it was bought in May and when Jodi used it to lure Travis to his death on June 4.

The had plenty of time to help herself to everything and anything in his house after he went upstairs around 4:30AM and before he woke up.

Given that his journal was found in his car, not on a seat, in the garage my guess is she went inside, took his journal and maybe his phone, and hid in car until she thought any and all roommates had left. Only TA's car was in the garage that AM.

After that she had her own laptop, access to his camera, USB cords, her own phone and her own memory cards.

It is possible to transfer photos from memory stick to memory stick, or from anything else she had to his memory stick.

And, depending on how it's transferred, it is very possible for the original EXIF to be deleted in that transfer.

Maybe his computer activity at 1:44pm - same time as one of the sex pics, was when she was trying to copy the pics onto his harddrive.


Surer than ever the timestamps are wrong, that he woke up after 12:32pm (? in between or not), shaved, got into the shower and she appeared with a gun.

And about those CD's. She had her laptop. When he supposedly tried forever to bring them up on his computer (which was working just fine at 4:30AM), why not use her laptop?

Because it didn't happen.

 

[Hope4More]

Melendez testified all new cameras including TAs saves photos to 2 seperate areas : the internal memory, and then the preview/thumbnail portion of the drive. The thumbnails do not have EXIF data, while the others recovered from the SD slot did. And, more than a few had this data attached and recovered as he explained he verified the time stamps on direct

Iirc only 1 or 2 of all of the June 4 pic didn't but had other ways to verify including the KY bottle

There were 90 pics on the memory taken between the time it was bought in May and when Jodi used it to lure Travis to his death on June 4.

The internal memory was wiped, right? IIRC?

 

[Wing Ding]

It is possible to transfer photos from memory stick to memory stick, or from anything else she had to his memory stick.

The simple answer is "yes".

I love a good Jodi-quote.

 

[Val1]

Melendez testified all new cameras including TAs saves photos to 2 seperate areas : the internal memory, and then the preview/thumbnail portion of the drive. The thumbnails do not have EXIF data, while the others recovered from the SD slot did. And, more than a few had this data attached and recovered as he explained he verified the time stamps on direct

Iirc only 1 or 2 of all of the June 4 pic didn't but had other ways to verify including the KY bottle

There were 90 pics on the memory taken between the time it was bought in May and when Jodi used it to lure Travis to his death on June 4.

Iirc he also testified that there was nothing on the internal memory of the camera, everything came from the memory stick. As for dating the unallocated pics, if you go read how Encase handled that, at least back in 2008, it would give the last date the camera had been accessed, as for the time, who knows, maybe that's what time the detective pulled those pics.

 

[Hope4More]

PS....just because I debate fiercely doesn't mean I'm positive I'm right about all of this, will never change my mind, and can't be reasoned with.

Just means I'm riding another wave, the "he did NOT willingly pose for her in the shower" one (which JM proved , to my great satisfaction).

Please don't take the fierceness personally, and please free to knock down any of my new and shiny theories. . If you can

 

[Val1]

The internal memory was wiped, right? IIRC?

Yes it was, they also couldn't verify the time/date the camera had or would have used because the batteries were dead.

 

[Steve44]

Spot on. Do you recall her madly muttering something in the interview room like, "I win, brat" or "You win, brat"? Winning meant a lot to her. She lost the game regarding marriage but ultimately 'won' by removing him from the planet. Shockingly sick.

I think she said "I still won, brat." I also think she was referring to Travis. The way I see her thought process going is something like this: She has been arrested. She knows she's not going home or anywhere else of her own free will for quite some time. Flores is gradually presenting evidence to her that they know she did it. A trial at some point in the future looks likely, and there is substantial evidence (at this point she's still hoping she can blame the fake ninja's for the real evidence). Anyway, she's sitting there, assessing her situation, and compares it to Travis'. Travis is dead, she's still alive, though in a lot of trouble: "I still won, brat."

 

[Deleted member 122533]

No, it's not buying anything she said, trust me. Quite the opposite.

In no order:

1. She thought she'd wiped/destroyed the camera or she wouldn't have left it.

2. Being bright has nothing to do with this. She had at least several weeks and probably much longer to plan it out, and to look up whatever she needed to know about cameras and memory cards and the like.

3. He wouldn't trust her to take pics of him naked with her camera. That's why she took pics of him with her phone, when she surprised him, then told him, don't worry, I deleted them.

4. He was done with her. The only time after May 26 she could get him to communicate with her was early morning June 2 when she badgered him for hours straight to answer. That and not again.

5. He didn't know she was coming.

6. She lied about when she arrived, what was on the computer, everything for that time before bed.

7. She refused to even try to give a timeline for the day, other than what was provided by the timestamps on photos- a timeline she was stuck with though it made no sense, including his shaving, a text that was sent by him at a time she said he was asleep...on and on.

8. It wasn't his idea to take shower pics and the whole shower story was a lie.

Etc. Add up a thousand little pieces and nothing she said about what happened that day makes any sense. Sex is only one aspect of that.

1) She messed up by deleting the pics, bleaching and washing the camera not knowing the pics would still be recoverable. This was just one in a series of mistakes she made, including leaving DNA evidence and miscalculating the gas can trail. She had no need to plant photos as she already has abundant proof of their sexual relationship - including the May 10 tape. Her purpose was to murder him, not blackmail him further. She was found guilty by a jury of premeditated murder.

2) The memory card excuse was simply desperate scrabbling to deflect Detective Flores. She told countless other lies during that interview. She claimed to have discussed the camera with Travis. Of course she would be familiar with memory sticks and may have discussed those too. I had the same camera and have looked up compatible cards. Neither Arias, the defence (defense) or prosecution made anything of the memory card remark. Juan Martinez dismissed it as wholly implausible. The reasoning behind her need to plant pics makes no sense to me at all.

4) Travis was dead before he could choose which pics to be deleted on any device.

5) and 6) I agree that there is no proof he knew she was coming and her hesitation around arrival time (in interviews) is palpable.

7) I agree that the timeline for the day, apart from the times stamped on pics is mostly just her word. The afternoon is particularly unconvincing. Neither Arias nor the prosecution disputed the time of the pics though. Accepting the pics are genuine doesn't negate these other points we agree on.

8) I agree the story behind the shower pics is probably yet another lie. It doesn't mean the pics aren't genuine or the times stamps.

In the pics, her hair is not blonde but dark brown and comparable with interview sessions in length and colour (brassy undertones in certain light). We are asked to believe the shower scenes are genuine but the sex ones planted? Too much of a reach for me especially with no logical argument behind the memory stick debate.

 

[Hope4More]

But the brown hair? Jodi only had blonde hair during her time "knowing" Travis, up until that final day. All the sex pics show Jodi with her newly dyed-brown locks. I think those pics are from that day.

Travis was relatively inexperienced. He probably realized his sex life with Jodi was bad for his faith and his life in general, but I suspect he was also kind of drawn to that side of their relationship. He was a young man with normal sexual impulses. I doubt he knew how crazy evil Jodi was.

I think they had consensual sex that afternoon, the pics are from that liason, and sometime after the initial sex, Travis flat out told her she was stil not going to Cancun.

Jodi had already prepared for both outcomes (gun, knife vs. sunblock, bikinis) so she was ready.

I believe all that was true about Travis...young, inexperienced, easy to manipulate, etc, didn't understand how crazy she was...UNTIL mid-May.

I think it no coincidence that she started lining up her murder duckies then, exactly at the time he really did begin to understand how crazy she was.

And after May 25-26? Noooooo way he didn't get it. He said he was scared of her and I believe him. I think he said most of what he did for the first half or more of the call (as do the Hughes) because he was trying to have her believe he would forgive and forget... as long as she put it in writing.

She was way ahead of him playing that game, and it was only when she didn't give him what he wanted-- proof-- that he let out the rage he'd held in check for months.

He didn't tell her he was sorry afterwards. He wasn't. He HATED her, and said so, over and over.

Sex after that? And pics taken? Just doesn't add up, especially when nothing she says about June 4 adds up either .

 

[Wing Ding]

Iirc he also testified that there was nothing on the internal memory of the camera, everything came from the memory stick. As for dating the unallocated pics, if you go read how Encase handled that, at least back in 2008, it would give the last date the camera had been accessed, as for the time, who knows, maybe that's what time the detective pulled those pics.

Val, is what you are calling the memory "stick", actually the camera's memory "card"?

I've always used the term memory "stick" synonymously with a "flash drive" or "thumb drive", but not for a memory "card" which is used in digital cameras.

Just curious. I don't mean to single you out personally, but I'm just trying to keep up around here.

Memory stick/flash drive/thumb drive for storing and transferring data:

Memory card for digital cameras (and maybe also cell phones?):

 

[EquallyDivided]

I still don't think her hair colour in the sex pics was dark enough to be what her selfies taken June 3 show, especially since the selfie was taken in daylight and the sex one in a darkened bedroom. To me it looks like the same colour as when she had moved back to Yreka in April/May. I am also now questioning the length of her hair, when first arrested in July it was much shorter than in the pics from May, so when did she get it cut, before or after June 4th? My hair is almost waist length and when braided it still only goes to about 3-4" above my elbow and barely reaches as far down on my chest, even when slouched forward similar to her braid pic.

Just an observation: When I'm sitting normally, my hair appears much shorter than when I lean back and my rest my forearms on the bed - at that point my neck is shorter and my hair certainly appears longer.

I'm just lucky my husband didn't walk in and catch me doing that just now ...

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[TexMex]

The internal memory was wiped, right? IIRC?

IIRC there was no testimony the internal memory had been wiped

 

[Hope4More]

1) She messed up by deleting the pics, bleaching and washing the camera not knowing the pics would still be recoverable. This was just one in a series of mistakes she made, including leaving DNA evidence and miscalculating the gas can trail. She had no need to plant photos as she already has abundant proof of their sexual relationship - including the May 10 tape. Her purpose was to murder him, not blackmail him further. She was found guilty by a jury of premeditated murder.



The mistake that is easy to make is to view what she intended AFTER the fact. Travis wasn't expecting her. There is zero evidence that he welcomed her or had sex with her or agreed to shower pics other than her word (no thanks) and pics of sex that she could have put there to threaten him with that day. Not for afterwards, unless to delete from his camera and try to put them on his computer to dirty him up post-murder, which, by the way is exactly what she did almost literally the day his body was found.




2) The memory card excuse was simply desperate scrabbling to deflect Detective Flores. She told countless other lies during that interview. She claimed to have discussed the camera with Travis. Of course she would be familiar with memory sticks and may have discussed those too. I had the same camera and have looked up compatible cards. Neither Arias, the defence (defense) or prosecution made anything of the memory card remark. Juan Martinez dismissed it as wholly implausible. The reasoning behind her need to plant pics makes no sense to me at all.


See above about why. Yes, she could have been deflecting, but it is also possible she genuinely was surprised those pics were recoverable. If they weren't taken on June 4, she had NO explanation she could give to explain how they got there without admitting premed. She would have been stuck with the had sex story that day.



4) Travis was dead before he could choose which pics to be deleted on any device.


Yes. I'm referring to an earlier time, in Mesa.



5) and 6) I agree that there is no proof he knew she was coming and her hesitation around arrival time (in interviews) is palpable.



7) I agree that the timeline for the day, apart from the times stamped on pics is mostly just her word. The afternoon is particularly unconvincing. Neither Arias nor the prosecution disputed the time of the pics though. Accepting the pics are genuine doesn't negate these other points we agree on.


The sex pics couldn't conclusively be proven to have been taken another time by either the DT or JM, but for different reasons. And.. the sex on June 4th narrative was valuable to each side, again, for different reasons.




8) I agree the story behind the shower pics is probably yet another lie. It doesn't mean the pics aren't genuine or the times stamps.

The shower pics were taken that day, and were easier to recover. Doesn't mean the timestamps on them were accurate.



In the pics, her hair is not blonde but dark brown and comparable with interview sessions in length and colour (brassy undertones in certain light). We are asked to believe the shower scenes are genuine but the sex ones planted? Too much of a reach for me especially with no logical argument behind the memory stick debate.

Difficult to answer point by point on this phone, so am responding up there within your quote.

 

[TexMex]

I believe all that was true about Travis...young, inexperienced, easy to manipulate, etc, didn't understand how crazy she was...UNTIL mid-May.

I think it no coincidence that she started lining up her murder duckies then, exactly at the time he really did begin to understand how crazy she was.

And after May 25-26? Noooooo way he didn't get it. He said he was scared of her and I believe him. I think he said most of what he did for the first half or more of the call (as do the Hughes) because he was trying to have her believe he would forgive and forget... as long as she put it in writing.

She was way ahead of him playing that game, and it was only when she didn't give him what he wanted-- proof-- that he let out the rage he'd held in check for months.

He didn't tell her he was sorry afterwards. He wasn't. He HATED her, and said so, over and over.

Sex after that? And pics taken? Just doesn't add up, especially when nothing she says about June 4 adds up either .

He says in the May 26 fight that she knows he'll be weak and give in to sex again. That he's addicted to her. IMO she used that against him. She shows up, KY ready and he gave in. Pics taken similar to ones they talked about taking in May 10 call.

IMO he figured why not. He hadn't had sex that we know of since she left in early April. It's now early June. He won't be getting any sex from Mimi in Cancun (she had already Friend Zoned him). He had a naked woman in his room and he did what they'd been doing for close to two years. Afterward he no doubt felt guilty. Disappointed in himself. But, trying to be nice and get her to leave ASAP he went along with her ruse for shower pics. Did he sign a permission slip? Nope. But he half heartedly "posed". She finally got him in the position she wanted him and stabbed him in the heart

 

[Hope4More]

IIRC there was no testimony the internal memory had been wiped

Wiped is not the best word, maybe, but I'm pretty sure Dworkin said there was nothing in the camera's internal memory, all pics were on the memory stick.

 

[Steve44]

He didn't tell her he was sorry afterwards. He wasn't. He HATED her, and said so, over and over.

Sex after that? And pics taken? Just doesn't add up, especially when nothing she says about June 4 adds up either .

But, this is where Jodi's manipulation comes in, her knowledge of how Travis's mind worked, and how she could get what she wanted from him in spite of him hating her:

Yes, at this point Travis hated her, but he also hated himself for hating her. He did not like to carry grudges; he did not want to believe that anyone could be so bad that the only thing you could do was hate them, full stop. Everyone has some good in them...

So Jodi shows up, Capitulates fully, says she sees now that Travis was right all along. She acknowledges that it's really and truly over between them, but it was a wild and crazy ride, in which they both learned so much...but, let's not end it on a bad note, we can end as friends, and appreciate each other for what we learned, some hard lessons, but valuable none the less...

Travis would find this very persuasive, because that's exactly what he wanted, while his current frame of mind is exactly what he didn't want...and Jodi knew that very well.

 

[EquallyDivided]

Another thing that I'm pondering as I sit here relishing in the aftermath of Juan's book...

On the day they arrest the Murderer, investigators see several boxes in the backseat, some marked with Jodi. I saw no mention of ANYTHING found in the trunk of the car, other than eventually finding the gun in a case along with an unloaded ammo clip.

So my guess is in actuality, she either didn't want her family to find it while loading the car, or LE to find it if she got pulled over.

I don't recall that they ever recovered 9mm ammunition. I just found it odd that her boxes (one continuing 2 kitchen knives) were in the backseat and not in the trunk. When i travel, i purposely put items in the trunk so when i make a stop, people wouldnt feel compelled to steal from an easy target.

Why is nothing in the trunk? Easy access to the weapon? Why does that matter, considering the clip was unloaded?

No matter how much she tried to conceal her actions, she made some seriously bone headed deductions about wether or not people would point the finger right up her nose. Completely oblivious about her perception to other people. Deluded. And for as smart as she thought she was, her tracks were as clear as if Travis had written her name on the wall, in his own blood.

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[Hope4More]

He says in the May 26 fight that she knows he'll be weak and give in to sex again. That he's addicted to her. IMO she used that against him. She shows up, KY ready and he gave in. Pics taken similar to ones they talked about taking in May 10 call.

IMO he figured why not. He hadn't had sex that we know of since she left in early April. It's now early June. He won't be getting any sex from Mimi in Cancun (she had already Friend Zoned him). He had a naked woman in his room and he did what they'd been doing for close to two years. Afterward he no doubt felt guilty. Disappointed in himself. But, trying to be nice and get her to leave ASAP he went along with her ruse for shower pics. Did he sign a permission slip? Nope. But he half heartedly "posed". She finally got him in the position she wanted him and stabbed him in the heart

He did have at least one romp after she left. He lined up 2 for a single night (May 1) , though had to settle for just one.

More to the point, as I just posted, I don't take what he said on May 26 at face value. He wasn't addicted to her. He was barely polite to her in May, and for the most part had cut her off by May 16-18, and by May 22 was done with her until she threatened him on May 25-26.

After the May 13 setup, what I see is each feeling threatened by the other and each trying to get the upperhand in order to not be brought down. Not a fair fight.

 

[Hope4More]

But, this is where Jodi's manipulation comes in, her knowledge of how Travis's mind worked, and how she could get what she wanted from him in spite of him hating her:

Yes, at this point Travis hated her, but he also hated himself for hating her. He did not like to carry grudges; he did not want to believe that anyone could be so bad that the only thing you could do was hate them, full stop. Everyone has some good in them...

So Jodi shows up, Capitulates fully, says she sees now that Travis was right all along. She acknowledges that it's really and truly over between them, but it was a wild and crazy ride, in which they both learned so much...but, let's not end it on a bad note, we can end as friends, and appreciate each other for what we learned, some hard lessons, but valuable none the less...

Travis would find this very persuasive, because that's exactly what he wanted, while his current frame of mind is exactly what he didn't want...and Jodi knew that very well.

I understand the psychology of that and it is what I fully believed for a very long time. I've gone back and forth and back again about the sex pics on June 4.


The only reason I care whether or not they had sex that day (there are many more things - almost anything , really, that I'd rather think about) is because I'm a pit bull about trying to piece things together .

The more I know about that day, the more nothing adds up. There is no reason I can think of why she couldn't answer a single question about that day's timeline without thinking it over ....when she did at all.

What is incriminating about going there, having sex, taking a shower, packing, etc.? Nothing. Not those parts of the day. So why wouldn't /couldn't she answer the simplest of questions about a timeline?