Publicity Stunt or Reward-splitting alternative?

[txsvicki]

I don't really believe it at all, because Kyron would be telling once he came home, but I did think of a deep resentment towards the school system and a plot to get even with them by filing a huge lawsuit for negligence. I suppose that could work even if he does never come home.

 

[Emeralgem]

Respectfully edited. BBM. The "hand-off" is where I am in the case today. I am beginning to think that TH might be the "key" to Kyron's disappearance, but she is not the perp. jmo

BBM.. Not that I want her or anyone in their family to be the perp, but I don't know IF I can handle another SM being referred to as the key, covering for the real perp... JMO

 

[sofia76]

The suing the school as motive theory doesn't work for me because the parents haven't said anything negative about the school. If I had cooked up such a diabolical plan (murder my child or have someone else kidnap him so that I could engage in a lengthy, questionable lawsuit against a public entity), I would definitely be raising a ruckus from the get-go!

Instead, it appears no one is blaming the school at all. :waitasec:

 

[liz b.]

Wow... It would take an exceptionally stupid ,thoughtless person (s) to try to prank the FBI,and waste the valuable time of the CARD unit.... highly unlikely, IMO.

 

[MsFacetious]

Wow... It would take an exceptionally stupid ,thoughtless person (s) to try to prank the FBI,and waste the valuable time of the CARD unit.... highly unlikely, IMO.

*In general, not directed specifically at you.*

Again... it would take an exceptionally stupid and thoughtless person to try and trick the public, the FBI, waste the valuable time of the searchers and the CARD unit. IF they had simply murdered the child and knew he wasn't missing.

I am still not understanding why the faking the abduction for money/other motive is less likely because of stupidity, thoughtlessness, reputation, education, etc. Yet, the murder is more believable... I guess because the murder happens more often? :waitasec:

 

[LadyL]

hadn't crossed my mind at all

 

[sofia76]

I am still not understanding why the faking the abduction for money/other motive is less likely because of stupidity, thoughtlessness, reputation, education, etc. Yet, the murder is more believable... I guess because the murder happens more often? :waitasec:

I think it would be harder to pull off, quite frankly. How do you keep this living child under wraps? You would need at least one accomplice, which complicates things exponentially (no matter what the crime!). What is the plan for afterward? Does the child get killed? Does the child get found? How will the child account for his/her whereabouts? What happens to the accomplice? What if you don't get your money? What if the accomplice doesn't get their money? And so on.

 

[crocus]

I think when a child goes missing there is a very BIG danger, in the automatic collecting of funds due to this case; I have mentioned this in a couple cases, namely in the Somer Thompson case. There is a real danger here in missing children cases & I was scoffed-off by many. We DO NOT want to see this happen as a possible motive for ANY child "to go missing" was my point! I appreciate in this case, the parents DID NOT ask for a collection and LE said early on "donations could aid the search". PEOPLE there is a real danger here; no matter where your heart is....it takes time to do an investigation and family has to be ruled out. It is a scary scenario with frauds. Although everyone has the right to donate to whoever they want...it might prove harm (to future cases) given the Matthews case. But to just to re-iterate hasn't happened in this case, so that rules out that motive in this regard, IMO.

Wait.......are you stating that there was misappropriation/abuse of funds in the Somer Thompson case?

What do you mean by "there is a real danger here?"

 

[Psychout]

This could also have some significance in regard to a hand-off or cover up, or maybe it is nothing, but I also found it interesting reading about the conflicting report about whether or not Kyron had been seen after 8:45 p.m. when the SM claims to have watched him walk to his classroom.

At the very beginning of the case (and I'm sure this has been discussed in other threads as well) Kyron's deskmate and "best friend" spoke with the media about having seen Kyron in class on the day he went missing. In his story he mentions Kyron's absence being noted but that it was assumed he had gone to the bathroom or gotten a drink.

Source: http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopul...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

In the same story he mentions that Kyron told him he was going to go look at a cool science exhibit.

The boy's story was discredited by the Skyline principal who said there were no substitutes that Friday, so Pumala could have mistaken the teachers' conversation from another day.

But that doesn't explain how the science exhibit conversation with Kyron got intertwined with the story or why the parents/ grandparents allowed the child to share his story with the media after having been asked not to speak with the media. So, I just wonder what the real motivations behind allowing him to speak were- he seemed to have the story down pat, but I don't know...just my own curiousity and I'm not trying to insuinuate anything because I don't really know what to make of it.

Then, LE has stated that the SM was the last person to see Kyron at 8:45 a.m. and that no one saw him after. However, I wonder when was the last time of the morning someone who was NOT the SM saw him, because the latest time I have seen reported in the media is 8:15 by the PTO woman. That is just strange to me, because I would think- at least from the science fairs I've been to- that the students stand by their projects and other students will ask them questions, or at least that the children will socialize with each other while their parents talk to one another.

Anyway, just bringing in more things to consider.

 

[butterfly1978]

This could also have some significance in regard to a hand-off or cover up, or maybe it is nothing, but I also found it interesting reading about the conflicting report about whether or not Kyron had been seen after 8:45 p.m. when the SM claims to have watched him walk to his classroom.

At the very beginning of the case (and I'm sure this has been discussed in other threads as well) Kyron's deskmate and "best friend" spoke with the media about having seen Kyron in class on the day he went missing. In his story he mentions Kyron's absence being noted but that it was assumed he had gone to the bathroom or gotten a drink.

Source: http://www.koinlocal6.com/mostpopul...te-noticed-Horman/TVY3YTREG0SyCP3tb3MkZg.cspx

In the same story he mentions that Kyron told him he was going to go look at a cool science exhibit.

The boy's story was discredited by the Skyline principal who said there were no substitutes that Friday, so could have mistaken the teachers' conversation from another day.

But that doesn't explain how the science exhibit conversation with Kyron got intertwined with the story or why the parents/ grandparents allowed the child to share his story with the media after having been asked not to speak with the media. So, I just wonder what the real motivations behind allowing him to speak were- he seemed to have the story down pat, but I don't know...just my own curiousity and I'm not trying to insuinuate anything because I don't really know what to make of it.

Then, LE has stated that the SM was the last person to see Kyron at 8:45 a.m. and that no one saw him after. However, I wonder when was the last time of the morning someone who was NOT the SM saw him, because the latest time I have seen reported in the media is 8:15 by the PTO woman. That is just strange to me, because I would think- at least from the science fairs I've been to- that the students stand by their projects and other students will ask them questions, or at least that the children will socialize with each other while their parents talk to one another.

Anyway, just bringing in more things to consider.

Psychout, I know you are new here and your post is excellant, but we can't use minors names other than Kyron even if they are mentioned in the media you can say Kyrons classmate but no names.. It can get you a timeout, so go back and edit your post kay...:blowkiss:
I edited the part I quoted as well

 

[Donjeta]

I wish it is a publicity stunt because it would probably mean that Kyron is alive and well taken care of but I doubt it because I haven't seen the publicity seeking behavior. The family's been getting feedback about the lack of public pleas and behavior on Facebook but I'd think they'd have been queuing in front of the talk show studios and trying to feed the story online as much as they can if they were after publicity.

 

[Psychout]

Okay, got it! Thanks for the warning!

 

[butterfly1978]

This may be the one and only time that I pray this some kind of plublicity stunt or Hoax, man that would be great, to have a wonderful moment like with balloon boy, thats what we need, but way to often it is what it is and what it is right now is a missing 2nd grader who vanished from his school almost 3 weeks ago, seemingly with out a trace and the longer this goes the worse it looks. JC Dugard and E Smart are the exception to the rule as well as ballon boy and Nadia B

 

[CharlestonGal]

I think it would be harder to pull off, quite frankly. How do you keep this living child under wraps? You would need at least one accomplice, which complicates things exponentially (no matter what the crime!). What is the plan for afterward? Does the child get killed? Does the child get found? How will the child account for his/her whereabouts? What happens to the accomplice? What if you don't get your money? What if the accomplice doesn't get their money? And so on.

Yes, those are all the reasons I ruled out this scenario in the beginning, especially if it ends with a live Kyron. How do you get a 7 year old to go along with something like that and not tell all to the FBI when he magically reappears? The other alternative (the one that ends with a deceased Kyron) is no longer a hoax - it's murder for gain.

I'm not feeling this theory at all. Unless perpetrated by a 12 year old mind - and if that's the case it would have unraveled long ago.

 

[2goldfish]

Sorry guys but this is not a hoax.

Not to disparage the original idea/poster on this, but to continue to debate it as a legitimate argument as to what is happening in this case, is enough for me to post (once) in this thread to say:

No way. Not even a slim chance. This is not a hoax.

I wish I had your certainty in anything at all about this case. based on what we know it all makes so little sense I cant form any opinion.

 

[adh74]

The only way I see it being a hoax is if it was a secret hand-off meant to create a situation where he would be "found" shortly after and they could sue the school district. But the plan went awry when the school called 911 and attracted so much media attention. Now, they are under 24/7 surviellance and their plan to "find" Kyron is interrupted.

 

[Psychout]

You make a good point Charlestongirl, and this isn't necessarily a theory I believe will pan out.

I think it is possible that if this were a 'hoax', there are many ways it could have gone down and that doesn't necessarily mean that Kyron would be in on it, but simply that one or more of the family members saying he's lost could be in on it or know who took him but aren't telling the others or LE, which could explain the odd behavior that has been speculated on by the media and the public (such as emotional distance at press conferences, questionable actions such as towing the white truck, going to the gym, the cellphone ping contradictions, 'stay away from media' to friends etc.).

The hoax part of it would be that he was never taken from the SM or maybe even dad against their will, or maybe his own will, but they would want the public to assume it was a total stranger or negligence on the part of the school to keep the heat off them. The motive could be extortion of another family member or sharing money for being the one to find him or a deeper issue w/in the family- we've read in the Portland news how complex the backstory is.

I also think it would be a stupid move, b/c a child would be likely to tell when returned- but since we don't have an official POI there's no guarantee of the intelligence of whomever he is with/was with. He also might not necessarily be able to make out what happened on the 4th if he is being drugged, or was handed off to a person he didn't know under a false assumption, or if it was staged to look like he was taken from a parent. He could be being kept in a basement or backyard or right out in the open, but in a way that's unrecognizable.

 

[mamaeb]

I shared a dream the other day where kyron was alive and found. How the people finding him kept saying things like they had found him in an obvious place.

Then I saw this thread about this being a hoax, or like balloon boy and something in my heart connected.

almost like after a dream , later in the day you remember a part of it.
I feel like in my dream the rescuers though the same thing. .. that it was a hoax.


For some reason in the back of my head, when I first saw this case I thought this was a hoax, that was my first reaction. From there I moved on to all sorts of other ideas.

When I first saw them searching attics I thought about balloon boy. When balloon boy was lost my first reaction and comment was "he is not in the balloon he is home, he is in the attic" and he was.

I have asked before if there has been any news media connecting Nevada to this case.
Any sightings there? I am very curious to know.

 

[RubyRed]

I shared a dream the other day where kyron was alive and found. How the people finding him kept saying things like they had found him in an obvious place.

Then I saw this thread about this being a hoax, or like balloon boy and something in my heart connected.

almost like after a dream , later in the day you remember a part of it.
I feel like in my dream the rescuers though the same thing. .. that it was a hoax.


For some reason in the back of my head, when I first saw this case I thought this was a hoax, that was my first reaction. From there I moved on to all sorts of other ideas.

When I first saw them searching attics I thought about balloon boy. When balloon boy was lost my first reaction and comment was "he is not in the balloon he is home, he is in the attic" and he was.

I have asked before if there has been any news media connecting Nevada to this case.
Any sightings there? I am very curious to know.

bbm

Mary Jean Kelso of Fernley, Nev., saw a boy she thought might be Kyron at the small town's Wal-Mart on June 13. She called the tip line that evening, but said she has yet to hear back from investigators.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/investigators_in_kyron_horman.html

 

[mamaeb]

bbm

Mary Jean Kelso of Fernley, Nev., saw a boy she thought might be Kyron at the small town's Wal-Mart on June 13. She called the tip line that evening, but said she has yet to hear back from investigators.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/investigators_in_kyron_horman.html

oh, wow, thank you. I am now googling to see if she is quoted anywhere else. I would like to know who this boy was seen with