Question about Terry Hobbs

Terry Hobbs issues statement about WM3 release

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I’ve prayed for Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jesse Misskelley more than once, and as recently as last night. I’ve asked the Lord to work a miracle of forgiveness in me toward them, and believe he is al-ready answering that prayer. My hope for them is that they live good and productive lives for the rest of their time on this earth.

http://crittendencounty.wmctv.com/news/crime/58235-terry-hobbs-issues-statement-about-wm3-release
 
Puffin,

He didn't. That's the point. Some neighbors saw him with the three little boys but they didn't tell LE until it became public knowledge that TH had denied seeing the boys. Then, they realized that they had valuable information that they needed to share. So they did. It was well after the murders, so the neighbors weren't seeking their fifteen minutes. In fact, the neighbors had no reason to fabricate this sighting of TH with the little boys. The dilemma, at least to me, is why TH would want to keep his contact with the little boys a secret. Any thoughts?

Well if Stevie's mom wanted him to stay home, which she probably did since she told him to be home at a certain time, he didn't show up, and she left him food, and TH then let him leave for whatever reason (laziness, didn't want to deal with him) his wife would blame him, ie "If you'd made him stay home like I said, he'd still be alive!" I think it's more likely that the neighbors got their dates confused. Does TH now acknowledge that he saw the boys after Pam left? It seems pretty obvious that any sighting of a missing/deceased child would be valuable information, and would need to be reported right away.
 
I don't need the Ballards to tell me that Hobbs saw the boys that day....his Dna was found in the shoelace. That says it all afaic.
 
As to your first bullet point, I noticed that you didn't post the last paragraph of my previous post where I point out under what circumstances I felt that someone could remember with clarity events that had transpired years earlier, which was the reason for my anecdote in the first place. If I can remember something from that long ago, it is reasonable to assume that others can, too. That is the meaning of a "memorable event." Just because Terry Hobbs can't remember things doesn't mean that others don't.

Next, you mention that the girls were young, 13 and 11, at the time. So were the "softball girls" whose testimony was accepted at the trial. IMO, they were seeking attention, but these women are now testifying from the perspective of adults about past events. I tend to believe adults over giggly tweens any day. Remember Salem, MA?

As to your next point, they didn't know until much later that TH was denying having seen the boys. They were young at the time, as you pointed out, and didn't realize that their information was important. When it became public knowledge that Terry was denying having seen the boys, they came forward with their information.

Sharing the information with Echols' investigators seems natural to me. The police were no longer investigating, and the defense team was. Who's to say that they didn't go to the WMPD, only to be shot down as Pam Hicks Hobbs was by Gitchell when he told her not to mess up his investigation when she tried to give him information that didn't support the prosecution's theory?

With the Rico statement (who, BTW, was an adult who realized immediately that what she saw was important), the time frame she gave of between 6:30 and 7:00 makes it possible for the boys to be seen by the neighbors at 6:30 and Ms. Rico at 7:00. No one was looking at a clock. The girls were waiting for a ride to church which is what gave them their time frame. I don't recall Ms. Rico citing any particular reason for her time frame. Therefore, it's reasonable to assume that she could have been off by a little either way.

Just because Jamie said that she saw Ryan at school the next day doesn't necessarily mean that Ryan had attended school. He could have gone by to get his assignments. She didn't say that she saw him in class or anything that explicitly implied that he was in attendance at school. She said that Ryan told her that the police had found the bodies. Since cell phones were not that prevalent in '93, it seems to me much more logical that Ryan had come by the school after the bodies were found for his assignments and happened to see Jamie and talk to her because she was a friend and he was upset.

As to your last bullet point, I see no great conflict here. Ryan simply didn't remember Mark asking him to look for Chris before they went to court. The important thing to Ryan was his court date. Just because he didn't mention that Jamie was with him (as she says she was most days) doesn't mean that she wasn't. Basically, at least to me, they are telling the same thing.
You remember with clarity your fear for your own son. Do you remember what you were doing and who you saw, and at what times you saw them, the day the other little girl drowned?

The young girl who reported, within a reasonable amount of time, hearing Damien brag about the murders at the softball field stands by her story to this day, as an adult with the perspective of an adult. Why discount her but embrace these new stories?

Why would this stuff be so burned into the memories of people who casually knew the boys but not into the memory of his own brother? I am not aware of any evidence that Ryan went to school that day, are you?
 
Like Casey Anthony, TH is guilty of accidentally killing his own step son (with Casey it was her own daughter). Casey's jury found her not guilty, except of the cover up, basically. TH may not ever face a jury trial, but, if he does, he has the added crime of allowing three young men to spend over half of their lives (to this point) in prison for his crime. So, hopefully, his jury won't be so forgiving.

If there were compelling evidence of TH's guilt, I'd hope the judge and jury would be a lot more concerned with getting justice for the 3 murdered boys than the WM3, who are now alive and free. I'd hope that the fact that 3 innocent children were murdered would inspire them to go harder on him than the idea that 3 guys went to prison but lived to walk free and tell the tale. Wouldn't you rather spend time in prison than be brutally murdered? The real victims will never take another breath on this earth. The WM3 are alive.
 
Without a doubt, the Ballards have been paid off by the defense, either with money or empty promises.

That may be true considering the upcoming film and all the others in the previous films were paid $$. So, you have a really good point. Besides that, I thought that some of the supporters were also blaming Byers too.

It seems to me that if the DNA testing that was going to 'prove WM3 innocent' was going to occur in Nov/Dec that they should have waited so that could be proven. If I were a supporter I would be mad because they didn't wait and now we will not know about that lil' ol' DNA test.
 
That may be true considering the upcoming film and all the others in the previous films were paid $$. So, you have a really good point. Besides that, I thought that some of the supporters were also blaming Byers too.

It seems to me that if the DNA testing that was going to 'prove WM3 innocent' was going to occur in Nov/Dec that they should have waited so that could be proven. If I were a supporter I would be mad because they didn't wait and now we will not know about that lil' ol' DNA test.
Yep, the supporters will never know.

That brings up an interesting topic. Do you suppose that some of the money collected for the Memphis Three went to pay for a few supporters to post positive opinions under news articles and numerous forums? Some support sites are still collecting money. Who is now benefitting from the incoming donations?
 
Like Casey Anthony, TH is guilty of accidentally killing his own step son (with Casey it was her own daughter). Casey's jury found her not guilty, except of the cover up, basically. TH may not ever face a jury trial, but, if he does, he has the added crime of allowing three young men to spend over half of their lives (to this point) in prison for his crime. So, hopefully, his jury won't be so forgiving.

He is? He wasn't found guilty by a jury. Do you have a link to his confession? Did he confess multiple times and once to his attorney in graphic detail?
 
The supporter movement is collecting money to continue what the State of Arkansas refuses to do, find more and compelling evidence that implicates THe real killer of Michael, Chris and Stevie. That takes money. Some big names are already on board with this plan, and the supporter movement will not rest until Damien, Jason and Jessie are fully exonerated and THe real killer is in jail.
 
The supporter movement is collecting money to continue what the State of Arkansas refuses to do, find more and compelling evidence that implicates THe real killer of Michael, Chris and Stevie. That takes money. Some big names are already on board with this plan, and the supporter movement will not rest until Damien, Jason and Jessie are fully exonerated and THe real killer is in jail.

Isn't the money also being used to support the men in their transition to free life? Pretty sure I read that.

I'm anxiously awaiting the release of compelling evidence that anyone other than Damien, Jason and Jessie committed the crimes that they were convicted of. I'm not holding my breath. They've supposedly been working on it awhile, and nothing yet. Would the supporter movement release test results showing their guilt? I'd like to hope so, but I very seriously doubt that.
 
CR.. I truly respect the fact that you have studied this case for years and know the players and documents inside and out. It's nice to know that people actually research the *facts* of this trial and do not base their opinions based on mere emotion and feelings. I think that's what Natalie Maines was talking about in her PSA about these 3 young men and this trial. Facts did not prevail. Emotions, bias, rumor and incompetence caused a grave miscarriage of justice.
I'm currently reading all the documentation I can get my hands on in order to obtain knowledgeable, informed, intelligent conclusions.
From what I've read, TH changed his story about that evening a few times and OH YEAH, there was that DNA evidence entangled in the shoelace of Michael Moore. Thank God in 2011, we can rely on scientific DNA evidence and not emotion. :woot:
 
Why didn't Todd Moore tell the police that he saw Damien Echols walking near the woods that day?

I'm sure all you nons visit the Hoax board so I'm sure you saw his post...

I do not regularly visit the hoax board, so I never saw this. Can someone link to it? I am not a member, so I can't search.
 
Terry Hobbs issues statement about WM3 release

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I’ve prayed for Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jesse Misskelley more than once, and as recently as last night. I’ve asked the Lord to work a miracle of forgiveness in me toward them, and believe he is al-ready answering that prayer. My hope for them is that they live good and productive lives for the rest of their time on this earth.

http://crittendencounty.wmctv.com/news/crime/58235-terry-hobbs-issues-statement-about-wm3-release
The posters here that are non supporters are angry because the WM3 are free.
They are angry because they believe 3 people who viciously attacked 3 innocent boys and murdered them were set free.They never met these 3 boys that died 18 years ago but they feel outraged.
If I would think the WM3 were guilty,if I would even suspect they had anything at all to do with that crime I would feel the same way right now.
Todd Moore loved his son and I can't even begin to imagine his pain thinking his kid's murderers were freed.
Yet Terry Hobbs has forgiven them??????
IMO Terry Hobbs needs to keep praying and hoping that his God is indeed a forgiving one.
 
The posters here that are non supporters are angry because the WM3 are free.
They are angry because they believe 3 people who viciously attacked 3 innocent boys and murdered them were set free.They never met these 3 boys that died 18 years ago but they feel outraged.
If I would think the WM3 were guilty,if I would even suspect they had anything at all to do with that crime I would feel the same way right now.
Todd Moore loved his son and I can't even begin to imagine his pain thinking his kid's murderers were freed.
Yet Terry Hobbs has forgiven them??????
IMO Terry Hobbs needs to keep praying and hoping that his God is indeed a forgiving one.
I think that almost every person who is at all familiar with this case would agree that TH is a low life. The only thing that he could say that I would be at all interested in hearing or reading would involve a confession.
 
Puffin,

The reason that I can accept the Ballard/Clark affidavits is because of something that happened when my son (who is now 36) was barely two years old. We had just moved to Houston, TX, and I was selling Avon cosmetics to make a few extra bucks. I went out to deliver some orders and left my son with his father, my husband. When I came back, my husband had fallen asleep, and my son was nowhere to be found. Since a young child had just been found in a bayou a few days before, I was afraid that something had happened to him along those lines. My husband and I searched for about 20 minutes before one of my customers came walking up the street, holding him by the hand. (He had been going door-to-door asking, "Is my mommy here selling Abon?")

What does this have to do with the Ballard/Clark affidavit? I am pretty certain that the murders of Stevie, Chris and Michael were emblazoned into the memories of most of the people in West Memphis. Whenever something happens to a child or children, most people remember it vividly, especially in a small town. That's why I was so concerned about my child drowning instead of the more obvious fear of being run over (since we lived very near a very busy street). The Sherry Lynn Anderson story (that's the little girl who was drowned; I still remember her name 34 years later) made me think that way.

It is not a stretch at all for me to believe that the two neighbors remembered with clarity the events of that afternoon since the little boys were found murdered the next afternoon. What is very hard for me to believe is that the step father of one of those little boys does not have a vivid memory of the events of that day. Can you explain that?

I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here for a minute... Why didn't it come out earlier? If it were emblazoned on their memory then you would think it would have gotten around by now. Such as anybody talking to them about the murders I'm sure they would have said something along the lines of "Gosh I saw them that day with Terry" rumors and gossip start fast and that surely would have gotten around a small town. Not saying I dispute it, but 16 years is a very long time to remember something like that. On another note, maybe it did get around and the WMPD disputed it as just rumor.
 
Terry Hobbs issues statement about WM3 release

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I’ve prayed for Damien Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jesse Misskelley more than once, and as recently as last night. I’ve asked the Lord to work a miracle of forgiveness in me toward them, and believe he is al-ready answering that prayer. My hope for them is that they live good and productive lives for the rest of their time on this earth.

http://crittendencounty.wmctv.com/news/crime/58235-terry-hobbs-issues-statement-about-wm3-release

What a saint, TH is....
 
I'm gonna play Devil's Advocate here for a minute... Why didn't it come out earlier? If it were emblazoned on their memory then you would think it would have gotten around by now. Such as anybody talking to them about the murders I'm sure they would have said something along the lines of "Gosh I saw them that day with Terry" rumors and gossip start fast and that surely would have gotten around a small town. Not saying I dispute it, but 16 years is a very long time to remember something like that. On another note, maybe it did get around and the WMPD disputed it as just rumor.

I don't think it was ever hidden, just nobody attached any importance to it. Its what the french call a "secret de Polichinelle", a secret that's hidden out in the open. The people that know it never mention it because they think its common knowledge already.

It was only after he tried to sue the Dixie Chicks that the Ballards realised he denied seeing the boys that day.
 
I don't think it was ever hidden, just nobody attached any importance to it. Its what the french call a "secret de Polichinelle", a secret that's hidden out in the open. The people that know it never mention it because they think its common knowledge already.

It was only after he tried to sue the Dixie Chicks that the Ballards realised he denied seeing the boys that day.

Very possible, but I'm curious with as much attention as this case has garnered how come it wasn't picked up on by a supporter until the Pasdar depo? It would have been a pretty important tidbit to them. Just curious, not discounting it in the least and really feel it holds a lot of importance even though not to much stock can legitimately be put into it due to the length of time that has passed.
 

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