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[anthroamy]

The charge sheet can be seen here: http://llnw.static.cbslocal.com/station/kpix/docs/2009/garrido-complaint.pdf

They way they are structured (for both Nancy and PG) is as follows:

Common charges for both of them include the following:

1 count of kidnapping a child under 14 sometime between June 91 and May 94 (I am guessing that is when Jaycee turned 14)
1 count of kidnapping sometime between June 91 and August 09
1 charge of false imprisonment sometime between June 91 and August 09.

Individual charges for each of them:

2 counts of rape in the first month (June-July 91). I'm not sure why these two would be considered distinct from the lewd conduct ones. It may be that specific dates can be attached to them or those particular ones were described in detail when the evidence was collected.

7 counts of lewd conduct with a child under the age of 14 structured as follows:
--- 1 count between June 91 and July 91 (the first month)
--- 5 counts at 6 month intervals between July 91 and December 93
--- 1 count between January 94 and May 94 (5 months, till she turned 14)

Then there is a gap between June 94 until November 94 (I'm guessing she was heavily pregnant at this time and consequently wasn't assaulted. That would mean the first daughter would have been born around November 94 if true)

Then rape charges start.
1 count in the month of December 94
3 counts sometime during 12 month intervals starting January 95 and ending December 97

Collectively these make the 29 charges.

Jaycee would have turned 18 in May 98, however, she would have been heavily pregnant with the second daughter around then, so there may have been no assaults for the last 5 months. Garrido claimed that things changed after the second child was born, and Jaycee claimed that Garrido "hadn't touched her in years". In any event no further rape charges are made after this point.

A point to note is that these charges were made soon after the arrests, and presumably before full investigation and assembly of evidence, so it is possible that some may dropped and others added depending on what subsequent investigations have revealed.

Thanks Natal. More specifically, I was wondering why, between July 91 and May 94, they have 7 counts of "forcible lewd acts" which specify that 1) sexual intercourse took place 2) force was used. It seems to me that if sexual intercourse occurred and force was used then those charges could just as easily be forcible rape like the others. Why aren't they?

 

[Natal]

The code for that stuff is a bit confusing with the special allegations, but it looks like they carry a higher penalty. I don't understand the purpose of the first two rape charges, they are pretty minor in comparison to the rest.

 

[JBean]

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[Billylee]

Did Patricia Garrido (or as Patricia Franzen) own rental properties between 1969 and 1993?

 

[Billylee]

What was/were the name(s) of the band(s) Phillip Garrido played with after he left high school through the time he went to prison in 1977? His occupation is listed as musician in a band. What band(s) and where did they play?

 

[time]

What was/were the name(s) of the band(s) Phillip Garrido played with after he left high school through the time he went to prison in 1977? His occupation is listed as musician in a band. What band(s) and where did they play?

Can't find the band's or bands' name(s), but found thi

"You know, we were all partying back then, smoking some weed, but I knew when to quit," said Mike Kelley, 58, a classmate whose band the Village Drunks competed for dance gigs with the Garrido Band in high school. "I guess Phil didn't.

Maybe the name in High School was the "Garrido Band".
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/06/MNG319IJD3.DTL

Garrido was a Bassist and the band seemed popular.

Also... here is an audio of the same author on AM radio
http://multimedia.play.it/m/audio/26200983/history-behind-phillip-garrido.htm

 

[Billylee]

Can't find the band's or bands' name(s), but found thi

"You know, we were all partying back then, smoking some weed, but I knew when to quit," said Mike Kelley, 58, a classmate whose band the Village Drunks competed for dance gigs with the Garrido Band in high school. "I guess Phil didn't.

Maybe the name in High School was the "Garrido Band".
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/09/06/MNG319IJD3.DTL

Garrido was a Bassist and the band seemed popular.

Also... here is an audio of the same author on AM radio
http://multimedia.play.it/m/audio/26200983/history-behind-phillip-garrido.htm

Thanks. I actually emailed this reporter and he said he wasn't sure of the band's name either. He thought maybe just the Phil Garrido band, but couldn't say. So I'm still looking, someone must remember this guy, especially if they were good.

 

[SunnieRN]

Thanks for validating, that's what I thought. Here are two more questions to validate or not.

1. I read somewhere the God's Desire thing in August at JM was a week long event, (else, it was originally planned or envisioned as a week long thing by Garrido) - how long was it?

2. I thought I read somewhere that Garrido had his church at JM, is that true?

3. Oops, I have another. I thought I read Garrido had his church or held church in his basement, is that true? That was the first I heard he had a basement too!

Please keep in mind that jm told pg that he could NOT hold the event there, but cm told him it was ok.

Did jm realize that pg was becoming more erratic in his behaviors and didn't want him on the property? Or was he afraid that the association would lead to investigation of him and his properties if pg was caught?

 

[Billylee]

Phillip Garrido's middle name is listed on government/legal documents as both "Craig" and "Greg", which is it? Anyone sure?

 

[Billylee]

How did Jaycee (or PG & NG) spell Alyssa's name? I keep seeing it, even in the media spelled different ways. Does anyone have a copy of the emails that actually shows how she spelled it? Thanks.

 

[Billylee]

http://icms.cc-courts.org/tellme/te...urtcode=A&casenumber=MSC92-03606&casetype=CIV


The above case references Patricia Franzen's "work" phone number in 1992 as:

07/29/1992 ** PATRICIA FRANZENS PHONE #S ARE: HM. 754- BUS. 706-
When that number is googled it is this:

Antioch Unified School District - Antioch, CA 94509 - 925-706-

DID PATRICIA FRANZEN WORK FOR THE ANTIOCH UNIFIED SCHOOL DISTRICT IN 1992????

 

[my2sisters]

Phillip Garrido's middle name is listed on government/legal documents as both "Craig" and "Greg", which is it? Anyone sure?

According to his parole docs his middle name is "Craig".

http://www.kcra.com/download/2009/1005/21210542.pdf

This doc answers many of our questions.

PG had 120 days of electronic monitoring in 1993.

 

[Billylee]

According to his parole docs his middle name is "Craig".

http://www.kcra.com/download/2009/1005/21210542.pdf

This doc answers many of our questions.

PG had 120 days of electronic monitoring in 1993.

And according to the El Dorado County arrest and court documents it's Phillip "Greg" Garrido:

http://garrido.eldoradocourt.org/documents.html

(Lord, please don't tell me there could be twins!)

 

[i.b.nora]

According to the
California Birth Index, 1905-1995

Name: Phillip Craig Garrido
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1951
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith
Birth County: Contra Costa

From: Ancestry.com

 

[Billylee]

According to the
California Birth Index, 1905-1995

Name: Phillip Craig Garrido
Birth Date: 5 Apr 1951
Gender: Male
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith
Birth County: Contra Costa

From: Ancestry.com

Wonder where the confusion is coming from??? Did he use both?

 

[SunnieRN]

Wonder where the confusion is coming from??? Did he use both?

Could be if when he was arrested he slurred his words. Craig and Greg sound very similar.

 

[my2sisters]

Wonder where the confusion is coming from??? Did he use both?

Hmmm. Doesn't that seem like a pretty big mistake for the courts or LE to make? We'll have to keep our eyes open for other instances where he used Craig or Greg. I'm surprised it wasn't caught and corrected...maybe it has and we just don't know.

BTW...He did use the alias phillip"c"knight.

 

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Wonder where the confusion is coming from??? Did he use both?

Sort of makes me wonder if 'Greg' is an alias? Although some people do have two middle names, that combination of doesn't really sound right.

(probably was a slur though

 

[time]

And according to the El Dorado County arrest and court documents it's Phillip "Greg" Garrido:

http://garrido.eldoradocourt.org/documents.html

(Lord, please don't tell me there could be twins!)

... original story that appeared in papers:

http://www.rgj.com/article/20090827...ries-of-Garrido-s-arrest-for-rape--kidnapping

From the RGJ archives: 1976 stories of Garrido's arrest for rape, kidnapping

Victim Freed; Man Arrested in Kidnap

Nov. 24, 1976

A Reno policeman Tuesday found a kidnapped South Lake Tahoe woman and her alleged abductor in a Mill Street mini-warehouse.

Police arrested Phillip G. Garrido, a 25-year-old musician who lives at 1855 Market St., Reno, for investigation of kidnapping, rape and infamous crime against nature.

His bail is $30,000. The FBI also is investigating because the crime crossed the California-Nevada border.

Detectives said the victim, a 25-year-old South Lake Tahoe casino worker, reported she was forced into a car in a market parking lot.

She said she was abducted at 7:30 p.m. Monday. She as not otherwise injured, police said....

 

[time]

Name: Phillip C Garrido
Birth Date: 1956
Address: Rr 1 Pob 397e, Antioch, California 94509-0801 (1993)
[Rr 1 Pob 396e, Antioch, California 94509-0701 (1989)]
[1554 Walnut Av, Antioch, California 94509]

Name: Phillip C Garrido
Address: 490 04597jr4 Nca #09189, Antioch, California 94509-0801 (1993)
[1554 Walnut Av, Antioch, California 94509-1101 (1992)]
[Rr 1 Pob 397e, Antioch, California 94509]

These addresses are posted on Michaela's board

Are some of those Rural Route addresses or parcel # or what?