Questions and Discussion Regarding the Timeline

[Karen Anne RN]

I agree. Her antics in spending the night with the baby at other people's houses and carting Caylee around during the first week of June was likely what set off CA, in part, and led to the big Father's Day fight. Remember, apparently CA actually forced casey to bring Caylee home one night when they were sleeping at RM's house, in the middle of the night!: "You can't keep carting her around. You need to stay home and take care of her. You need to get a job. I'm going to take custody away from you if you don't stop this!" And then: "And you stole from grandpa and grandma? And you've been stealing from me? That's it! You're done around here. I'm going to take the baby and I'm going to have you arrested!" casey's response? "Oh yeah? I'll show you. I'm out of here! And I'm taking your pride and joy with me. You can't stop me!" And we know the rest of the story. I agree that it all came down on June 15 and I think little Caylee was killed the next day. No accident.

Or after she left that night?
Casey spent the night with AL on the 15th, and she didn't have Caylee with her.

 

[Karen Anne RN]

Another thing -- TonE said in his interview that KC left her phone at his place when Amy and Cindy took KC home. That's how he later got Amy's number to call her. Lee did not mention in his interview whether he took KC's phone -- it wasn't in the items he enumerated. But...Lee called TonE with the news about Caylee disappearing. Well, wonder who has the phone? LE? I know they said they searched TonE's place, with his permission. But if LE has her phone, how did Lee have TonE's number? Does that question even make sense?

I've thought all along that Casey gave the number to Lee when she started staying at Tony's every night.

 

[compmomnc]

Two things have bothered me.

If KC had left her purse in the car when she abandoned it,then how did she pay for the groceries she had in her arms when Tony picked her up. Also given the fact that the purse was in the car, where was the wallet. Don't you need a drivers license to drive a car; especially if you were going to borrow a friend's car(Amy's)? Was KC breaking the law at that point, by operating a motor vehicle without a license? Now somewhere a smarter WSer probably has a link to what was contained in the purse when discovered. I was just curious.

compmomnc

 

[Dutchie Treat]

That is an awesome question. Which I have never seen an answer to.


From the 400 pages.
I additionally recalled that between the week of 6/22/08-7/6/08, I had two odd contacts from Casey Anthony: In that time period, Casey called me to ask if she could use my shower, since she was not staying w/her parents and Tony (her boyfriend) was out of town. The call occurred at 10 am but unsure of the specific date. I allowed Casey to use the shower, and when she came over, nothing appeared out of the ordinary.

What I don't understand is if Casey was out driving TL's vehicle around while he was out of town, wouldn't she have a house key? Why did she feel a need to shower at JG's place? That's just weird. I can't figure that out.

 

[2goldfish]

Two things have bothered me.

If KC had left her purse in the car when she abandoned it,then how did she pay for the groceries she had in her arms when Tony picked her up. Also given the fact that the purse was in the car, where was the wallet. Don't you need a drivers license to drive a car; especially if you were going to borrow a friend's car(Amy's)? Was KC breaking the law at that point, by operating a motor vehicle without a license? Now somewhere a smarter WSer probably has a link to what was contained in the purse when discovered. I was just curious.

compmomnc

I always get the impression it wasnt a purse in use. she left shoes, pants, etc in there. I think it was just a spare bag.

 

[Insomnia Momma]

Two things have bothered me.

If KC had left her purse in the car when she abandoned it,then how did she pay for the groceries she had in her arms when Tony picked her up. Also given the fact that the purse was in the car, where was the wallet. Don't you need a drivers license to drive a car; especially if you were going to borrow a friend's car(Amy's)? Was KC breaking the law at that point, by operating a motor vehicle without a license? Now somewhere a smarter WSer probably has a link to what was contained in the purse when discovered. I was just curious.

compmomnc

According to AL when he picked Casey up at the Amscot she had food that was in generic plastic bags that she brought from the A's house, not bought at a grocery store. I'm not sure how he knows this though unless Casey told him she grabbed them from her house.

According to LA in his interview, when he got back to the A's house they dumped out the contents of Casey's duffle bag. In the bag was Casey's wallet with ID, cash, credit cards, etc.

IIRC when a search was done (not by TES) of JB Park they found some make-up and a few other things that would be in a womans purse dumped down the side of a embankment. I can't remember where the article is on this though, maybe someone else has it to prove this.

 

[compmomnc]

I always get the impression it wasnt a purse in use. she left shoes, pants, etc in there. I think it was just a spare bag.

Thanks for the info. It makes a bit more sense now, plus the info Insomniamommaposted right after your answer.

compmomnc

 

[Sundance]

Two things have bothered me.

If KC had left her purse in the car when she abandoned it,then how did she pay for the groceries she had in her arms when Tony picked her up. Also given the fact that the purse was in the car, where was the wallet. Don't you need a drivers license to drive a car; especially if you were going to borrow a friend's car(Amy's)? Was KC breaking the law at that point, by operating a motor vehicle without a license? Now somewhere a smarter WSer probably has a link to what was contained in the purse when discovered. I was just curious.

compmomnc

According to TonyL's statement, the groceries Casey had with her when he picked her up at Amscot didn't come from a grocery store, but rather from her parents' house. He said he could tell by the bags the stuff was in, and that she had things like chicken strips and frozen popsicles. So evidently she had been to her parents' house and raided the freezer; I assume before she "ran out of gas".

Regarding the purse, I read somewhere in the vast pages about it, and it gave the impression that it was maybe a spare purse, not the one she was currently using. I assume they could tell that from the contents, but I can't swear to it.

(My apologies in advance if this is already answered, but I haven't finished reading everything here yet.)

 

[liltigress]

We have all been tracking Casey's whereabouts. Is there any talk as to where Caylee was staying or who was keeping her during this week at night? Every account for where Casey spent her nights during this week, she didn't have Caylee.

Ricardo and Amy last saw Caylee on the morning of the 10th.

Kristina and her two kids went walking with Casey and Caylee on June 12th or 13th between 6:00pm to 8:30pm.

Clint says he saw Casey and Caylee at Tony's early then Casey later without Caylee on the 13th.

Casey and Caylee accompanied Tony at the hiphop showcase on the 13th.

The only night I can find that shows Caylee spending the night anywhere is on the 15th with Cindy and George.

 

[TxLady2]

Or after she left that night?
Casey spent the night with AL on the 15th, and she didn't have Caylee with her.

Tony said Casey did not spend the night on the 15th. Clint said she did, but Tony says Clint is mistaken.

 

[shadow of my mind]

Liltigress Caylee's Whereabouts June 10th - 16th?


There was a thread on here somewhere about this exact thing. Check for something with these dates in it or there may be a reference to it on the Oviedo house thread becase that whole idea tied into that location as well. There is some of this idea tied into the thread about Amy H. as well. Not the interview thread but one about her sharing a house with Casey. It is all tied in together as far a theory. Sorry I just do not remember the exact name but BondJamesBond started one or two of those threads. Some of us have been thinking all along that Casey may have been taking Caylee somewhere at night and either leaving her with a unknown person or alone somewhere. One of the problems is CA has never been clear about whether she had Caylee on any of those nights but then again can we believe what she says at this point.
As for myself that is what made the whole Sawgrass thing so compelling. That subject has been mulled over so much already but there is still no satisfactory answer in my opinion. Somewhere there is a location, an empty apartment, empty house, something that Casey had to be using. In the FL heat I just do not see any way that Caylee could have been put in a car trunk night after night. She would have showed signs of illness if she could have survied the heat in such an inclosed space that CA would have noticed on Fathe's day. Let's just hope LE alrady has it figured out.
But in the mean time we have to just keep re-reading statements and putting time lines together with the phone records and text messages. We will find something that will point us the right direction.
Hard work, follow the evidence, accurate information along with good logical deductions and lots of faith. That will be the only way to find Caylee.

 

[liltigress]

Mods, please do not merge this thread. Many of us wanted to pinpoint specific days during June of Casey's activities. Thank you.


Can we put together phone calls, text messages, online messages, witness accounts, etc?

I am bringing over a great post from another thread to start us out. Thank you, WhiteWolf.

Hi, liltigress.

I may as well add my two cents to help confuse everyone.

My thoughts are Casey would have to dispose of Caylee between the afternoon of the 16th to the afternoon of the 24th of June.

Her hours were limited for when she could go back to CA and GA*s house because of their work hours and time off from work. Cindy works days from 8am or 9am to 4:30pm to 5:30pm to 6:00pm) and George works from approximately 3:00pm to 11:30 or 12:am. I think Cindy works Monday through Friday and George works Sunday through Friday (he stated this).

Casey is going to have to play phone tag with Cindy and George on Fridays, Saturdays, and Sundays if she expects to sneak back to their house for Caylee*s body, food, clothes or gas without getting caught.

This leaves a window between 2:30pm to approximately 5:30pm to get in the house and out without getting caught.

Is there any evidence of Casey doing this on the weekend of the 20th (Friday) through Sunday the 22nd?

Does anyone have the cell records and pings for when Casey called Anthony to help her get the gas cans and food on the 20th of June?

It takes approximately a day to a day and a half for decomp to start to smell, and probably a bit longer for liquifaction to occur in any amount to leak in the trunk. This is dependent on Caylee*s body being put in a duffel bag, garbage bag, or some other covering. I can only imagine how horrible the odor would start to smell if her body was in the trunk even between the 16th to the 20th. Even more gross if Casey hid Caylee*s body in the back yard and moved it after the 22nd.

Sorry, I would look this stuff up in the documents, but I have webtv and can*t access them or I would find the info myself.

I*ll post my thoughts on the week of the 23rd through the 29th of June later.

 

[TimeWillTell]

Thanks Liltigress for starting this thread. This time period is very important and very hard to figure out! It definately needs special attention. :clap:

 

[liltigress]

There is also some confusion on what date Casey ran out of gas at Amscot.

I feel like it was on the 27th from Casey's messages about running out of gas 2 Fridays in a row. Tony wasn't clear on this according to his interview.

Jesse said in his interview that Casey called him to help her on the 28th.

I wondered if she played her damsel in distress card for attention in claiming she ran out of gas 2 days in a row with 2 different guys.

 

[liltigress]

Thanks Liltigress for starting this thread. This time period is very important and very hard to figure out! It definately needs special attention. :clap:

I've been out all afternoon and evening and this drove me nuckin futz while I was away. LOL.. Much welcome.

 

[liltigress]

Is there any evidence and facts that Casey spent the night at Tony's on the night of the 15th?

I have come to the conclusion that Clint may have been off on his dates and was possibly confused. Tony has stated that Casey spent the night with him on the 16th.

So where did Casey go on the night of the 15th after she and Cindy got into their fight, ending with Cindy choking Casey?

I believe this is the night Casey killed Caylee.

I also happen to think that George did not see Casey and Caylee going out the door at 12:50pm. Something about his statement of that account bothers me.

 

[TimeWillTell]

We need the ping experts (not me! )! I too think she ran out of gas on the 27th but I can't figure out how she got from Tony's early in the morning to Cindy's (to get ice pops and chicken nuggets) and to Amscot on the 28th.

 

[TakeNote]

We need the ping experts (not me! )! I too think she ran out of gas on the 27th but I can't figure out how she got from Tony's early in the morning to Cindy's (to get ice pops and chicken nuggets) and to Amscot on the 28th.

could that have been when she had CA V.
*GA-chase on the high way*

 

[TimeWillTell]

could that have been when she had CA V.
*GA-chase on the high way*

Honestly I don't remember what day he said that was on now! Thanks I had forgotten all about that!! :waitasec:

 

[liltigress]

We need the ping experts (not me! )! I too think she ran out of gas on the 27th but I can't figure out how she got from Tony's early in the morning to Cindy's (to get ice pops and chicken nuggets) and to Amscot on the 28th.

Someone earlier posted the mileage from the A's to Amscot. IIRC, that was approximately 7 miles.

I want to know the distance from Tony's to Amscot.