Questions that you would still like answered.....

[vlpate]

I've wondered about that all along. Wonder if she saw the front porch light or the bedroom light go off ~ stating that yes she turned the light off?

That's really all it could be. So, again, she could not have seen all the lights go out from her stoop.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

That's really all it could be. So, again, she could not have seen all the lights go out from her stoop.

I asked about that a few months ago on here and I think it was IndaMiddle that said SB would have been able to see the lights. I'll now have to go dig up that old post or maybe IndaMiddle will check in on this thread.

 

[askfornina]

Does anyone have a source for the light "code" info? SB and DB had a "code" that SB couldn't come over if the lights were off. I think a while ago it was determined that it may have come from Tacopina or it was a misinterpretation and it never happened. I haven't been able to find it. Anyone remember where that info came from? I'm going to do some digging for it.

 

[vlpate]

I asked about that a few months ago on here and I think it was IndaMiddle that said SB would have been able to see the lights. I'll now have to go dig up that old post or maybe IndaMiddle will check in on this thread.

Of course she would be able to see the lights, but not the computer room light from her stoop. I can see that by looking at the street view.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

Does anyone have a source for the light "code" info? SB and DB had a "code" that SB couldn't come over if the lights were off. I think a while ago it was determined that it may have come from Tacopina or it was a misinterpretation and it never happened. I haven't been able to find it. Anyone remember where that info came from? I'm going to do some digging for it.

I did a quick search here and found a thread that said it came from Bill Stanton on Judge Janine interview. I did come across a Fox video of JJP and Stanton, but I can't play Fox videos on my Mac for some reason.

 

[askfornina]

I did a quick search here and found a thread that said it came from Bill Stanton on Judge Janine interview. I did come across a Fox video of JJP and Stanton, but I can't play Fox videos on my Mac for some reason.

Thank you so much! :rocker:

 

[vlpate]

It was opined a while back that DB could have copied aspects of a missing baby case that happened in 2007, while she and her husband were stationed at Fort Bragg.

Baby Lisa Irwin: Eerie Similarities To Another Missing Baby Case
Excerpts
"In 2007, when Lisa's mother Deborah Bradley and her husband, Pvt. Sean Bradley were living at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, one of his 82nd Airborne unit mates had an infant disappear.

The baby's mother Johni Michelle Heuser reported to the police that her 11-month-old daughter had been taken.

She told the cops she'd last seen little Harmony Creech at 11:30 pm before going to bed. When she went to get the baby at 11 am the next morning, to see her dad Ronald Creech who had just just gotten off a plane after returning home from service in Iraq -- the baby was gone.

Investigators found a window open in the house and suspected a kidnapping. An Amber Alert was issued."
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My question - Did DB copy this mother? Some say that's a stretch, I say why? Shelby Dasher copied Deborah:
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Shelby Dasher Due in Court; Admitted to Murdering Her Son

" Later that morning, presumably after she got her much-needed sleep, she reported the child missing and gave the same exact details as given by Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin when baby Lisa Irwin vanished."

 

[Sparklin]

It was opined a while back that DB could have copied aspects of a missing baby case that happened in 2007, while she and her husband were stationed at Fort Bragg.

Baby Lisa Irwin: Eerie Similarities To Another Missing Baby Case
Excerpts
"In 2007, when Lisa's mother Deborah Bradley and her husband, Pvt. Sean Bradley were living at Fort Bragg, North Carolina, one of his 82nd Airborne unit mates had an infant disappear.

The baby's mother Johni Michelle Heuser reported to the police that her 11-month-old daughter had been taken.

She told the cops she'd last seen little Harmony Creech at 11:30 pm before going to bed. When she went to get the baby at 11 am the next morning, to see her dad Ronald Creech who had just just gotten off a plane after returning home from service in Iraq -- the baby was gone.

Investigators found a window open in the house and suspected a kidnapping. An Amber Alert was issued."
___________________
My question - Did DB copy this mother? Some say that's a stretch, I say why? Shelby Dasher copied Deborah:
___________________
Shelby Dasher Due in Court; Admitted to Murdering Her Son

" Later that morning, presumably after she got her much-needed sleep, she reported the child missing and gave the same exact details as given by Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin when baby Lisa Irwin vanished."

Except both those babies were found very shortly after no??

 

[vlpate]

Except both those babies were found very shortly after no??

One must learn from other's mistakes, no?

 

[Sparklin]

One must learn from other's mistakes, no?

You lost me

One was before, one was after and Lisa hasn't been found

 

[vlpate]

You lost me

Yes, two of the babies were found, DB would not put the baby in the walls of the house because she found out, through the case she may have copied, that is not the best place to hide the baby. The rest of the case is eerily similar.

Shelby copied all aspects of the Lisa Irwin case, and maybe she "thought" DB threw Lisa in the river.

The point is the crimes are similar and I don't think it's out of the question to think DB, drunk, may have unconsciously remembered the Creech case in Fort Bragg while she was coming up with a story for Lisa's disappearance. ALL JMO.

Doesn't mean I think she did it, still exploring the possibilities....

 

[askfornina]

It was opined a while back that DB could have copied aspects of a missing baby case that happened in 2007, while she and her husband were stationed at Fort Bragg.

respectfully snipped and BBM.

Here is a link to an article from the Kansas City Star. The original link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/3222111/case-offers-eerie-parallels.html) is no longer working, but you can find the same article here:

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/fort...arallels-to-missing-baby-in-missouri-1.158525

By Lee Hill Kavanaugh
Kansas City Star

Deborah Bradley, mother of Lisa, lived in a residence in Fort Bragg, N.C., a little over a mile away from the home where the other infant, Harmony Jade Creech, "disappeared."

Bradley, the bloggers contend, must have known about the other case. After all, her then-husband was at the time a private in the 82nd Airborne, the same unit as the victim's father.
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But the timeline does not appear to support anything more. Military records show Pvt. Sean Bradley was discharged in April 2007 -- several months before the remains of the Creech baby were found in the attic, stuffed in a plastic-wrapped diaper box.

Sean and his wife and their little boy were likely back in the Kansas City area at the time.

and


http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...r-s-ex-sean-bradley-charged-drive-by-shooting

Sgt. Sean Bradley's service ended in March 2007. The couple returned to Independence and moved in with Debbie's dad.

 

[SmoothOperator]

You're sooooooooooooo good Nina!! You've become quite the expert on quickly digging up specific info relevant to whateverr the topic at hand may be at that moment.. Some may think its no biggie that anyone could do it.. I beg to differ as THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING all over the many forums and threads here at WS where people for whatever reasons cannot for the life of them find the answers to the questions that they so desperately seek.. Some just arent that great at getting around the www, some quickly just give up, and unfortunately some get sidetracked with RL and just never get around to it...

But not you, my friend.. You set your sights on the task at hand and are back in no time flat with an entire treasure trove of info/details posted for us all...and links to boot... You're good Nina.. Thanks for sharing all your good finds and helping us to answer atleast some of the long list of questions that we all have...

You're definitely an asset to have as we follow and sleuth these cases!(I may have to just send you a list of all the cases I personally follow so I can have you in each of the forums )

 

[askfornina]

You're sooooooooooooo good Nina!! You've become quite the expert on quickly digging up specific info relevant to whateverr the topic at hand may be at that moment.. Some may think its no biggie that anyone could do it.. I beg to differ as THE PROOF IS IN THE PUDDING all over the many forums and threads here at WS where people for whatever reasons cannot for the life of them find the answers to the questions that they so desperately seek.. Some just arent that great at getting around the www, some quickly just give up, and unfortunately some get sidetracked with RL and just never get around to it...

But not you, my friend.. You set your sights on the task at hand and are back in no time flat with an entire treasure trove of info/details posted for us all...and links to boot... You're good Nina.. Thanks for sharing all your good finds and helping us to answer atleast some of the long list of questions that we all have...

You're definitely an asset to have as we follow and sleuth these cases!(I may have to just send you a list of all the cases I personally follow so I can have you in each of the forums )

:blushing: Thank you so much!!! :blowkiss:

 

[Dr.Fessel]

I would like to know if Deb or Jeremy ever followed the case of Haleigh Cummings. Very similar case in ways. Girlfriend home alone with kids, boyfriend comes home and finds what he insists is the entry point and child gone.

 

[Dewey2Me1MoThyme]

:blushing: Thank you so much!!! :blowkiss:

And you deliver a mean lemon filled donut too! :floorlaugh:

 

[vlpate]

respectfully snipped and BBM.

Here is a link to an article from the Kansas City Star. The original link (http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/21/3222111/case-offers-eerie-parallels.html) is no longer working, but you can find the same article here:

http://www.stripes.com/news/us/fort...arallels-to-missing-baby-in-missouri-1.158525

and

http://www.examiner.com/missing-per...r-s-ex-sean-bradley-charged-drive-by-shooting

Looks like the KC Star can't get their stories straight, lol. Was he discharged in March or April 2007? Sargent or Private?

In a Kansas City Star article dated Nov. 9, From 'mother hen' to media villain: the life of Baby Lisa Irwin's mom read:

-- Sgt. Sean Bradley's service ended in March 2007.

Your quote from KC Star: "But the timeline does not appear to support anything more. Military records show Pvt. Sean Bradley was discharged in April 2007 -- several months before the remains of the Creech baby were found in the attic, stuffed in a plastic-wrapped diaper box."

Thank you Nina, you are the best, but I had articles to go on, I am not sure whether or not the Bradley's still lived at Fort Bragg during August 2007, when the baby was killed, nor do I trust the information provided by the KC Star. Regardless, the facts of the case remain the same, including the fact that Sean Bradley and Ronald Creech II, were both members of the 82nd Airborne Division at Fort Bragg at the same time. Both Sean and Deborah would likely have heard about something that was not only close to home, but National news as well. Had they still lived there or not,, they had to know.

Probably just another coincidence.

What about the Shelby Dasher timeline? Or the fact that the cases were almost identical, except Tyler's body was found? The point is, people copy in a panic when they lack the wherewithal and/or intelligence to come up with something on their own. IMO, this COULD have been the case when Lisa vanished.

 

[wfgodot]

" Later that morning, presumably after she got her much-needed sleep, she reported the child missing and gave the same exact details as given by Deborah Bradley and Jeremy Irwin when baby Lisa Irwin vanished."

snip-snip

As I have in the past, I would again urge extreme caution posting links to [link removed] articles. The "reporting" level here can first be judged by the less-than-professional writing quality: the phrase "same exact," perhaps as bad as writing gets. This source is quite nearly as far from MSM as one can find - short of Facebook rumors, which, apparently, are the genesis from another of this person's "stories," this one suggesting that a body has been found in Tennessee relevant to the Holly Bobo case, a "fact" denied Saturday by the lead case agent for TBI.

Examiner.com is another "not MSM" source which crops up in searches but should be dealt with cautiously in terms of relevance to actual and factual MSM reporting.

 

[vlpate]

I would like to know if Deb or Jeremy ever followed the case of Haleigh Cummings. Very similar case in ways. Girlfriend home alone with kids, boyfriend comes home and finds what he insists is the entry point and child gone.

I read somewhere she liked to watch Nancy Grace, maybe someone has that article handy?

 

[vlpate]

snip-snip

As I have in the past, I would again urge extreme caution posting links to [link removed] articles. The "reporting" level here can first be judged by the less-than-professional writing quality: the phrase "same exact," perhaps as bad as writing gets. This source is quite nearly as far from MSM as one can find - short of Facebook rumors, which, apparently, are the genesis from another of this person's "stories," this one suggesting that a body has been found in Tennessee relevant to the Holly Bobo case, a "fact" denied Saturday by the lead case agent for TBI.

Examiner.com is another "not MSM" source which crops up in searches but should be dealt with cautiously in terms of relevance to actual and factual MSM reporting.

At this point, I hesitate to use any outlet and source them as MSM ... most spin to the point of making one feel drunk, but they have spot on grammar and spelling!

The case of Tyler Dasher -Shelby Dasher told police she had put Tyler to bed after midnight, then overslept and discovered him gone from his crib when she awoke.

Police suspected foul play because it was unlikely a 13-month-old could get himself out of his crib and wander from his home.

Police received reports of a man in a dark hoody carrying a small child in a blanket on Tuesday along a wooded area not far from the family home.

ETA: Shelby also lied about what time she checked on Tyler - she was with her friends until 2:30 a.m. and not at home.

Unless any of that is wrong, the gather article was correct on details.