Ramsey Documented Lies!

[Holdontoyourhat]

hotyh, by JR's own statement, he is not doing what he claimed he would do. End of story. I reposted HIS OWn words for you, in case you missed it!

And you believe that his one statement negated any effect that the flyers, website, and newspaper ads would have in broadcasting case specifics to the public where someone might recoginze something? This effort unmatched by BPD, CBI, FBI, CASKU, the tabloids, or anybody else? The idea that a foreign faction, claimed by the ransom note writer himself, dismissed out of hand?

And if the Ramsey family flyer with the hired investigators profile listed were to now result in a case development, who would get the credit for it? The BPD, Websleuths, CBI, FBI, CASKU? or JR and John Douglas?

I cant wait for your reply. Or maybe I can. You know how fickle I am.

 

[SunnieRN]

And you believe that his one statement negated any effect that the flyers, website, and newspaper ads would have in broadcasting case specifics to the public where someone might recoginze something? This effort unmatched by BPD, CBI, FBI, CASKU, the tabloids, or anybody else? The idea that a foreign faction, claimed by the ransom note writer himself, dismissed out of hand?

And if the Ramsey family flyer with the hired investigators profile listed were to now result in a case development, who would get the credit for it? The BPD, Websleuths, CBI, FBI, CASKU? or JR and John Douglas?

I cant wait for your reply. Or maybe I can. You know how fickle I am.

I am sure you are not too worried about the speed of my reply, but here goes. This is imho only, through my experience and from other people I have talked to, both here and in job, family and friend situations.

The R's spent more time seeking publicity and avoiding answering LE questions then anything else. Show me all this stuff they have done since December 26, 1996. I remember television appearances, where they offered a $50K and then a $100K reward, (less then the kidnappers wanted, not much for a man who had a net worth of OVER 6 million).

I remember them stating, again on tv that they were starting the JonBenet foundation, where they ended up sponsoring some children at camp, where JonBenet was camper of the year, or some such. Even with their book sales, they claimed not to have money to immortalize her more.

I remember three very generic profiles. These were actually put together by the R's team. Didn't tell us ANYTHING an armchair detective couldn't figure out.

I remember them bringing law suits against several sources.

I remember them refusing to co-operate with LE. I remember them making MORE appearances on tv.

I remember them 'forgiving' the killer and JR later not wanting to vilify JMK. Maybe that was due to the fact that he knew he wasn't guilty. Remember, these are my opinions.

I don't remember anger. Anger at the killer. There was a lot of anger at LE, media and former friends, but none toward the killer, except when they were directly asked if they were angry, in the beginning.

I could go on a lot longer, but unfortunately, I don't think it would matter to you. Has nothing to do with being fickle or not, just that I know we disagree. So, hotyh. Let's just agree to disagree and let the posts get back on topic.

As for the rest of your question. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. For a family member to be found NOT GUILTY. I would love some wierdo pervert to be PROVEN to be guilty. As for who would/should get the credit? Whoever is responsible, of course.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

As for the rest of your question. I would LOVE to be proven wrong. For a family member to be found NOT GUILTY. I would love some wierdo pervert to be PROVEN to be guilty. As for who would/should get the credit? Whoever is responsible, of course.

But I thought that RDI claimed an ulterior motive behind the flyers, full page newspaper ads, and websites. That this effort was all a lie, they were only supposed to keep JR out of jail. Thats what SuperDave implied by listing this in the 'documented lies' thread.

My question is what if the flyer, newspaper ad, or website now produces a case development, who gets the credit? If JR lied about the motive, why would their effort be given credit for finding a new suspect?

Does or does not JR and John Douglas get credit, if their effort on the flyers and newspaper ads produces a valid development? Seems to me RDI answer is no because they were lying and had an ulterior motive. Is this correct?

 

[SunnieRN]

Since you appear to be putting words in Dave's mouth, I'll let him answer your question regarding your opinion.

1) All RDI's do not feel the same on every issue, although most of us can see the thought process behind theories and reasoning as the basic premise is that a RDI. We are individuals, just as I have seen you and MF disagree on things, we may also.

2) "Does or does not JR and John Douglas get credit, if their effort on the flyers and newspaper ads produces a valid development?" To quote you. My answer was posted above hotyh. It is still there, if you were addressing that part to me. That generic profile seems very vague and widely encompassing. Kind of profiling 101. As for the fliers and ads, they certainly haven't worked yet, have they.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Since you appear to be putting words in Dave's mouth, I'll let him answer your question regarding your opinion.

1) All RDI's do not feel the same on every issue, although most of us can see the thought process behind theories and reasoning as the basic premise is that a RDI. We are individuals, just as I have seen you and MF disagree on things, we may also.

2) "Does or does not JR and John Douglas get credit, if their effort on the flyers and newspaper ads produces a valid development?" To quote you. My answer was posted above hotyh. It is still there, if you were addressing that part to me. That generic profile seems very vague and widely encompassing. Kind of profiling 101. As for the fliers and ads, they certainly haven't worked yet, have they.

OK this is the last attempt at a straight answer:

If someone were to come forward and provide new information that helps the case, and this person cited the Ramsey flyer or the Ramsey newspaper ad, who would get credit for having developed and placed these flyers and ads? BPD, FBI, JR, John Douglas, McCrary, or someone else?

 

[SunnieRN]

Hotyh, see post 22. I haven't changed my mind. There were three profiles, not written by JR and fliers, probably not all written by the same people.

 

[SunnieRN]

KING: No sign of foul play at this point?
P. RAMSEY: We weren't looking. We were concerned...
KING: I mean, there was no foul play in her room.
J. RAMSEY: No.
KING: Because she wasn't in bed.
P. RAMSEY: We didn't go back into her -- right.
J. RAMSEY: Right.
P. RAMSEY: She was not in.
KING: So what did the officer do?

March 27, 2000, Larry King.

 

[DeeDee249]

It was JR himself when said that their lawyers were there to defend them in case they were indicted. The lawyers said the same thing. The only investigation from their end was for the purposes of intimidating people who might testify against them or intimidating any LE who might be narrowing in on them.
The R "investigators" never actually investigated any of the people the Rs threw under the bus, did they?

 

[BBB167893]

This is not only false but impossible to prove.

EXCUSE ME?? I guess JR's deposition admission and the admission of the head private investigator Ellis Armistead wasn't enough for you!

The R's published a profile on flyers and in the newspaper. They used this team to help develop the profile that was later published.

I'm sure they did.

There's no way to know that the intention was never to follow leads, cause someone to recognize the profile, or catch the intruder. They set up a website which provided a phone number for people to call, and an e-mail also. Its not even known if that was without result.

Like I said, HOTYH, it doesn't matter whether individual members of this team actually intended to find anything, since it was all being orchestrated from the top by guys like Hal Haddon and Ellis Armistead.

I repeat, I guess JR and Armistead's public admissions weren't enough for you!

Why make baseless unsupported claims when according to you that shouldn't be necessary?

It isn't, and I don't!

How can you prove there was never an intention to solicit help from the public?

How can I prove that? How much time have you got, buddy?

 

[BBB167893]

Unfortunately RDI is a white elephant.

An elephant can do a lot of damage, my friend. It can impale you with its tusks, grab you with its trunk, or stomp you flat.

No matter what RDI 'fact' we delve into, there are holes and cracks throughout. No solid evidence. Its curious there are so many strong opinions though, considering there's no solid smoking gun evidence.

Only because we understand the importance of recognizing the difference between a smoking gun case and a circumstantial one!

 

[BBB167893]

But I thought that RDI claimed an ulterior motive behind the flyers, full page newspaper ads, and websites. That this effort was all a lie, they were only supposed to keep JR out of jail. Thats what SuperDave implied by listing this in the 'documented lies' thread.

I'm not implying it; I'm saying it straight-out!

My question is what if the flyer, newspaper ad, or website now produces a case development, who gets the credit? If JR lied about the motive, why would their effort be given credit for finding a new suspect?

Does or does not JR and John Douglas get credit, if their effort on the flyers and newspaper ads produces a valid development? Seems to me RDI answer is no because they were lying and had an ulterior motive. Is this correct?

Pretty much.

 

[BBB167893]

Since you appear to be putting words in Dave's mouth,

I'm USED to that, Sunnie!

I'll let him answer your question regarding your opinion.

I gave it my best.

1) All RDI's do not feel the same on every issue, although most of us can see the thought process behind theories and reasoning as the basic premise is that a RDI. We are individuals, just as I have seen you and MF disagree on things, we may also.

Quite so!

2) "Does or does not JR and John Douglas get credit, if their effort on the flyers and newspaper ads produces a valid development?" To quote you. My answer was posted above hotyh. It is still there, if you were addressing that part to me. That generic profile seems very vague and widely encompassing. Kind of profiling 101. As for the fliers and ads, they certainly haven't worked yet, have they.

I think HOTYH was speaking hypothetically.