Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[MissJames]

I'm freaking out! I cannot believe that they had actually had an NBC producer with them at the autopsy hearing. I swear I just heard myself start to growl! OMG! I'm scaring myself! They just provoked a visceral reaction in me. There are no lengths to the bad taste they will go to. I don't know why I'm surprised.

I'm goin' down to take a look. If I don't come back it's cuz I had a stroke :crazy:

 

[Mare10]

I think that CA was scared out of her wits long before the 911 call. Her post on KC's Myspace was one of desperation IMO. She knew something was wrong, very wrong, but in her CA way she totally blew it. Throwing all that I did this and I did that stuff, didn't fly well with KC. It didn't do what it was meant to do, in fact, just the opposite. KC was now more distant, lies flew fast and furious. Now add all the carp that KC was throwing her way about Zanny, her having to work, the insurance papers, oh gosh it's too crazy to go on, but you get the drift. Then the car, the smell, would scare the h3ll out of me, but she instead get's crazed over the money and car (which I don't really believe was her real motive for taking KC to the police). She wanted her arrested that day, she knew something so horrible happened and wanted someone else to get to the bottom of it but she could say it, not yet. Not until KC got her so pizzed off, the words flowed off her tongue like Niagara Falls. OOPS, what did I do, A family now had to re-write the script, the 180. I am so sure that KC totally disrespected her that day and it's so unbelieveable to think that would upset CA more than what I believe she knew about what happened to Caylee. What a bunch of rotten banana's they all are.

 

[Mare10]

I don't know about that Brini. Awful convenient that he left at the time LE was at the A compound interviewing CA/GA/KC to retrieve KC's personal belongings. He definitely wanted to prevent LE finding something in the laptop. At least he was either smart or dumb enough not to go riffling through KC's purse and wallet. He could have easily lifted the cash and "id" card. I think a lot of evidence they thought they removed prior to LE being there would save KC backfired on them, big time. Huge big time.

And add all that cryptic talk during the jail visits. He wanted to make sure he got what KC wanted hidden from LE.

During the long initial hours, LE really thought Caylee had been abducted. It wasn't until later that day that LE got together and knew the story was a hoax. By then LA had done his dutiful damage control. And CA got richer $$$$$.

I totally agree, the script had to be rewritten and damage control was in full on mode. When CA is pizzed, she cannot control her mouth. I am so hoping that the Prosecutors know how to push her buttons.

Not only that, all four of their initial written statements read "staged" to me.

ITA, the script had to be rewritten, damage control was now in full on mode. When CA gets pizzed, she simply cannot control her mouth. I sure hope the Prosecutors know how to push her buttons.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Here is my random thought: I keep going back to the A's jail visit where KC greets her parents by laughing and asking GA what CA is crying about. GA says something like she (CA) misses you and we haven't seen you in awhile... blah, blah, blah.

Now here's the thing: if I were in jail and my baby was missing, when my parents showed up to visit me (one of them was crying), I would be frantically asking, "What's wrong?" or "Oh my gosh, have they found my baby?" or a million other things! I wouldn't assume there was something jovial about my mother crying... or waste my visit talking about cole slaw, etc.. I'm just sayin'!

I agree. I always thought that was such a strange greeting - and a strange response from GA - to go along with her rather than screaming that they're upset because they want to know where the baby is!!! And, all the sucking up to her to keep the focus on her and her being in charge - pulllllease! You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!

 

[Wudge]

I'm freaking out! I cannot believe that they had actually had an NBC producer with them at the autopsy hearing. I swear I just heard myself start to growl! OMG! I'm scaring myself! They just provoked a visceral reaction in me. There are no lengths to the bad taste they will go to. I don't know why I'm surprised.

Trials are very expensive. Good trial attorneys do not come cheap. Great trial attorneys charge heart attack fees. Additional sources of money equate to better representation.

(We have too many attorneys. We have too few good attorneys.)

 

[Mare10]

I agree. I always thought that was such a strange greeting - and a strange response from GA - to go along with her rather than screaming that they're upset because they want to know where the baby is!!! And, all the sucking up to her to keep the focus on her and her being in charge - pulllllease! You couldn't make this stuff up if you tried!

They learned early on that they needed to walk on eggshells. But neither of them had a clue how to approach her. As a parent, I know how to confront my kids, yes sometime I have to walk on eggshells. The big difference is I know what I'm doing, I may walk up to the confrontation on eggshells but sure as the sun rises, I get to my point and I get my answers. You play the game, but you know how to play it. Neither GA or CA have a clue what to do as parents. A family is not a group of people that live together in perfect harmony, NO, that doesn't happen. You have to work at it, and yes, you have to play the game, if you work hard enough, it all works out. It's a lot of work, maybe too much for the the A's. After all that, my point is, that they thought that treating her with kid gloves was going to get the answers they were looking for, instead, IMO, provided KC with a good laugh for the rest of the evening. No, I am not a perfect parent, I just learn as I go, GA and CA never learned a darn thing concerning their daughter.

 

[Jolynna]

I think that CA was scared out of her wits long before the 911 call. Her post on KC's Myspace was one of desperation IMO. She knew something was wrong, very wrong, but in her CA way she totally blew it. Throwing all that I did this and I did that stuff, didn't fly well with KC. It didn't do what it was meant to do, in fact, just the opposite. KC was now more distant, lies flew fast and furious. Now add all the carp that KC was throwing her way about Zanny, her having to work, the insurance papers, oh gosh it's too crazy to go on, but you get the drift. Then the car, the smell, would scare the h3ll out of me, but she instead get's crazed over the money and car (which I don't really believe was her real motive for taking KC to the police). She wanted her arrested that day, she knew something so horrible happened and wanted someone else to get to the bottom of it but she could say it, not yet. Not until KC got her so pizzed off, the words flowed off her tongue like Niagara Falls. OOPS, what did I do, A family now had to re-write the script, the 180. I am so sure that KC totally disrespected her that day and it's so unbelieveable to think that would upset CA more than what I believe she knew about what happened to Caylee. What a bunch of rotten banana's they all are.

Cindy called 911 because she wanted LE to squeeze KC and get her to tell where Caylee was. That is the only reason for Cindy to call them. Cindy had her car back. She knew KC didn't have money.

IMO, Cindy first reported the car and money stolen to scare KC without getting KC into TOO much trouble. Before KC came up with the nanny story, I think Cindy was wanting to bully KC into getting Caylee but Cindy was at the same time being careful to protect KC. The nanny story was too preposterous for Cindy to believe and IMO the last 911 call was genuine.

If Cindy and George were in on anything before July 15, KC wouldn't have had to hide from them. There is no evidence of KC going to the A's while they were there. By July 15, KC had switched over from calling Cindy to mostly using text. I think that was because of less confrontation.

Not only did Cindy not have to call 911 because nobody was looking for Caylee, Cindy didn't even have to go get KC.

None of Cindy's family or anyone cared that KC was gone. KC was fine at Tony's. It isn't like KC was a bundle of joy to live with.

JMO

 

[Mare10]

Cindy called 911 because she wanted LE to squeeze KC and get her to tell where Caylee was. That is the only reason for Cindy to call them. Cindy had her car back. She knew KC didn't have money.

IMO, Cindy reported the car and money stolen to scare KC without getting KC into TOO much trouble. Before KC came up with the nanny story, I think Cindy was wanting to bully KC into getting Caylee but Cindy was at the same time being careful to protect KC. The nanny story was too preposterous for Cindy to believe and IMO the last 911 call was genuine.

If Cindy and George were in on anything before July 15, KC wouldn't have had to hide from them. There is no evidence of KC going to the A's while they were there. By July 15, KC had switched over from calling Cindy to mostly using text. I think that was because of less confrontation.

Not only did Cindy not have to call 911 because nobody was looking for Caylee, Cindy didn't even have to go get KC.

None of Cindy's family or anyone cared that KC was gone. KC was fine at Tony's. It isn't like KC was a bundle of joy to live with.

JMO

That is what I was saying. She had other motives to call the police. We have to remember that she did smell that car, she knew what that car smelled like, her own words. Those words did not come until the third call. Why is that? Those would have been my first words, not the taking of the car, not the money, but the horrible smell in the car. She needed help, help getting to what IMO she feared the most and what she really wanted to say. You are right, she didn't have to go get KC, but she did. Maybe my post was unclear and I'm sorry, but I know she didn't go to get KC for KC, she went there to get Caylee. It took what to get to say what she really intended?

 

[MissJames]

Cindy called 911 because she wanted LE to squeeze KC and get her to tell where Caylee was. That is the only reason for Cindy to call them. Cindy had her car back. She knew KC didn't have money.

IMO, Cindy reported the car and money stolen to scare KC without getting KC into TOO much trouble. Before KC came up with the nanny story, I think Cindy was wanting to bully KC into getting Caylee but Cindy was at the same time being careful to protect KC. The nanny story was too preposterous for Cindy to believe and IMO the last 911 call was genuine.

If Cindy and George were in on anything before July 15, KC wouldn't have had to hide from them. There is no evidence of KC going to the A's while they were there. By July 15, KC had switched over from calling Cindy to mostly using text. I think that was because of less confrontation.

Not only did Cindy not have to call 911 because nobody was looking for Caylee, Cindy didn't even have to go get KC.

None of Cindy's family or anyone cared that KC was gone. KC was fine at Tony's. It isn't like KC was a bundle of joy to live with.

JMO

In the years leading up to Caylee's death there were several reports of police being called to the house.Maybe CA used this squeeze tactic before.

 

[Searchfortruth]

Yep! Cindy lost it and called 911! Probably after GA talked to cindy, they decided to send Lee to TonE's to get her stuff before LE could get to it first! They had to know there was incriminating evidence there!:furious:

I think the turn around happened very fast after Cindy called 911...in fact, she was in the process when she washed Casey's pants. Remember when Casey was being interviewed at Universal, Yuri said Cindy was calling him constantly...she was sweating at that point and it wasn't for Caylee. Everything they did after that point was for Casey. Had Cindy been in it for Caylee, there would have been no statements on TV like "If you want me to pass out on your show" or "don't ask me stupid questions"...she wouldn't have had a thought for herself, all of her thoughts would have been for Caylee.

 

[Searchfortruth]

That is what I was saying. She had other motives to call the police. We have to remember that she did smell that car, she knew what that car smelled like, her own words. Those words did not come until the third call. Why is that? Those would have been my first words, not the taking of the car, not the money, but the horrible smell in the car. She needed help, help getting to what IMO she feared the most and what she really wanted to say. You are right, she didn't have to go get KC, but she did. Maybe my post was unclear and I'm sorry, but I know she didn't go to get KC for KC, she went there to get Caylee. It took what to get to say what she really intended?

I think Cindy was trying to use the police to get Casey to tell her where Caylee was by calling about the "stolen car and money"...only Cindy would think that she could file a complaint with the police as a tactic to get her child to talk. When Cindy does get around to the third 911 call she has a kidnapper to give police along with the fact her Granddaughter hasn't been seen in 31 days...if Casey had been honest with Cindy before that 911 call (owned up to her responsibility in it) Cindy never would have called, IMO.

 

[Jolynna]

That is what I was saying. She had other motives to call the police. We have to remember that she did smell that car, she knew what that car smelled like, her own words. Those words did not come until the third call. Why is that? Those would have been my first words, not the taking of the car, not the money, but the horrible smell in the car. She needed help, help getting to what IMO she feared the most and what she really wanted to say. You are right, she didn't have to go get KC, but she did. Maybe my post was unclear and I'm sorry, but I know she didn't go to get KC for KC, she went there to get Caylee. It took what to get to say what she really intended?

In all fairness something you think smells like a dead body suddenly smells a whole lot more like a dead body after you hear your grandchild is kidnapped than after your daughter says the grandchild is sleeping at the babysitter's house.

I don't think Cindy's concern on July 15 was ever for the car or her money. Calling LE wouldn't do anything to get Cindy's money back. The car was already back.

Cindy was using the car because she did not want LE to see her as a controlling, domineering mother squabbling with her daughter over the grandchild. People who are image consious don't want to be seen doing the things they are guilty of doing.

Until KC said Caylee had been kidnapped, Cindy did not know for sure KC didn't have Caylee hidden out at a friends out of spite. Many women fear being seen by authority figures as overreacting. People that overreact tend to fear this response the most.

IMO

 

[MAMABEAR]

I think that CA was scared out of her wits long before the 911 call. Her post on KC's Myspace was one of desperation IMO. She knew something was wrong, very wrong, but in her CA way she totally blew it. Throwing all that I did this and I did that stuff, didn't fly well with KC. It didn't do what it was meant to do, in fact, just the opposite. KC was now more distant, lies flew fast and furious. Now add all the carp that KC was throwing her way about Zanny, her having to work, the insurance papers, oh gosh it's too crazy to go on, but you get the drift. Then the car, the smell, would scare the h3ll out of me, but she instead get's crazed over the money and car (which I don't really believe was her real motive for taking KC to the police). She wanted her arrested that day, she knew something so horrible happened and wanted someone else to get to the bottom of it but she could say it, not yet. Not until KC got her so pizzed off, the words flowed off her tongue like Niagara Falls. OOPS, what did I do, A family now had to re-write the script, the 180. I am so sure that KC totally disrespected her that day and it's so unbelieveable to think that would upset CA more than what I believe she knew about what happened to Caylee. What a bunch of rotten banana's they all are.

Yup---it is all push and shove in that family. Bluffs get the job done---also your bolded. I think you are right---CA wanted to put on the brakes when she wanted to. Too bad. LOL It all left her control and she still shows her azz. LMAO

 

[Jolynna]

I think Cindy was trying to use the police to get Casey to tell her where Caylee was by calling about the "stolen car and money"...only Cindy would think that she could file a complaint with the police as a tactic to get her child to talk. When Cindy does get around to the third 911 call she has a kidnapper to give police along with the fact her Granddaughter hasn't been seen in 31 days...if Casey had been honest with Cindy before that 911 call (owned up to her responsibility in it) Cindy never would have called, IMO.

I was thinking the same thing before I read your post.

Had KC come clean, I don't think Cindy would have called 911 either.

 

[MAMABEAR]

In all fairness something you think smells like a dead body suddenly smells a whole lot more like a dead body after you hear your grandchild is kidnapped than after your daughter says the grandchild is sleeping at the babysitter's house.

I don't think Cindy's concern on July 15 was ever for the car or her money. Calling LE wouldn't do anything to get Cindy's money back. The car was already back.

Cindy was using the car because she did not want LE to see her as a controlling, domineering mother squabbling with her daughter over the grandchild. People who are image consious don't want to be seen doing the things they are guilty of doing.
Until KC said Caylee had been kidnapped, Cindy did not know for sure KC didn't have Caylee hidden out at a friends out of spite. Many women fear being seen by authority figures as overreacting. People that overreact tend to fear this response the most.

IMO

Well, unless all that was in the "script"---right along with the reporting of the gas cans. And the over reacting part of CA---that's all she knows. LOL

 

[NocturnalLady]

ITA, the script had to be rewritten, damage control was now in full on mode. When CA gets pizzed, she simply cannot control her mouth. I sure hope the Prosecutors know how to push her buttons.

They won't need to. Cindy will be flaming mad before the first question is even asked.

 

[mitzi]

The way cindy calls people sweetheart and honey is actually very condescending. She isn't saying it because she's good people (far from it) .. she's saying it because she looks down on everyone.

KC uses the same words: sweetheart and honey. Must get that from her mama. Also, I can't stand when KC said, "oh, I know". Grrrr.

 

[NocturnalLady]

Cindy called 911 because she wanted LE to squeeze KC and get her to tell where Caylee was. That is the only reason for Cindy to call them. Cindy had her car back. She knew KC didn't have money.

IMO, Cindy first reported the car and money stolen to scare KC without getting KC into TOO much trouble. Before KC came up with the nanny story, I think Cindy was wanting to bully KC into getting Caylee but Cindy was at the same time being careful to protect KC. The nanny story was too preposterous for Cindy to believe and IMO the last 911 call was genuine.

If Cindy and George were in on anything before July 15, KC wouldn't have had to hide from them. There is no evidence of KC going to the A's while they were there. By July 15, KC had switched over from calling Cindy to mostly using text. I think that was because of less confrontation.

Not only did Cindy not have to call 911 because nobody was looking for Caylee, Cindy didn't even have to go get KC.

None of Cindy's family or anyone cared that KC was gone. KC was fine at Tony's. It isn't like KC was a bundle of joy to live with.

JMO

BBM.

ITA. Cindy was trying to use LE to do her parenting in a way. She could get them to find and "bring in" Casey and then she would have all the cards. She could take care of the rest of it "in house". She never would have pressed charges but she would have had that possibility to hang over Casey's head at any moment. I think that Cindy was worried about Caylee's safety at that point and the call to LE about the car & the money may finally have been Cindy taking some steps to get custody of Caylee but it was too little too late.

 

[chefmom]

Man! Do we all need a good doc dump or what?!! Lol!

 

[countzero]

BBM.

ITA. Cindy was trying to use LE to do her parenting in a way. She could get them to find and "bring in" Casey and then she would have all the cards. She could take care of the rest of it "in house". She never would have pressed charges but she would have had that possibility to hang over Casey's head at any moment. I think that Cindy was worried about Caylee's safety at that point and the call to LE about the car & the money may finally have been Cindy taking some steps to get custody of Caylee but it was too little too late.

Actually this is not true.

KC had physical custody of Caylee. KC would not have had to produce Caylee at all IF the car had not had a strong decomp odor in it.

If there was no decomp odor in the car, LE would not have done anything, other than to tell CA to file a complaint with social services to initiate an investigation. I doubt if LE would have even done a wellness check. LE is use to this type of domestic call and they don't usually get involved unless there is a red flag THEY observe.

CA would never have been granted/given custody of Caylee regardless of CA's claims and any attorney other than JB would have told her this. Just because CA didn't like KC's method of parenting wasn't enough to give her custody. And I believe both CA/GA knew it which is why in part they allowed KC's behavior to continue as it always had. KC knew it and manipulated it, just as she always had.

CA was only worried about the decomp odor in the car now that other people were made aware of it after the car was towed. She knew immediately what it meant for the A clan and she proceeded to go into intense coverup mode. She used LE, telling the carp story of zanny-nanny, as she has used everyone else.

Little, tinny winny problem -- LE is smarter than she is and CA found out July 16 just how smart LE was and is to this date.