Raven's Mission

terminatrixator said:
Nonetheless, this is not about Karyn, this is about Raven and his behavior before, during and after the MURDER of his WIFE and UNBORN CHILD has been highly inappropriate, disgusting, sickening and he makes me :sick:.

I couldn't have said it better myself. This isn't about Karyn, or anyone else in his family and their actions. This is about finding out who murdered Janet-- so let's stick to that and leave the actions of his family out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about getting to the truth. But, I'm a stickler for the facts and to convict Raven without any firm evidence is just against my nature

Hope no hard feelings:)
 
I'm gonna step in here and just say this...I think that as far as Raven's family is concerned, apparently they love him unconditionally, which is what most families would/should do.

Most of us feel he's guilty and in the end, Raven is the one who chose to commit murder, not his mother. Sure, she's the one who raised him, and she deveoloped raven into the person he is today...she might not win the 'mother of the year' award, but as far as we know, she didn't kill Janet. It sounds to me as though she supports raven no matter what he does, and I suppose that's more than many mothers. Does she know raven's secret? I, personally, think she might. Will she protect him until the end? I'm certain.

Though we have no control over what happens in this case, we can argue until the cows come home and it's not going to bring Janet and her unborn baby back to her loving family...if only it would.

It's fortunate for raven that it seems he has such a wonderful support system. I think he'll really need that in the future.

Rg, I hope you aren't scared away...it's nice to have some lively debate. Thank you for not taking it to hard! ;)
 
Moxie said:
Hi Ew,

I was there and heard Raven's mother, Karyn Abaroa-Bolton speak at Janet's service. She did mention the memorial fund.

Not to be critical of Karyn, but her demeanor was strange. It was like she was almost upbeat as she spoke of Kaiden and the memorial fund. I did not get the impression that she knew Janet well at all. She might have been glad to have Raven back under her wing, I don't know.

She did not come across in any way as a grieving relative.
I remember you stating that Mox and understand what you mean about her behavior...not that she was glad Janet was dead but was going to make the best of the situation - which, unfortuantely, ended up with financial requests. Still absurd in my book! I'm sorry but for a relative to think "financially" within hours of a young pregnant mom being murder is one of those things that makes you go hmmm. I think we have to look at that action and wonder did raven confess to her?
 
reportergirl said:
Don't get me wrong, I'm all about getting to the truth. But, I'm a stickler for the facts and to convict Raven without any firm evidence is just against my nature
You think you could help raven get to the truth RG? Help out with explaining all the circumstancial evidence (which by the way is what convicted SP, not "firm evidence") that surrounds him? Would he trust you as a reporter?
 
I understand your point and no offense taken. My feelings don't get hurt, and I'm not sensitive in that way. I am sensitive to murder however.

Reportergirl, read the threads, do some investigating. If a bunch of people online at Websleuths can find this much evidence against him, then maybe it's time someone that knows the family starts investigating.

Contact Durham LE, I have put the number on WS on SEVERAL occasions. Look into his past, if I can find the proof of his affairs from California, I'm sure you could too.

Investigate and find out who Raven told what to. Who did he tell that Janet was warm, who did he tell she was cold, why did he lead people to believe she committed suicide, who did he tell she died to.

He has told others he completed a mission, he told others he left because of anxiety others for a medical reason, find them, the information is around, look for it. He led people to believe he was purchasing that home, not renting it.

He embezzled and lied about it and was forced to come clean, but has he lifted his finger to ask for help in solving his wife's murder?

He's played soccer, played volleyball, gone on bike trips, dated, there's tons of information out there. Look at the known facts, no signs of break-in, past affairs, nothing missing but a laptop, he leaves her home WITH NO VEHICLE, his precious VX is nowhere near the home, he's driving the durango, she was hurt, she was shot, I've got myself a bucknife.

Janet was dressed in her home, her son in the crib, why would she be up in the room, and let someone in? Nobody broke in. She did not even PUT UP A FIGHT, why because she knew the person in the home and she did not SEE that she was going to be stabbed brutally by the man that married her. She did not fight, is this the Janet you knew, that would stand there with a stranger in a room? Lead a person she don't know near her child? This was not a woman who did this, she did not have a boyfriend, she did not have enemies, this was not a burglary, this was not a church member, there was only one person that could have committed this crime.

You want facts look for them, if you think it's not your job but LE's then fine, but at this point, we are LOOKING for the facts and have compiled them and are faced with one conclusion, that Raven Samuel Peters Abaroa killed his Wife and unborn child, he premeditated it.
 
terminatrixator said:
I understand your point and no offense taken. My feelings don't get hurt, and I'm not sensitive in that way. I am sensitive to murder however.

Reportergirl, read the threads, do some investigating. If a bunch of people online at Websleuths can find this much evidence against him, then maybe it's time someone that knows the family starts investigating.

Contact Durham LE, I have put the number on WS on SEVERAL occasions. Look into his past, if I can find the proof of his affairs from California, I'm sure you could too.

Investigate and find out who Raven told what to. Who did he tell that Janet was warm, who did he tell she was cold, why did he lead people to believe she committed suicide, who did he tell she died to.

He has told others he completed a mission, he told others he left because of anxiety others for a medical reason, find them, the information is around, look for it. He led people to believe he was purchasing that home, not renting it.

He embezzled and lied about it and was forced to come clean, but has he lifted his finger to ask for help in solving his wife's murder?

He's played soccer, played volleyball, gone on bike trips, dated, there's tons of information out there. Look at the known facts, no signs of break-in, past affairs, nothing missing but a laptop, he leaves her home WITH NO VEHICLE, his precious VX is nowhere near the home, he's driving the durango, she was hurt, she was shot, I've got myself a bucknife.

Janet was dressed in her home, her son in the crib, why would she be up in the room, and let someone in? Nobody broke in. She did not even PUT UP A FIGHT, why because she knew the person in the home and she did not SEE that she was going to be stabbed brutally by the man that married her. She did not fight, is this the Janet you knew, that would stand there with a stranger in a room? Lead a person she don't know near her child? This was not a woman who did this, she did not have a boyfriend, she did not have enemies, this was not a burglary, this was not a church member, there was only one person that could have committed this crime.

You want facts look for them, if you think it's not your job but LE's then fine, but at this point, we are LOOKING for the facts and have compiled them and are faced with one conclusion, that Raven Samuel Peters Abaroa killed his Wife and unborn child, he premeditated it.
Good post Term. It's either look at the facts we have uncovered or post some new ones. We would gladly look at other facts or other circumstancial evidence...there just hasn't been anybody willing to post them or can't post them because there aren't any!
 
Janet was dressed in her home, her son in the crib, why would she be up in the room, and let someone in? Nobody broke in. She did not even PUT UP A FIGHT, why because she knew the person in the home

Trixie, this is something that has always stood out, no signs of a struggle or break in. As a Mother, if an intruder was in my home, I would have fought tooth and nail with my baby in the next room, as I am sure Janet Marie would have, had her murderer been unknown to her.
 
reportergirl said:
Okay, as far as Karyn sounding up beat and almost happy that Janet was dead, that is quite ridiculous. Seriously, that's just her way of dealing with things-- to try and sound upbeat. Maybe she just wanted to focus on Kaiden and the life left here.
If Karyn cared even the littlest bit that Janet had been murdered why has she not contacted Durham LE and followed up on what was being done to bring justice to the murder of Kaiden's mother. I can tell you she has not! I'm going with Moxie's impression on this one. (If you throw water on her she will melt).
 
reportergirl said:
I couldn't have said it better myself. This isn't about Karyn, or anyone else in his family and their actions. This is about finding out who murdered Janet-- so let's stick to that and leave the actions of his family out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about getting to the truth. But, I'm a stickler for the facts and to convict Raven without any firm evidence is just against my nature

Hope no hard feelings:)
No hard feelings RG. I have a personal connection to this case as it seems you do as well. If you are a stickler for the facts, I would kindly suggest that you contact Officer Vaughn here in NC and identify yourself to him, let him know what you know. Tell him of your concerns. He can be reached at 919-560-4440 ext. 247. I called, it was very therapeutic.
 
aussiegran said:
I and others have said it before how similar this is too Snott peterson ,everyone thought he was SOOO wonderful to her and such a lovely person-He could never harm Laci and then the truth surfaced about him .The TRUTH will come out about THE RAVEN too .sociopaths are capable of fooling a lot of people but (you can only fool some of the people some of the time. )
You are right about the unbelievable similarities between SP and raven. Good to see you here aussie.
 
:laugh:
BirdHunter said:
I'm going with Moxie's impression on this one. (If you throw water on her she will melt).
And we also know, in most cases, the "apple" doesn't fall far from the "tree". In this case it seems it's right next to it!
 
You mean WORMY???
worm_apple.jpg
 
I think it's high time that Raven or his family or friends contact Detective Vaughn at 919-560-4440 ext. 247. Heck, if you don't want to talk to him you can contact his boss Seargent Cates, I'm sure he wouldn't mind speaking to The Raven or his friends or Family.

How about Raven going to take a lie detector test, I'll volunteer, in front of him to take the test too. I'll look him square in the eye and guess which one of us will pass and which one won't though.

I'm serious, I would be willing to travel to NC and sit in a room with The Raven and take a polygraph test while he watches.

I can guarantee you I'll pass it, can Raven?

I'll you give you a clue for free, he wouldn't pass and doesn't have the courage to take me up on it.
 
..sounds like a challenge trix..and a good one at that.......IF raven is innocent-----------why on earth wouldn't he take the lie detector test ???

..for that matter---how could he have left NC, without constantly hounding LE for details of the murder investigation?? or, being the computer savvy guy that he was........not put something together once in Utah to keep the case alive, and help get justice for the love of his life ??
..he didn't..stay in NC..or do anything crime related once in Utah....and that's the part that really bothers me-------------he "got it over it" SOOOO quickly.......

..RG, and RAG have both given examples of raven's "goodness".........well, i know i have--surely we all have---known people over the years that can be very good hearted in some circustance-------------and then totally cruel in others...(doesn't make them a murderer of course, but does show how how a person can totally change in an instant).

..sorry RG.............but we are talking about a sociopath here--------how he was raised----------and his Mother's role in this does come into play......
 
Reporter Girl, you say that Raven's brothers both served successful missions for your church? This web blog belongs to Raven's younger brother Derek. It is recent (this past month) "Lucy you got some splaining to do." Seriously, this does not sound like any mormon missionary I have ever had contact with. Maybe you should recheck your facts.

O Discordia Tour day-by-day update

January 5th- over fields of grain and low stumbling block boulders and red brick canyons we found ourselves in St George sun bathed by cool north breezes and playing music in Grampa's basement to a smiling crowd and whiskey and cokes. Found a couch to sleep on, a shower to use, and a tree fort in the backyard to smoke spliff's out of and contemplate love and Hitler. So far so good, viva la O Discordia!

january 10th- ah Tucson was a dream, great little town, we stayed in a camper and nearly froze to death, then the next night stayed with some anarcho-comunist kids, ate vegan food and played for them around a bonfire, then back on the road, seeing america through a bus window is hard work. things are going good, havent made much money but we've been drowning in adventure, the border patrol arrested me for having pot, their dog sniffed it out, they were cool though, they dropped the charges and let me go, and drove me to town, tom stayed on the bus and pretended not to know me, i met up with him later in san diego, heh, adventures. tomarrow we head for portland...

Jan 12th- found a place to crash last night in Portland, met some cool kids, got horribly drunk and high, ate shrooms, did a great interview on the Portland State college radio station, got pb&j sandwiches and whiskey for the road, yaaaaaa, tomarrow we play in Olympia WA.

Jan 13th- our show last night was great, we had a whole venue of kids stomping and clapping and completely drowning tom and i out, it was a great show, we then partied with the kids, and found a couch to crash on, ah glory! that was olympia.

Jan ?- forgot the date, maybe the 15th, slept in SLC for the night, played a house show in Wyoming the next day, made bank but damn it was cold, heading east now

Jan 17th- played in Omaha at ted & wallys, good show, drunken after party, i personally had a great time in Nebraska, in fact i'm going back to couch surf and play music sometime, yaaaaa.

Jan 19th- played in st louis, show at the jazz & blues bar, good show but my god the after party was in an abandoned apartment and those kids were crazy! binge drinking i-hate-you-dad kids, we bought two cases of forties, tom got coke in the kitchen, i got free shrooms, we smoked a blunt and slept on cigarette butts, ugh i'm still recovering.

Jan 20th- cancled the Chicago show, it was snowing, and our bus was late, sorry Chicago, off to NYC!

Jan ?- spent the night walking around the bowery and china town, couldn't contact anyone, froze to death in shina town at 5am, finally slept for an hour in the bus station before the security kicked us out,

Jan ?- played in upstate NY in white plains, good anarchist house show, young kids though and it was hard to find a place to crash until angel kelly convinced her grandparents that we were her old camp counslers on our way to england(?), heh got fed, alot, score!

the next day- met with some friends, smoked pot in central park, drank alot (but couldn't get drunk, it's frustrating) found a place to sleep, had to sneak in though so her parents wouldn't know we were there, ugh i hope we don't end up in prison after this whole fiasco, eh.

Jan 24- we played at Bubbys in Brooklynn, had free drinks, got drunk well before the show and stumbled through a set, we smoked a blunt under a playground and walked across the brooklynn bridge in the rain, slept in a basement in Tribeca, ah finally New York treated us well, onto a bus, off to Virginia, got on the wrong bus, ugh now we're stranded the whole night in Richmond, yaaaaaa.

Jan 24(continued)- hah so funny story, we snuck into a Holiday Inn in Richmond virginia, 10pm, got some forties, checked our emails in their office and squatted in an empty banquet room smoking and drinking, it was great, until 3 hours later they found us, we played innocent dumb and they kicked us out, the rest of the night was spent sleeping at the bus station.

Jan 25- Virginia Beach VA is cold, a biting wind tearing at our flesh we went into hotels looking for a continental breakfast, no such luck, so no where to go, no couch to sleep on tonight, we wander like lost bedouins lookinf for food and warmth,
 
reportergirl said:
I couldn't have said it better myself. This isn't about Karyn, or anyone else in his family and their actions. This is about finding out who murdered Janet-- so let's stick to that and leave the actions of his family out of it.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about getting to the truth. But, I'm a stickler for the facts and to convict Raven without any firm evidence is just against my nature

Hope no hard feelings:)
Reportergirl, I'm so glad that you're back on the boards. It really has been refreshing, reading the back and forth posts with differing opinions. Maybe we could even be on the verge of discussing some alternate possibilities. Whatever happens, I want you to know that I welcome you and anything you have to say.

About Raven's family - I can understand why it disturbs you somewhat that his family has been brought up. But please understand - you know the family personally so your views are tainted by what you believe you already know about the family. At the same time, our views are also probably not quite right because we don't know the real people or the real dynamics involved. On both sides, our views and opinions are probably not 100%. Regardless, our views and opinions are not only allowed on these boards; it's what keeps the boards running.

I will apologize if anything I've said has upset you or if anything I say in the future will upset you. But I believe that the dynamics of the family are very pertinent to this case. Raven does not exist in a vaccuum - he's a product of genetics and upbringing. His experiences and interactions have helped to form the person that he is. If people he's known have modeled the behavior that we see in him, that's pertinent. If people he's known have enabled him (or continue to do so), that's pertinent. All of these things matter and have an influence. I hope that your personal connection to the family will not make it too painful for you to read what's being said but please understand that in the context of these boards, the issues we're discussing are appropriate.
 
ewwwinteresting said:
I remember you stating that Mox and understand what you mean about her behavior...not that she was glad Janet was dead but was going to make the best of the situation - which, unfortuantely, ended up with financial requests. Still absurd in my book! I'm sorry but for a relative to think "financially" within hours of a young pregnant mom being murder is one of those things that makes you go hmmm. I think we have to look at that action and wonder did raven confess to her?
I've always wondered about this EI - does Karyn, or someone in the family, actually know the truth about what happened that night, and, Raven's involvement. I think many mothers would do anything to protect their child, perhaps even in a criminal situation, and Karyn certainly strikes me, from what we hear, as being a mother that's all about protecting her brood! Makes you wonder - if possible, it might be interesting to see what various Abaroa-Bolton family members themselves would have to say to LE in a little sit-down situation!!!
 
lauriej said:
..for that matter---how could he have left NC, without constantly hounding LE for details of the murder investigation?? or, being the computer savvy guy that he was........not put something together once in Utah to keep the case alive, and help get justice for the love of his life ??
Exactly - for his family that was "taken from" him; for his wife that was "the epitome" of what a woman should be. He was so torn up over this that he turned to the church and went to grief counseling. If he was able to open up and speak about this to a therapist, why couldn't he set up a web page in her memory on his own? In fact, I'm suprised that a therapist wouldn't suggest it for therapeutic value, if nothing else.
 

Members online

Online statistics

Members online
132
Guests online
755
Total visitors
887

Forum statistics

Threads
626,380
Messages
18,525,371
Members
241,031
Latest member
kagaminerin
Back
Top