Raven's Mission

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

While I do not think that this site should be about picking on Raven's family, I am hoping that all of us looking together very deeply at every little detail out there may help to break the case.

I couldn't agree more. And please don't misunderstand me. I do believe that reportergirl should be free to voice her opinions without being attacked. But I also expressed to reportergirl that I feel that we all should be free to discuss the aspects of the case that we find pertinent, including the family.

In other words, I think that every poster here should be free to discuss the issues that they choose to discuss. And everyone should have the privilege of being able to do so without having to defend their opinions for 2 and 1/2 pages afterwards.

I totally understand the frustration - we're all feeling it on some level. But we are all adults here and as such, we should be able to allow people to post without being unduly harsh or critical.

 

[snapple]

Fellow WS'ers - I hope you know that I adore you - many of you have become dear friends. But I think that we're being terribly unfair to Reportergirl. She has come here to give us HER impression of the Abaroas from what she knows and has seen. For so many months, we've wanted to hear from the other side, and now that we are, people are practically attacking her. Her impressions are not going to match ours and they shouldn't have to. Her input is valuable, maybe even more so than many of the useless posts that I and other people have posted just to keep this forum going. She's trying to give us what we've been asking for for so long - the view from the other side. Please don't chase her away. Repeatedly spewing our opinions of what the Abaroas should do isn't going to facilitate a comfortable place for RG to discuss her ideas and certainly isn't going to encourage anyone else to want to converse with us either. And without the other side, we're at a stand-still. There's nothing left to "discuss".

Amen!!

 

[terminatrixator]

I couldn't agree more. And please don't misunderstand me. I do believe that reportergirl should be free to voice her opinions without being attacked. But I also expressed to reportergirl that I feel that we all should be free to discuss the aspects of the case that we find pertinent, including the family.

In other words, I think that every poster here should be free to discuss the issues that they choose to discuss. And everyone should have the privilege of being able to do so without having to defend their opinions for 2 and 1/2 pages afterwards.

I totally understand the frustration - we're all feeling it on some level. But we are all adults here and as such, we should be able to allow people to post without being unduly harsh or critical.

Well, I am assuming you are referring to my posts JG. I know where my heart is regarding the Murder of Janet Marie and her unborn child. I feel that the members of Websleuths have done way more than Raven's family in getting the word out on Janet's Murder, and I am very grateful to be a member of Websleuths and I value your opinion JG. However, I think we have all shown more consideration and empathy in regards to Janet's Murder than anyone in Raven's family.

I do not believe anything I have said has been unduly harsh. Yes, I have been critical, a woman and her unborn child were murdered, and that calls for a blunt, open, honest attitude, and that's the way I do things.

I have been the kindest and the gentlest person that I can be under the circumstances. You are correct, we are all adults, and I have absolutely no problem with anyone defending The Raven or his family, but I am not going to censor my feelings and thoughts because someone doesn't like my opinions.

 

[NCBanker]

Not to burst your bubble, but I served a mission as did my older and younger brothers, and cousins galore. NONE of us are listed on that site. Please note that it is NOT owned, managed, or controlled by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

What you are saying really BOTHERED me (that a person would be a LDS missionary one day and a law breaking pot smoking freak the next) so I went to a site called LDSmissions.com and searched for your dear friend Derek Abaroa Peters, Derrick Peters, Derek Abaroa, Derrick Abaroa and any one with the last name Peters or Abaroa. Guess what the results were? The only Abaroa-Peters is Jacob who served a mission in New York. And to show that this site works really well, I searched for the few missionaries that I have known over the years. Some I had good spelling of their names on others I did not. But I was still able to locate all of them. SO I AM PUTTING OUT A CHALLANGE TO YOU. PLEASE HELP ME LOCATE THIS INFOMATION ON YOUR FRIEND. EVERYONE HERE WOULD LIKE TO BE ABLE TO TRUST WHAT YOU ARE SAYING. Look, if you are right I will be the first to say so, but I can't find any evidence that you are.

 

[terminatrixator]

Back to topic...

It seems that we have RainbowsandGumdrops stating that Raven did tell R&G, in front of Janet, that he did indeed served a mission.

I heard that other people were told by The Raven, that he did serve a mission.

How long was Raven supposedly on this mission? Was it 2 weeks, 2 months, I thought Missions were suppose to be two years? Can anyone confirm how long Missions are? I heard his mission was suppose to be out of the Country, is this confirmed? Did he EVER leave the Country?

 

[terminatrixator]

Not to burst your bubble, but I served a mission as did my older and younger brothers, and cousins galore. NONE of us are listed on that site. Please note that it is NOT owned, managed, or controlled by The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.

Thanks for the information, NCBanker, nice to see you again.

Maybe you would know the answer the question how long are most missions, is there a number a weeks, months or years or is depending on the mission.

 

[NCBanker]

Most individual missions have their own websites, i.e. NC Raleigh Mission, Washington Spokane Mission, etc. This particular site you used is apparently new, as I've never seen nor heard of it. Regardless, if you can find out where the brother served his mission, you can probably look up the mission's website and see if he's listed there.

In a way you are right, I jumped to conclusions when I assumed that all mormons who went on missions would want to register. So, what you are saying through your example is that is not the case. My bad. However, if you were able to come up with evidence that Derek went on a mission, it would most likely make me even more cynical. So maybe it is best you can't.:truce:

 

[terminatrixator]

So since Raven did not go on a mission, chances are good that he wouldn't be listed anywhere, because wouldn't it need to be a full-completed mission to be listed?

 

[NCBanker]

Missions for males are 2 years, give or take a few weeks, depending upon scheduling of new ones coming in. This is standard for ALL male missionaries. Females serve for 18 months. Older married couples, who are usually retired, can serve for 12 months, 18 months, or 24 months, if desired.

I've been lurking for a while. Just haven't posted much. This case is dear to me because of Janet's association with the Church and the obvious exemplary person she was.

Thanks for the information, NCBanker, nice to see you again.

Maybe you would know the answer the question how long are most missions, is there a number a weeks, months or years or is depending on the mission.

 

[terminatrixator]

Thanks again NCBanker for the information. I really appreciate it, and I hope there will be Justice here on Earth for Janet and her child and family & friends.

I know there are so many people that have grown to love Janet and care about her though they haven't met her and I bet Janet is really grateful for all the empathy and love that so many are sending her and her precious baby's way.

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Missions for males are 2 years, give or take a few weeks, depending upon scheduling of new ones coming in. This is standard for ALL male missionaries. Females serve for 18 months. Older married couples, who are usually retired, can serve for 12 months, 18 months, or 24 months, if desired.

I've been lurking for a while. Just haven't posted much. This case is dear to me because of Janet's association with the Church and the obvious exemplary person she was.

So if missions are 2 years and Janet and raven met in College, wouldn't she have known whether he left or not? If Janet knew raven BEFORE he left, it makes sense that she knew whether he actually served a mission or part of one. Maybe she just went along with his lies because of his ego?

 

[Jenifred]

So if missions are 2 years and Janet and raven met in College, wouldn't she have known whether he left or not? If Janet knew raven BEFORE he left, it makes sense that she knew whether he actually served a mission or part of one. Maybe she just went along with his lies because of his ego?

And Raven and Janet are basically the same age, right? So, when they met, I know that Janet was straight out of high school, so probably 17 or 18 years old. That was in '98. Then everyone would have known that Raven hadn't served a mission, since young men need to be 19 to go on a mission (then they serve until 21).

Alright, I'm blabbering. What year was Raven born again?

 

[lauriej]

And Raven and Janet are basically the same age, right? So, when they met, I know that Janet was straight out of high school, so probably 17 or 18 years old. That was in '98. Then everyone would have known that Raven hadn't served a mission, since young men need to be 19 to go on a mission (then they serve until 21).

Alright, I'm blabbering. What year was Raven born again?

he was born in 1979.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Well, I am assuming you are referring to my posts JG. I know where my heart is regarding the Murder of Janet Marie and her unborn child. I feel that the members of Websleuths have done way more than Raven's family in getting the word out on Janet's Murder, and I am very grateful to be a member of Websleuths and I value your opinion JG. However, I think we have all shown more consideration and empathy in regards to Janet's Murder than anyone in Raven's family.

And you are completely entitled to that opinion (which I value as well). But please - if we're not offering anything to further a discussion, can we limit our responses to one or two posts and then let others have a chance to interact with the new members? It seems that the new members (and infrequent posters, Raven supporters, etc.) spend so much time and energy defending their feelings - why would they ever want to stay?

Trix, I know that your heart is in the right place. I know that you're very passionate, and I know that you want justice for Janet and her baby. But the way that that's going to happen, IMO, is for us all to try to keep our wits about us and to hear what everyone has to say - even those that don't have the same opinion as us. If I wanted to hear my own opinion bounced back at me all day, I could make a recording and save some money by getting rid of my Internet connection.

In any case, I hope you can understand where I'm coming from and that there are no hard feelings. I hope everyone will forgive me if I sound preachy but I'm really eager for some new insight regardless from which side of the fence that insight comes. I won't take up any more space with my lecturing.

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

Is there shame in NOT completing a mission? Would this shame be shared by a girlfriend or spouse?

 

[ewwwinteresting]

Is there shame in NOT completing a mission? Would this shame be shared by a girlfriend or spouse?

That's what I was wondering. Why would Janet go along with this lie? raven must have really been a control freak from the beginning....don't you just want to have said "Run Janet, run far away from this loser!"?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

That's what I was wondering. Why would Janet go along with this lie?

Exactly. In order to figure out precisely what the possibilities are regarding what Janet knew, we have to establish some things. Have we ever established for sure whether Raven left for a mission and was indeed sent home?

 

[OriginalJerseyGirl]

The reason that there are harsh letters posted to Raven on this site and many of the harsh comments is that when many of us got the phone call telling us about Janet's death we were told she had been murdered and that police believed it was Raven. It was hard for many of us to go to the funeral or memorial service and be in the room with Raven, to see the look in his eyes. Yes, there was fear and I'm sure that most of us were all watching our backs. Do I think that someone would have made up the fact that police thought it was Raven. NO! Why would someone do something like that?

Somehow we skipped right over this. So people were told from the get-go that LE thought it was Raven who murdered Janet? Could this have been just an assumption or was this definitely something that LE said directly? If it is true that LE stated this to someone from the start, and LE continues to state that this crime was not random, and LE has not cleared Raven as a potential suspect, that's very telling in terms of where LE is in all of this.

I wish we could know for sure if Smith Mountain Lake is a place that Raven either frequented or visited in close proximity to the murder. If we could know that for sure, we could infer that those interviews at the lake, 9 months after the murder, were about Raven. And if LE is still interviewing about Raven 9 months after the murder, it would seem logical that he is still Suspect #1.

 

[terminatrixator]

It could similar to the Scott Peterson trial, immediately the attention was on Scott Peterson by LE because of inconsistent statements and the way Scott Peterson dealt with things.

Law Enforcement then had to check out all people that had dealings with Laci Peterson, the Pawn Shop, a chance someone saw her at the Pawn shop and followed her, check out the homeless people, they investigated Brent Rocha, Amy Rocha, Rose Rocha, Ron Grantski, and they were then elimitated as suspects, then they had to check out the neighbors, any possibility of a random act.

Whether or not LE Suspected Raven from the Getgo, they still have to follow all leads, and check off all people that had contact with Janet and mark them off as suspects. They can't just focus their attention on The Raven, even if he is their prime suspect or POI, because all leads, Janet's homeschooler, coworkers, family members have to be thoroughly investigated to be eliminated as suspects.

I believe the circle has closed and it leads only to one person now, but every single tip has to be investigated, no matter how small, and once that is investigated, the noose gets tighter and tighter around the Raven's neck.

 

[Jenifred]

Is there shame in NOT completing a mission? Would this shame be shared by a girlfriend or spouse?

I'll take a gander at this question.

All 19-year-old men are asked to serve a mission for our church. It's not required, as we all have the ability to choose, but in a way it kind of is. There will be those that think because you didn't serve a mission, you're not that good of a mormon. This standard is really only held for the young men, because females aren't asked to serve, they can go if they have a desire to do so. Questions will be raised about worthiness of the young man that won't or can't go--what's holding him back? Chastity issues? Drug issues? etc.

Then because of the influence on young men to go, you get the ones that didn't really want to serve that don't work hard on their missions, you get missionaries that have been called that start their missions only to return home because they lied about their worthiness to be there, you get young men that get called and never end up starting their missions, you get men who serve their missions to put on a show or because it's "required" of them and as soon as they finish their missions they do everything they can to rebel against the church's standards.

But there are a lot of missionaries out there doing what they believe to be right and doing a good job and trying to teach our gospel. Like most things, you get a wide spectrum of personalities.

Anything else I forgot, NCBanker?