"Real Housewives" Russell Armstrong Commits Suicide

[believe09]

To bring her daughter to this event just shows how low you can go. imo.

:thud:

 

[stilettos]

Its not so much that I don't believe that Taylor was abused by Russell. I have no idea who/what/when anything happened.

However, my problem with Taylor is how this all came out. Very publicly... and no matter what the situation was. She said she stayed for the well being of her daughter... but now that the little girls father is dead, is the well being of her daughter no longer important? What little girl wants to have a story told about her father that will forever be in print.

I am 32 years old, My father was a alcoholic... who I'm pretty sure was abusive to my mother... and my older brothers and sister. (His step children). He died when I was 13, and although he might have been an abusive drunk in some peoples eyes... To me he was my Daddy and he loved me and my brother more than life itself. He never not once hurt me, and thats the way I want to remember him. I don't want to hear the horror stories of how others viewed him and I will freak on someone who down talks him in my presence. I can't imagine having to deal with it these days if it was all over the internet... all over REALITY TV, and all there in print what a monster my Dad was.

She should of signed off the show and focused on her daughter. Not immediatley put it in a book to share with the world. Her behavior is what turns me off. Her daughter will have to live with this the rest of her life, and when she gets curious to google her daddy... who she certainly loved very much, she'll see nothing but bad negative things. Its sad to me.

JMO

For your older brothers and sister it may be invalidating to their experience for you to insist that only good things are said about your Father. I am so sorry for your loss..but sometimes taking back the power from an abuser and always speaking the truth is very healing for a victim. This is why I could not go to my Father's funeral. They were making the man that terrorized me to be a saint....that invalidated my truth. Out of respect for my family, rather than make a scene to speak the truth, I stayed away. One thing I will never do is stay silent about the truth. My children have heard the truth...sometimes an abuser and pedophile can behave nicely....but it cannot in any way make up for the abuse to the victims. It would be important to explain the truth to Kennedy. If there was abuse in that house...she knows about it..trying to pretend it wasn't there will only cause her problems down the line. However, adult conversations about abuse are not appropriate places for children...IMO.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

We have talked about this incident and several people did not believe it happened. Well, it did. And, there was a police report filed....

http://www.radaronline.com/exclusiv...ng-abuse-husband-russell-drowning-new-victims

Russell Armstrong's Shocking Attempt To Drown Taylor: New Details & New Victims Identified

Taylor Armstrong revealed in her memoir that her late husband, Russell, tried to drown her in a swimming pool along with two unnamed friends, and RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned their identities and confirmed that a police report was in fact filed.

Jennifur Diamond and her husband at the time, Mark Alsentzer, were at Taylor and Russell's home several years ago when he flew into a rage and badly injured Mark, but no one pressed charges because Taylor begged her BFF Jennifur not to, and both she and Mark agreed.





A second source tells RadarOnline.com that in exchange for Jennifur and Mark not pressing charges, Russell agreed to pay for their medical bills.



"Mark got 16 stitches and had work done on his teeth because of what Russell did," the insider said.

"I can't be sure that Russell gave them money to stay quiet, but he definitely gave them money to cover the expenses of Mark's medical stuff which was somewhere around $12,000."

And although no charges were pressed, the incident created a temporary rift between Taylor and Jennifur, who refused to protect Taylor any longer when Russell got violent.


***And he's not violent??? He didn't abuse Taylor and his 2 exes???

 

[Kimberlyd125]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ge-tried-drown-wife-Taylor-swimming-pool.html

How furious Russell Armstrong tried to 'drown wife Taylor in swimming pool'

After pretending to have left the group, Russell became furious after hearing Taylor tell her friends: 'Just take care of Kennedy if anything happens.'
Taylor - who has talked about the domestic abuse she suffered at the hands of Russell - was referring to their young daughter.

But her remarks to her friends incensed Russell, and he sprung out from behind a bush in the garden and confronted Taylor.
A source told RadarOnline: 'Russell was in a frenzy, and he had a wild look in his eyes. He hit Mark, and threw Jennifur, her dog and Taylor in the swimming pool and tried to drown Taylor.

'Taylor thought she was going to die as Russell held her under the water.'
The website reports that Jennifur and Mark - who also became injured in the melee - managed to wrestle Russell off his wife.

The police were called and a report was filed - although charges were not pressed after Taylor begged her friends not to take action, it is claimed.
The insider added: 'Taylor had to cover her neck for several weeks because of the choke marks. She even had trouble speaking because of Russell's strength when he tried to choke her.'
Mark required 16 stitches and work done on his teeth after the fight and Russell agreed to pay the medical bills which totalled around $12,000.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...-wife-Taylor-swimming-pool.html#ixzz1oeNlpR4j

 

[ohiogirl]

Radar Online, and the Daily Mail. Insiders but no one willing to make the claims in their own name. What are they waiting for, a $$ deal?
I will buy it when someone besides "insiders" puts their name on this claim.
She is pimping her daughter by taking her to book signings about the horrible person Kennedy's father was. That is low, lower than low.
If she is seeking some kind of therapeutic release here, she is not going to get it at the expense of her daugher and RA's other children. Not in the public's eye, anyway. jmo

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Radar online verified the police report.

It happened. Just as Taylor has said it happened.

It really doesn't matter though. No matter what is brought forward, many minds are made up and it's more fun to doubt and smear than look at the facts that are laid out.

I'm so happy Taylor and Kennedy are alive. I'm glad he only took his life instead of his, Taylor's, and Kennedy's. That happens all too often.

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

From my post above:

RadarOnline.com has exclusively learned their identities and confirmed that a police report was in fact filed.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Taylor Armstrong and 'Real Housewives of Beverly Hills' Castmates Host Fundraiser

Taylor Armstrong and her Real Housewives of Beverly Hills cast mates played host to a fundraiser that will benefit the 1736 Family Crisis Center on Saturday.

According to a report from RadarOnline, Kyle Richards and Adrienne Maloof joined Taylor for the charity event. The crisis center benefits women and children who have experienced abusive situations, and Taylor knows all too well what that kind of situation can feel like.


Good for Taylor Armstrong for reaching out to other women in children in their hour of despair, and trying to spread the word that domestic abuse needs to be eradicated. It has likely helped her through her recent journey as much as it's helping these hurting women and children in their time of need.

http://celebs.🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬🤬/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474981180229

 

[prayers4missing]

My :twocents: fwiw, I completely believe Taylor was abused by Russell. I grew up in an abusive home and my gut told me the first time I saw him on screen something wasn't right. I found him to be extremely controlling and emotionally abusive, so her claims of physical abuse I believe. I also happen to believe that Taylor is fake. I think her book is a joke, come on your husband just killed himself and now your on a book tour bashing him? I've read things about Taylor's history and I happen to believe she is opportunistic. :moo:

 

[Kimberlyd125]

She was still married to him when he killed himself. All his debts from shady business deals and lawsuits are now her debts.

Why shouldn't she write a book? It's her life. She lived it. She suffered for years at his hands. His children know what he was. They saw it.

She finally got the courage to leave him and he killed himself. Leaving her in unreal debt.

I believe her book can help others. I found it horrifying. I had no idea what she went through.

Just because she's not perfect does not mean she's not a victim.
Nobody is perfect.

I pray others that are in an abusive relationship find a way out. I hope her work with her charity makes a difference. And, I hope other women will not have to go through the intense scrutiny that Taylor has.

IMO she's been through enough. Thank God she's still here to tell her story. There are so many who aren't.

JMO

 

[butwhatif?]

She was still married to him when he killed himself. All his debts from shady business deals and lawsuits are now her debts.

Why shouldn't she write a book? It's her life. She lived it. She suffered for years at his hands. His children know what he was. They saw it.

She finally got the courage to leave him and he killed himself. Leaving her in unreal debt.

I believe her book can help others. I found it horrifying. I had no idea what she went through.

Just because she's not perfect does not mean she's not a victim.
Nobody is perfect.

I pray others that are in an abusive relationship find a way out. I hope her work with her charity makes a difference. And, I hope other women will not have to go through the intense scrutiny that Taylor has.

IMO she's been through enough. Thank God she's still here to tell her story. There are so many who aren't.

JMO

BBM- I totally agree with this statement.
I think the reason why so many people view Taylor in a negative light is because it appears that she enjoys playing the victim role.

Watching the show, we can see that Taylor is not completely fragile. She has been quite aggressive herself.

Domestic violence is never okay, but we are only hearing one side. For all we know, she could have been violent too. But we won't know, because all of her 'staff' signed confidentiality contracts.

She has said that she stayed with Russell because she wanted to keep the family together, but I think there was a very telling moment in episode 3 of season 2.
It was after she got out of the hot tub and hopped into bed with Kim. She talked about how she was so poor growing up and she’s terrified of going back to ‘that’.

So to me, it seemed she had decided to make that trade off of staying in an abusive r/ship as long as it kept her from being 'poor'.

This is the same episode where she's drunk and goes nuts over not being able to find her make-up.
When she gets back she’s with her 'life coach' explaining what happened on the ski trip.
She downplays her alcohol consumption. Says she thinks she had a panic attack. That she hadn’t eaten all day, the got into the ‘incredibly hot’ hot tub, and had a glass of wine, got emotional and ‘couldn’t get the reigns back in’.

She chose to drink and it wasn't just one glass. She chose not to eat. And she chose to get into that hot tub. When someone starts blaming a hot tub for their emotional state- there's a problem.
IMO, Taylor likes to play the blame game.

She blames the other women for sharing their relationship histories because it made her ‘take them all on’.

I found it really frustrating to see her always placing the blame elsewhere or downplaying things and never taking responsibilty for anything.

Then there's the limo episode that has been mentioned here, when Russell said 'now that I'm being a good boy'.

When they are turned away from the party Taylor says that Camille exaggerated what Taylor had told her about the abuse in front of Russell.

Taylor: “No, no, no, no, no….she repeated an exaggerated version of what I told her”
Adrienne: "No Camille did not get carried away”.

Then in the next episode, (17) Taylor is talking to her therapist and admits that everything Camille had said she told her was true. They discuss Russell not taking ownership of the email, but Taylor doesn’t tell the therapist that she had stated that what Camille said was exaggerated.
So again, she wasn't taking any ownership....even with her therapist.

IMO, That's not a healthy example to set for victims of DV, so it seems like she's doing a disservice to them.

The only reason Taylor has undergone a lot of scrutiny because she chose to be on a reality show....or does she say that Russell forced her to sign up for it?

JMO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Wouldn't you deny it in front of Russell?????
My goodness! I would.

I see it as Taylor was in survival mode. No way was she going to own up to spilling all the beans to Camille. He would have beat the crap out of her.

Take the pool incident. Taylor thought Russell was gone after an argument. Taylor tells her friend Jennifur, if something happens to me, please take care of Kennedy. He heard it and went bat chit crazy. Chocked her, threw dogs in the pool, punched her friend.

Now, fast forward to the limo. Why on earth would she admit she told Camille details about the abuse?

No way.
I would have tried to cover it up too.

 

[Kimberlyd125]

By the way, I can't see what you bolded. Tapatalk.

 

[prayers4missing]

Wouldn't you deny it in front of Russell?????
My goodness! I would.

I see it as Taylor was in survival mode. No way was she going to own up to spilling all the beans to Camille. He would have beat the crap out of her.

Take the pool incident. Taylor thought Russell was gone after an argument. Taylor tells her friend Jennifur, if something happens to me, please take care of Kennedy. He heard it and went bat chit crazy. Chocked her, threw dogs in the pool, punched her friend.

Now, fast forward to the limo. Why on earth would she admit she told Camille details about the abuse?

No way.
I would have tried to cover it up too.

I absolutely agree with you, if she would've fessed up then he likely would've beat her. Butwhatif had a very good point though, Taylor never ever takes the blame for anything. She also had no problems whatsoever getting into verbal altercations with other women, that is pretty atypical for abused women IME. I brought up the book situation because regardless of her debt this wasn't the time. He just killed himself what 7 months ago? She's already on a book tour?

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Why not? The lawsuits are NOW.
His debts that became her debts are now.

He abused her. He killed himself.
She didn't.

Why should she be quiet? She has a massive audience that she feels she can help.

IMO abused women are too quiet too often. It's time they get mad as hell and scream from the rooftops.

She had to live it. She should be able to tell it.

Same goes for any abuse victim IMO.

 

[butwhatif?]

Wouldn't you deny it in front of Russell?????
My goodness! I would.

I see it as Taylor was in survival mode. No way was she going to own up to spilling all the beans to Camille. He would have beat the crap out of her.

Take the pool incident. Taylor thought Russell was gone after an argument. Taylor tells her friend Jennifur, if something happens to me, please take care of Kennedy. He heard it and went bat chit crazy. Chocked her, threw dogs in the pool, punched her friend.

Now, fast forward to the limo. Why on earth would she admit she told Camille details about the abuse?

No way.
I would have tried to cover it up too.

IMO, Because there was a camera and lots of people there it would have been the perfect and SAFE time to spill.
If he had've gotten violent, they would have captured it which would have been great for legal purposes, and she would have been protected by all the people there.

They could have called the cops and he'd be arrested so he couldn't harm her or anyone else.

The cat was out of the bag. She had a chance to make her escape and she didn't.

But I understand that she probably wasn't in the frame of mind to make the most rational choice at that very moment.

By the way, I can't see what you bolded. Tapatalk.

'Just because she's not perfect does not mean she's not a victim'- Totally agree with that.

Why not? The lawsuits are NOW.
His debts that became her debts are now.

He abused her. He killed himself.
She didn't.

Why should she be quiet? She has a massive audience that she feels she can help.

IMO abused women are too quiet too often. It's time they get mad as hell and scream from the rooftops .

She had to live it. She should be able to tell it.

Same goes for any abuse victim IMO.

I don't think she should be quiet. I think she should tell her story....but that should start with a therapist. I don't think she's had enough time to look at things from an emotionally healthy POV. She has a LOT of healing to do from her entire life- not just what happened with Russell.

She is the one who covered for him repeatedly. And she was so mad when her friends dared to mention it in public.
I think the fundraising for DV is great. I think bringing about more awareness of DV is great.

Does she say anything in the book about her experience being an example of what NOT to do if you are in an abusive r/ship? ie: the secrecy,covering for the abuser, encouraging other victims not to press charges etc.


I'm frustrated that I can't get to see anything past ep 19.( Not even on iTunes!!)

 

[Kimberlyd125]

She was terrified of him.
She was not well. She was dependent on the person who was abusing her.

Terrifying cycle that many women wind up in.

She has been in counseling for a long time. Since way before Russell killed himself. Her counselor has stood by her in all this too. She's working on getting her life back.

Yes, she does talk about her many mistakes. She also realizes its hard for many to understand why she stayed so long and why she still misses him. She even misses his control at times.

Again, vicious cycle.

 

[suzihawk]

Where is this police report RO claims? No one has been able to produce this police report to date. IF the police had been called to the alleged blood bath that Taylor and her friend, Jennifur, claimed happened, someone would have been arrested. They don't just walk away from a beating and assault as severe as was claimed by these two because they're asked to. It doesn't happen that way.

And where are these medical records Taylor said she was releasing to 'major news media'? I believe that was Valentine's Day she said she was releasing these records. Haven't seen those either.

Nothing she says adds up - nothing. She's doing a major disservice to real victims of domestic abuse.

MOO

 

[Kimberlyd125]

Where is this police report RO claims? No one has been able to produce this police report to date. IF the police had been called to the alleged blood bath that Taylor and her friend, Jennifur, claimed happened, someone would have been arrested. They don't just walk away from a beating and assault as severe as was claimed by these two because they're asked to. It doesn't happen that way.

And where are these medical records Taylor said she was releasing to 'major news media'? I believe that was Valentine's Day she said she was releasing these records. Haven't seen those either.

Nothing she says adds up - nothing. She's doing a major disservice to real victims of domestic abuse.

MOO

Radar Online says they verified the police report.
So now Radar Online is lying?


Let's make a list of all the people who are lying about Russell. Poor Russell.

1) ex-wife (says Russell was abusive)
2) ex-girlfriend (says Russell was abusive)
3) Taylor (says Russell was abusive)
4) Taylor's friend (witnessed it)
5) Taylor's cast mates (regarding the abusive texts and emails that they read)
6) Russell's own sister (about a major anger management issue)

:waitasec:

In my opinion, it is not Taylor who is doing a major disservice to real victims of domestic abuse, it the people who are so hateful and petty towards victims of domestic violence.

Unless someone can prove she was not abused, saying she's not a "real abuse victim" is horrid. Wonder why so many women stay quiet???

 

[Kimberlyd125]

BTW, she posted the documents to her FB page. But she took them down due to hateful comments that she thought were doing more harm than good for the abuse victims that follow her on FB and twitter.

https://m.facebook.com/pages/Taylor-Armstrong/114421708612766?id=114421708612766&_rdr