Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[Gilgamesh]

The dog didn't need to be boarded. Only Jonah was at the hospital and Ronald McDonald House. The dog lived at the mansion and RZ was also there.

JMO

MyBelle,
YOU say the dog didn't need to be boarded. Now if the dog had been yours and you said he didn't need to be boarded, that would one thing.
That dog WAS boarded. It was NOT your house, it was NOT your dog ( unless you are Jonah) and it was NOT your decision to make.
It remains a fact that the dog was spirited away and Rebecca ended up dead. We can both agree on that. Where our opinions diverge is what happened in the middle of that scenario.
I think that saying that RZ killed herself as a big F You to Jonah is as ridiculous as it gets. But hey, attack the victim. Defense 101.

 

[bourne]

Dina wasn't present when her son incurred his injuries therefore her version of the incident isn't what Dr. Peterson discussed with police.

JMO

I never said she was. I was responding to another poster's comparisons of Dina vs. Rebecca's evil/criminal behaviors.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I totally agree. Not only could LE obtain the records, LE did obtain the records. JS didn't control how or when LE chose to retrieve the actual message. I think RZ erased the message out of anger.

I do find the suggestions that DS or NR--or anybody else--sneaked into the mansion, spent all that time setting up a murder, stopped to listen to messages and at some point lugged a body to an outdoor balcony and heaved it over all to be far beyond the grasp of reality.

JMO

Yes, they snuck in while Max lay dying to stage the most elaborate suicide to ambiguously mimic murder all while not worrying about anyone catching them. They wore hazmat suits and surgical gloves they stole from the hospital storeroom to do it all. (They snuck in the storeroom by hiding in the bottom of a laundry cart.).

 

[bourne]

Yes, they snuck in while Max lay dying to stage the most elaborate suicide to ambiguously mimic murder all while not worrying about anyone catching them. They wore hazmat suits and surgical gloves they stole from the hospital storeroom to do it all. (They snuck in the storeroom by hiding in the bottom of a laundry cart.).

No need to sneak in when the back door was unlocked. According to Ann Rule and an insider, the back door is often left unlocked at the Spreckels mansion. Recall the next morning, Adam gained access into the mainhouse of the Spreckels mansion to get a knife from the kitchen. How did he do that? He either had keys to the mainhouse OR it was unlocked. If Adam could get into the main house, SO CAN DINA AND NINA.

Also, Nina took Jonah's car and his carkeys which likely included his HOUSE keys.

 

[inthedark14]

I assure you that Rady does have doctors at all hours.

It is useless to speculate which calls RZ chose not to answer or why they were not answered.

How do you know JS didn't supply LE with information? Just because LE didn't make everything public doesn't mean LE doesn't have all the information from Jonah.

Well it isn't speculation that RZ's phone records do not show a missed call, received call, or anything from JS during the time frame he said he left the message.

 

[kittychi]

IMHO if LE had anything, whatsoever to present to the public on their holiday weekend press conference, they would have laid their cards out. This whole investigation is just crying for someone to provide the actual proof. What LE showed with their PowerPoint presentation was their opinion, and their opinion only. They may as well give themselves a "handle" and post here, there is no REAL EVIDENCE that has been provided that proves their theory. They provided no real facts, no real evidence. This appears to be par for the course for SDSO. I think it's very lucky for the people who live there that elections are coming pretty soon.

ALWAYS MOO

BBM: If I were DR, NR, or Adam I would be very angry that SDSO did not make a good case for suicide at all.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM :waitasec: Huh? You find it "far beyond the grasp of reality" that Dina and/or Nina and/or anyone else could have staged the crime scene and murdered Rebecca in such an elaborate manner with so many detailed steps, and yet, you believe that Rebecca, independently on her own, could have concocted, implemented and executed such a detailed plan all on her own in a matter of ten minutes to maximum of 2 hours?

Recall, according to LE, Rebecca allegedly heard the "suicide trigger voicemail" of Jonah at 12:50am Wed. Since Rebecca's Time of Death was approximated to be around 1-3am Wed, presumably Rebecca had done the planning, gathering of materials, etc., and execution in 10 minutes to 2 hours.

I find it beyond preposterous and illogical to believe that one young petite 5'3" and 100 lb woman who was NEVER emotionally unstable or suicidal could have thought up, prepared, gathered knives, gloves, paints, paintbrushes, rope, etc. in a short span of 10mins to 2 hours paint a cryptic message on a bedroom door, and then with her feet tied, her wrists bound BEHIND HER BACK, t-shirt wrapped tightly around her neck 3x with sleeve cramped down her throat, and a noose around her neck, this small woman named Rebecca could have leaped or according to LE "slipped" over the balcony railing ON HER OWN but leave NO DNA/prints on balcony railing and virtually no prints on the dusty balcony floor except for one toeprint, AND shut the balcony door BEHIND HER and turned off the light BEHIND HER.

Yet, you would have us believe that Dina at around 5'8" & 185 lbs who has a DOCUMENTED HISTORY OF PHYSICAL AND DOMESTIC VIOLENCE AND/OR her twin Nina at about 5'7, 175 lbs AND/OR with Adam at approx 5'9" & 170lbs are ALL TWO or THREE PEOPLE TOGETHER unable to devise an elaborate, torturous, murderous plan and carry out the murder of Rebecca? :scared: Your reasoning appears quite warped and illogical.

BBM. It is your speculation that RZ was never unstable or suicidal but there is no real proof to support your speculation. I know of several suicides where the family had no idea their loved one was suicidal.

According to LE here is no evidence RZ was murdered.

<modsnip>.

 

[MyBelle]

MyBelle,
YOU say the dog didn't need to be boarded. Now if the dog had been yours and you said he didn't need to be boarded, that would one thing.
That dog WAS boarded. It was NOT your house, it was NOT your dog ( unless you are Jonah) and it was NOT your decision to make.
It remains a fact that the dog was spirited away and Rebecca ended up dead. We can both agree on that. Where our opinions diverge is what happened in the middle of that scenario.
I think that saying that RZ killed herself as a big F You to Jonah is as ridiculous as it gets. But hey, attack the victim. Defense 101.

It's my opinion the dog didn't need to be boarded. He lived there and RZ was also at the house. In the link I posted, Greenberg said he went to the house and picked up the dog at RZ's request and she told him she wanted to be at the hospital with her injured son. These are facts you seem to want to ignore.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

BBM...don't forget the binding of feet, binding of hands behind back, gagging with a tee shirt, painting the door before the heaving.

Thanks. I also haven't forgotten that bondage was accessed on the home computer prior to her death.

 

[MyBelle]

No need to sneak in when the back door was unlocked. According to Ann Rule and an insider, the back door is often left unlocked at the Spreckels mansion. Recall the next morning, Adam gained access into the mainhouse of the Spreckels mansion to get a knife from the kitchen. How did he do that? He either had keys to the mainhouse OR it was unlocked. If Adam could get into the main house, SO CAN DINA AND NINA.

Also, Nina took Jonah's car and his carkeys which likely included his HOUSE keys.

Was RZ deaf? Why did she leave the door unlocked while she was inside? Dina or Nina could not possibly know that not only would the door be unlocked but also the alarm system wasn't engaged AND that Adam wouldn't be anywhere near or within earshot. It's a far-fetched theory with no evidence to support it, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, they snuck in while Max lay dying to stage the most elaborate suicide to ambiguously mimic murder all while not worrying about anyone catching them. They wore hazmat suits and surgical gloves they stole from the hospital storeroom to do it all. (They snuck in the storeroom by hiding in the bottom of a laundry cart.).

The theory that all three were more focused on RZ rather than a gravely injured child is as absurd as it gets, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM: If I were DR, NR, or Adam I would be very angry that SDSO did not make a good case for suicide at all.

The ME was convinced by the good case made by the SDSO. Why would DR, NR or Adam dispute it?

 

[MyBelle]

Well it isn't speculation that RZ's phone records do not show a missed call, received call, or anything from JS during the time frame he said he left the message.

LE haven't based their conclusion on speculation, imo.

 

[coastal]

RZ was at the house and the dog lived there. Most dog owners have no problem keeping their dog at home while they are away running errands.

Did RZ leave the dog a note? I think RZ took the dog to the kennel because she knew Jonah cared about it, not because she cared about it.

JMO

My bold. Why would she do this, if your theory of why she was suicidal is correct? Or, are you saying Rebecca cared about Jonah enough to take care of what he loved, even at such a time- especially at such a time- but not enough to not kill herself in such an awful and hateful way?

 

[MyBelle]

My bold. Why would she do this, if your theory of why she was suicidal is correct? Or, are you saying Rebecca cared about Jonah enough to take care of what he loved, even at such a time- especially at such a time- but not enough to not kill herself in such an awful and hateful way?

RZ did not take very good care of Max, did she? He and her sister both were seriously injured while in her care at Jonah's house.

I think she killed herself in the manner that she did because Jonah chose his family over her.

 

[coastal]

RZ was at the house and the dog lived there. Most dog owners have no problem keeping their dog at home while they are away running errands.

Did RZ leave the dog a note? I think RZ took the dog to the kennel because she knew Jonah cared about it, not because she cared about it.

JMO

My bold. Why would she do this, if your theory of why she was suicidal is correct? Or, are you saying Rebecca cared about Jonah enough to take care of what he loved, even at such a time- especially at such a time- but not enough to not kill herself in such an awful and hateful way?

 

[kittychi]

The ME was convinced by the good case made by the SDSO. Why would DR, NR or Adam dispute it?

Because now they are defendants in a wrongful death suit.

 

[coastal]

Ok, fair enough. Thank you for your reply.
What, then, is your thought about the dog being boarded? TIA

 

[screecher]

RZ did not take very good care of Max, did she? He and her sister both were seriously injured while in her care at Jonah's house.

I think she killed herself in the manner that she did because Jonah chose his family over her.

BBM

BINGO!!!

His 'family' being Maxie, ES and GS.

Certainly not The Twin Romanos. The only reason JS is keeping quiet regarding Rebecca's brutal and horrific murder is because he KNOWS how Maxie's accident happened AND who was there.

But that's okay because it all will come out with the WDS!

MOO JMO

 

[bourne]

BBM. It is your speculation that RZ was never unstable or suicidal but there is no real proof to support your speculation. I know of several suicides where the family had no idea their loved one was suicidal.

According to LE here is no evidence RZ was murdered.

<modsnip>.

No, it is NOT speculation when a psychological expert hired by the Zahaus reviewed Rebecca's medical history and her diaries and decisively concluded that Rebecca was NOT depressed and NEVER had suicidal tendencies or any mental illness. See the interview done with the doctor on Dr. Phil show. There were only 2 Dr. Phil shows on the Rebecca Zahau case so this should be easy for you to locate and watch.

And you've missed the point completely. It is highly RELEVANT to give the perps vs. Rebecca's height and weight in order to show that Dina and Nina and anyone else likely committed Rebecca's murder rather than Rebecca killing herself because such physical characteristics of the perps means they had the PHYSICAL CAPABILITY to perform all the actions you claimed are implausible <modsnip>:

I do find the suggestions that DS or NR--or anybody else--sneaked into the mansion, spent all that time setting up a murder, stopped to listen to messages and at some point lugged a body to an outdoor balcony and heaved it over all to be far beyond the grasp of reality.