Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[*Lash*]

I don't have the case for suicide, but I think the reason Dina needs to think its suicide, is because that is all that was told to her by her big sugar daddy. She has stock in believing her sugar daddy. If she fails to believe her sugar daddy her sugar will melt into sugar water and slowly evaporate.

what if she had to think it was murder? she would have to face the fact that a real crime occurred here an that she is a focal point of suspicion.

Open your eyes up Dina... You are in the midst of hurricane ex-husband.

I think Dina, Nina, Adam and Jonah ALL need to open their eyes! This case is not going away.

 

[Carioca]

I wish that I could find the footage that aired live when they were moving that table from upstairs and carrying it downstairs. I watched it all unfold live online; and everyone did have footies and gloves on; but they moved that table and then photographed it downstairs on the lawn. I watched them move it from upstairs to downstairs and they carried it sideways. Has anyone seen any tape of the live footage that aired that day? Thanks in Advance, I try to check back for answers but sometimes cannot. If anyone knows or has a youtube link pls post, I'd so appreciate it.

Hi Cherry - what table are you referring to? If the round three-legged wooden table allegedly used by AS to cut RZ down, that table was never upstairs. It was on top of the brick walkway in the inner courtyard. LE were wearing white gloves to carry it out the front door, but they weren't wearing booties.

 

[justice be served]

I wish that I could find the footage that aired live when they were moving that table from upstairs and carrying it downstairs. I watched it all unfold live online; and everyone did have footies and gloves on; but they moved that table and then photographed it downstairs on the lawn. I watched them move it from upstairs to downstairs and they carried it sideways. Has anyone seen any tape of the live footage that aired that day? Thanks in Advance, I try to check back for answers but sometimes cannot. If anyone knows or has a youtube link pls post, I'd so appreciate it.

Were you maybe thinking, instead, of the door being moved? At the time it happened live, it was speculated that it was art or a table? I believe the only table that came into question, was the outdoor table.

 

[STS-135]

I wish that I could find the footage that aired live when they were moving that table from upstairs and carrying it downstairs. I watched it all unfold live online; and everyone did have footies and gloves on; but they moved that table and then photographed it downstairs on the lawn. I watched them move it from upstairs to downstairs and they carried it sideways. Has anyone seen any tape of the live footage that aired that day? Thanks in Advance, I try to check back for answers but sometimes cannot. If anyone knows or has a youtube link pls post, I'd so appreciate it.

What else can you please tell Carioca about the "table" you saw? Was it perhaps an art table/easel? Size. Shape. Color. Height. All those things would be very helpful. I recall noticing a round table in the LE diagram of the strangulation room already posted to this thread last week. If that's all it was, LE might've just been looking for fingerprints. But why photograph it on the lawn? Could it have played a role and been moved/returned upstairs by the perp(s)? Thank you.

 

[STS-135]

Hi Cherry - what table are you referring to? If the round three-legged wooden table allegedly used by AS to cut RZ down, that table was never upstairs. It was on top of the brick walkway in the inner courtyard. LE were wearing white gloves to carry it out the front door, but they weren't wearing booties.

I don't think she's referring to the same table. My recollection is that one or more sleuths have also asked about that table at various times in the past. I don't have the time to read hundreds of posts that include the word table at the moment; but one can no doubt find other references to it in the 'archive'.

 

[STS-135]

Snipped for focus

Yes, Dina herself supplied the public with the "link" connecting her to the racist and hate filled litterbox. She supplied the source to Judy Melinek, who said so in her report that Dina paid her to write. The link to that report is widely available with a google search, or visit the "Dina's Expert's Reports" thread here.

As we like to say in IT: Hire a consultant when you want an expert to tell your boss what you want them to hear.

What I mean is this: The client giving the consultant links to the client's own assault/rage theories makes perfect sense. Consultant then citing those links in her expert report also makes perfect sense: She could not imagine/visualize how the accident happened in a way that explained the damage on the banister/newel post as well as Maxie's injuries; but, rather than just say, I have no clue as to how the accident might've happened, so here is your check back, I'll just agree with the client, keep the check, and cite the links the client provided to justify my wild-@$$ed conclusion.

Where is the puke smiley when you need it? :floorlaugh:

 

[DeDee]

I fully believe Rebecca killed herself.

Her life changed for the worse the day Max fell..........it bottomed out when she received the call that all hope was gone of saving Max.

I truly believe her love for Max and Jonah was deep and genuine.

I know that the loss of a loved one can trigger suicidal thoughts.

I also know that close relationships can trigger suicides when something tragic happens and turns their lives upside down forever changing what could have been.

But most of all I trust the evidence found during the 7 long week investigation.

It is a simple deduction of the facts, imo.

The main one is there is absolutely no evidence found that anyone else was there at the time but Rebecca. I don't buy into the idea that some phantom killer was in the house who left no footprints anywhere or DNA.

Imo, this wasnt an undoable act. It really doesn't take much planning. Go get the rope..the knives...go to the guest bedroom with the balcony...cut the ropes in three pieces...print the message on the door. Apply the ropes and walk out on the balcony and jump off. The rope tying is not complicated. It is more like weaving a figure eight back and forth on each wrist and putting the rope through in order to tighten.

Both Dina and Jonah's whereabouts during the time that Rebecca killed herself are ironclad.

Adam, per the Zahau family, took a polygraph and passed. <respectfully snipped>.

IMO

Au contraire'. AS's polygraph results were inconclusive. Otherwise, I agree with the statements quoted, as is, in this post.

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The nature of this particular suicide is a first for the "naked female, gagged and discovered outdoors" method. However, other folks have been successful in doing so in unorthodox ways as explained in the following news video.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario


The compelling computer searches for bondage anime, etc. from the day before indicates RZ knew exactly what she was doing in contemplating suicide.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer


Along with the internet searches, also pointing to premeditation, is she boarded her dog the day before she was discovered.

In this particular case, it does not require someone with a knowledge of nautical knots but rather a knowledge of bondage. The gag is indicative of bondage, not seaman's knots.

Besides the obvious fact that suicide is not normal, nor is it natural, another reason why there may be a difficult time believing she performed this gruesome act is because we may not possess personal experience with bondage nor ever personally been exposed to such treatment. At least, for me, that was one reason why, in the beginning, that I could not accept this death as a suicide.


imo & moo

 

[SweetT]

If I found a woman hanging from a rope and gagged and bound my first thought would be "Damn there's a killer around here I better gtfo quick, not she suicided herself

 

[SweetT]

Au contraire'. AS's polygraph results were inconclusive. Otherwise, I agree with the statements quoted, as is, in this post.

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The nature of this particular suicide is a first for the "naked female, gagged and discovered outdoors" method. However, other folks have been successful in doing so in unorthodox ways as explained in the following news video.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario


The compelling computer searches for bondage anime, etc. from the day before indicates RZ knew exactly what she was doing in contemplating suicide.

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer


Along with the internet searches, also pointing to premeditation, is she boarded her dog the day before she was discovered.

In this particular case, it does not require someone with a knowledge of nautical knots but rather a knowledge of bondage. The gag is indicative of bondage, not seaman's knots.

Besides the obvious fact that suicide is not normal, nor is it natural, another reason why there may be a difficult time believing she performed this gruesome act is because we may not possess personal experience with bondage nor ever personally been exposed to such treatment. At least, for me, that was one reason why, in the beginning, that I could not accept this death as a suicide.


imo & moo

Do we know if anyone else was at the home the day prior to her being suicided? just curious. I am still on the fence on being suicide or not. I think its possible

 

[TorisMom003]

Do we know if anyone else was at the home the day prior to her being suicided? just curious. I am still on the fence on being suicide or not. I think its possible

Actually yes, someone else was there. Adam S, Jonah's brother, was at the mansion as well and has been on record as to viewing while at the mansion.

HTH

 

[SweetT]

Yea but he wasnt inside the mansion on Rebeccas pc right?

 

[TorisMom003]

Yea but he wasnt inside the mansion on Rebeccas pc right?

That we don't know as fact. Adam claims to have not been in the mansion until the next morning when he found Rebecca. However, he didn't run back to the guest house kitchen to get a knife, he ran into the kitchen of the mansion through an unlocked door.

 

[prospektor]

Just found this and thought I might share:

Last week, Travis hanged himself in jail, even as he was under suicide watch. Finding a spot in his cell that the monitor posted outside could not see, he managed to thread a noose made from a sheet through the tiny holes of a mesh vent above his toilet.

He then stuffed toilet paper in his nostrils, put a gag in his mouth and pulled a pillowcase over his head. Somehow--authorities said he must have drawn on his skill with sadomasochistic bondage--he managed to tie his own hands behind his back. Then he put the noose around his neck and jumped off the toilet.

http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/17/nation/na-serial17

 

[bourne]

Just found this and thought I might share:



http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/17/nation/na-serial17

Apples and oranges.

According to the article, this serial killer also "bound", "tortured" and "murdered" his victims. In other words, he had TONS OF EXPERIENCE with binding/bondage. So it would not be unusual FOR THIS MALE serial killer to bind himself or gag himself in his own suicide.

But what the male serial killer did to himself is IRRELEVANT to Rebecca because Rebecca did not have any experience with bondage or rope binding, nor was she known to gag herself or others. Unless you can find us BEHAVIORAL HISTORY of Rebecca binding/gagging herself, your "analogy" holds no water.

It's like saying ooh, ooh, Michael Phelps broke 8 world records and won the 8 gold medals in the Olympics, that means everyone, including untrained, inexperienced swimmers could do it too? GMAB

 

[Carioca]

Actually yes, someone else was there. Adam S, Jonah's brother, was at the mansion as well and has been on record as to viewing while at the mansion.

HTH

Yes, Adam as well as NINA, and according to witnesses, DINA. Thus, they were all at the mansion the night Rebecca was murdered.

 

[Carioca]

Just found this and thought I might share:



http://articles.latimes.com/2002/jun/17/nation/na-serial17

This guy Travis was a serial killer who bound and tortured his victims before murdering them and tossing their bodies, like garbage, on the roadside -- back in 2002. Odd the mention of this article. Spooky the similarities between Rebecca's murder and this killer Travis' modus operandi. Like Travis' victims, Rebecca was bound and tortured and murdered, then her body tossed on the grass and left out for 13+ hours like road kill.

Travis left a suicide note declaring he would rather kill himself than face execution or life in prison.

Not addressing this to you prospektor, but just continuing with a thought:
It's a huge leap to assume Rebecca engaged in bondage. Her computer was accessed the day she was murdered via a SW airline account. Rebecca wasn't even home. After Diggidy Dog picked up Ocean at around 9AM that morning, she was busy with her little sister, also taking phone calls left and right, then taking her sister to airport, picking up Adam, etc. She and Adam only arrived back at Spreckels at 8PM. The rest is history.

Sorry. Not buying it. With the frenzy of activity taking care of everyone else that day, IMO she didn't pause with a cup and tea and search bondage. GMAB.

IMO both the bondage search on a computer and the Housemaid DVD were planted before her death. Premeditation.

 

[prospektor]

Apples and oranges.
[snip snap]
GMAB

Wooooaaaah, easy there.

Do we even know how good her hands were bound? It's pretty easy to just leave an opening you can slip in with more or less effort. It would be enough to keep herself from involuntarily grabbing the noose. Or one that would just need a little more pulling to close it tightly. Or one can easily bind the hands in front of the body and leave enough rope in between to step over it.
I have no years of experience in bondage neither, but I do bind my shoes myself and could even use such knots to bind my hands behind my back. And it obviously is occasionally used when people hang themselves, because that guy didn't have some sexual bondage play in mind - unless you might want to claim it was autoerotic asphyxiation gone wrong.
I'm also able to stuff something in my mouth or bite down on my shirt without years of experience in being gagged. Maybe I'm some kind of S/M prodigy, maybe I should reconsider my career choices.

 

[prospektor]

IMO both the bondage search on a computer and the Housemaid DVD were planted before her death. Premeditation.

Oh, so there IS evidence pointing that she at least looked up bondage?* Well, that makes the orange quite a bit apple-ier. I think if that was premeditation, it went a looooooooooooong way. In fact, long enough to suspect any suicide to be a murder, with cleverly planted evidence.
However - the assumption that she killed Max and made it look like an accident needs much less mental contortion and would provide a motive. A motive that goes both ways, unfortunately.


*Sorry for not being up-to-date, these subforums can be quite exhausting as they are often either warzones or echo-chambers. Quite frankly, I think I prefer to take my leave now.

 

[*Lash*]

Oh, so there IS evidence pointing that she at least looked up bondage?* Well, that makes the orange quite a bit apple-ier. I think if that was premeditation, it went a looooooooooooong way. In fact, long enough to suspect any suicide to be a murder, with cleverly planted evidence.
However - the assumption that she killed Max and made it look like an accident needs much less mental contortion and would provide a motive. A motive that goes both ways, unfortunately.


*Sorry for not being up-to-date, these subforums can be quite exhausting as they are often either warzones or echo-chambers. Quite frankly, I think I prefer to take my leave now.

BBM - No, there is NO evidence that Rebecca was the person who performed these searches. ONLY that a person performed these searches. We do not know the WHO, HOW or TIME of the searches.

 

[defense101]

Wooooaaaah, easy there.

Do we even know how good her hands were bound? It's pretty easy to just leave an opening you can slip in with more or less effort. It would be enough to keep herself from involuntarily grabbing the noose. Or one that would just need a little more pulling to close it tightly. Or one can easily bind the hands in front of the body and leave enough rope in between to step over it.
I have no years of experience in bondage neither, but I do bind my shoes myself and could even use such knots to bind my hands behind my back. And it obviously is occasionally used when people hang themselves, because that guy didn't have some sexual bondage play in mind - unless you might want to claim it was autoerotic asphyxiation gone wrong.
I'm also able to stuff something in my mouth or bite down on my shirt without years of experience in being gagged. Maybe I'm some kind of S/M prodigy, maybe I should reconsider my career choices.

Adam did say that he moved something on her wrists to see if she had a pulse, this could have been where the looseness of the bindings came in IMO As well why bind your hands behind your back, once you jump from that distance there is no pulling the rope from your neck IMO again. Its not like you are hanging yourself from a closet rod, you have had it when you hang from that distance