Rebecca and the 'rescue breaths'

[Betty P]

The paramedics, physicians and parents interest in knowing how long Max was without oxygen was very important. People do survive head injuries. Knowing exactly how long Max was without oxygen would greatly impact his prognosis. A dead brain isn't going to improve.

Rescue breaths are not one breath given continuously. Chest compressions can be given successfully as were given to Max. I urge you to obtain training in CPR to understand the process.

JMO

I've had CPR and First Aid training at our local FD and Red Cross within the last year. It would be a challenge for anyone as it was for the LEO who responded w/in 2 minutes and the EMTs who arrived shortly thereafter to perform rescue breaths on a child whose airway they could not keep open. Read the EMT's report.

 

[Betty P]

Again, you are incorrect. A social worker at Rady Hospital--not Dr. Peterson-- contacted CPS. At that point in time, Max was still alive and the ME was not involved.

The AR did not refute Dr. Peterson's concern he told the detective that the description of the incident did not fit Max's injuries.

JMO

You may want to re-read the warrant. When Dr. Peterson contacted Det. Atkins, he stated that the social worker was preparing a report, but had not submitted it to CPS.

We'll just have to disagree on the AR report. The ME gave a detailed description of Max's spinal cord injuries and their consequences.

 

[MyBelle]

You may want to re-read the warrant. When Dr. Peterson contacted Det. Atkins, he stated that the social worker was preparing a report, but had not submitted it to CPS.

We'll just have to disagree on the AR report. The ME gave a detailed description of Max's spinal cord injuries and their consequences.

The AR didn't address Dr. Peterson's concerns that the description of the incident did not match Max's injuries.

The social worker for the hospital initiated the contact with CPS, which I believe is the protocol for Rady Hospital.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I've had CPR and First Aid training at our local FD and Red Cross within the last year. It would be a challenge for anyone as it was for the LEO who responded w/in 2 minutes and the EMTs who arrived shortly thereafter to perform rescue breaths on a child whose airway they could not keep open. Read the EMT's report.

Here's the EMT report and it says the challenge was with advanced life support, not basic life support. Breathing and compressions were given and maintained. The question that is still unanswered is how long was Max really without oxygen? Brain death takes more than just two minutes.


http://www.maxshacknai.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/CFD_Report.pdf

pt was in asystole, compressions and bvm were initiated.....pt was intubated but the tube was pulled due to difficulties conforming it and bls airway was continued.JMO

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

From the Press Conference, Dr. Jon Lucas:

And again, in more simple terms, he suffered an injury to his upper spinal cord that stopped his heart and lungs. That resulted in brain damage during the period of time before his heartbeat and breathing were restored. He then subsequently died from the brain injury five days later.

 

[Betty P]

From the Press Conference, Dr. Jon Lucas:

And again, in more simple terms, he suffered an injury to his upper spinal cord that stopped his heart and lungs. That resulted in brain damage during the period of time before his heartbeat and breathing were restored. He then subsequently died from the brain injury five days later.

Yes, that's what I recall. He was not suffocated. His heartbeat and breathing were not restored until he was given 2 shots of epinephrine by EMTs.

No one harmed him, everyone did the best they could. It was a tragic accident. But is it possible that someone who mistakenly thought he was smothered later killed RZ in revenge? Is that why they chose strangulation? Does that explain the strange message on the door?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Yes, that's what I recall. He was not suffocated. His heartbeat and breathing were not restored until he was given 2 shots of epinephrine by EMTs.

No one harmed him, everyone did the best they could. It was a tragic accident. But is it possible that someone who mistakenly thought he was smothered later killed RZ in revenge? Is that why they chose strangulation? Does that explain the strange message on the door?

It still begs the question...why did Rebecca Zahau lie about giving CPR?

 

[Betty P]

It still begs the question...why did Rebecca Zahau lie about giving CPR?

We've been over that already, she didn't lie.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Since we are discussing Dr. Jon Lucas, and many of you have speculated that he was "paid off" for leaving out details in RZ's autopsy by getting a promotion, here's a little blurb about that promotion:


"Chief Medical Examiner Dr. Glenn Wagner said there was "uniform excitement" among county officials about Lucas' promotion, probably because Lucas reflects officials' perceptions of what the office should do and be ---- from how he presents himself to how he conveys his analytical thought process to authorities and the public.

"Of all of my folks, possibly excluding myself, Jon has had the most experience in all of that, and he is a known quantity," Wagner said. "I'm quite comfortable and happy to have him as my No. 2."

Wagner said Lucas has proved his professional mettle during 10 years as a deputy medical examiner for the office. Most recently, Lucas created and presented the office's 2010 report on county deaths, and he handled the office's investigation of the death of Rebecca Zahau in Coronado, a case that made national news, Wagner said.

Wagner said a panel of county officials, which included representatives from the district attorney's office, Human Resources Department, Sheriff's Department and a public safety group, voted unanimously to promote Lucas."

http://m.nctimes.com/mobile/article_2651dd1e-a797-5e20-b937-ce58e560211e.html

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

We've been over that already, she didn't lie.

You might think she didn't lie. I think she did. I think that because her story kept changing about where she and XZ were. And she lied about how Max said "Ocean'. And she had XZ call 911 while she found Ocean and brought him inside, to the stair case landing. All IMO>

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, that's what I recall. He was not suffocated. His heartbeat and breathing were not restored until he was given 2 shots of epinephrine by EMTs.

No one harmed him, everyone did the best they could. It was a tragic accident. But is it possible that someone who mistakenly thought he was smothered later killed RZ in revenge? Is that why they chose strangulation? Does that explain the strange message on the door?

BBM. With all due respect, the EMT report makes it clear the paramedic immediately established circulation and breathing and the effort continued until Max was handed to the hospital ER team. I and others have posted links several times.

His doctor and Rady Hospital felt he had been harmed and reported it to authorities as was their duty. I think it highly unlikely anybody would kill in revenge rather than want LE to arrest, convict and have the convicted felon spend a life rotting in prison.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

It still begs the question...why did Rebecca Zahau lie about giving CPR?

I'd like to know why anyone trained and certified in CPR would only give rescue breaths, which are useless without also providing circulation.

I can certainly understand why the doctors and Hospital blew the whistle.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

You might think she didn't lie. I think she did. I think that because her story kept changing about where she and XZ were. And she lied about how Max said "Ocean'. And she had XZ call 911 while she found Ocean and brought him inside, to the stair case landing. All IMO>

I agree. Interesting that Ocean didn't climb all the way to the top of the steps. I bet the dog was trained to stay where he was told.

JMO

 

[Zinn]

You might think she didn't lie. I think she did. I think that because her story kept changing about where she and XZ were. And she lied about how Max said "Ocean'. And she had XZ call 911 while she found Ocean and brought him inside, to the stair case landing. All IMO>

On what evidence do you base your opinion that Rebecca was outside with the dog during the 911 call? Nina suggested a similar scenario. She said she based her opinion on the fact that the dog did not bark until near the end of the 911 call, as first responders were arriving. The interviewer asked if perhaps the dog began barking in response to approaching sirens. Nina's response indicated she hadn't considered that scenario. On what do you base your opinion?

I think it could be helpful to explore these theories about the dog. It might explain why the dog bone was found alongside more traditional weapons (knives) and why JS took precautionary measures when Ocean was released from the kennel.

 

[Gilgamesh]

What precautions did JS take? Somehow I haven't heard about that. Tia

 

[Zinn]

What precautions did JS take? Somehow I haven't heard about that. Tia

The owner of the dog day care place was quoted as saying JS called to inform him he had arranged for a PI / former police officer to pick up the dog and escort him/her from the facility.

 

[Charterhouse]

Does anyone know where Ocean is now? I heard earlier he was with Jonah but I don't know. Does anyone know?
Sorry for posting on this thread but I did not know where to post it.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Ok. I had heard that JS had someone pick the dog up but I assumed it was an underling. Does anyone know for sure that this was actually a protective measure to keep the dog safe?
My impression of JS is very low but this gesture would actually be a kind one coming from him.

 

[Inparadise]

Ok. I had heard that JS had someone pick the dog up but I assumed it was an underling. Does anyone know for sure that this was actually a protective measure to keep the dog safe?
My impression of JS is very low but this gesture would actually be a kind one coming from him.

There were reports in the media that Jonah hired PI to protect the dog. The truth is that he hired a "rent-a-cop" to pick up the dog.....i'll have to dig up the name of the company, but they handle things like event parking/security.

 

[Inparadise]

Does anyone know where Ocean is now? I heard earlier he was with Jonah but I don't know. Does anyone know?
Sorry for posting on this thread but I did not know where to post it.

He is still with Jonah.