Rebecca Zahau Wrongful Death/ADAM SHACKNAI FOUND RESPONSIBLE #6

[Mica]

BBM I see what he did there. If he was confident in his department's findings he would have handed over the review to a wholly independent PD team.

Jmo.

This is 100% correct. If Dave Myers had been elected the outcome of the “review” with an independent PD team would most likely be homicide, just as a jury of Shacknai’s peers concluded. IMO

 

[Lilibet]

“After conducting this review, the case team found no evidence that would lead us to believe that Rebecca Zahau died at the hands of another,” Gore said. “In addition we found no evidence that would dispute or be inconsistent with the Medical Examiner’s finding that Rebecca Zahau’s manner of death was suicide.”

The sheriff assembled a team of one Coronado police sergeant and three sergeants from the Sheriff’s homicide unit

“It should be noted that no one on the review team was part of the original investigation, and they had no prior connections to the case. The group was assigned to conduct a thorough, objective review of the investigation with fresh eyes,” Gore said

A video of the news conference and photos of materials displayed will be posted onlineafter the briefing, the San Diego Union-Tribune reported.

Review confirms suicide ruling in Zahau hanging case, sheriff says

Thanks! I read all this AFAIK and couldn’t see if they used the new evidence too. I didn’t listen to the 42 minute news conference though. Perhaps I missed something? Is there an answer to my question about the new evidence anywhere? I was hoping they would consider it, but it appears they didn’t?

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks! I read all this AFAIK and couldn’t see if they used the new evidence too. I didn’t listen to the 42 minute news conference though. Perhaps I missed something? Is there an answer to my question about the new evidence anywhere? I was hoping they would consider it, but it appears they didn’t?

I'm hoping Mr Greer shares any report they made answering to the evidence presented at the civil trial.

 

[Seattle1]

Thanks! I read all this AFAIK and couldn’t see if they used the new evidence too. I didn’t listen to the 42 minute news conference though. Perhaps I missed something? Is there an answer to my question about the new evidence anywhere? I was hoping they would consider it, but it appears they didn’t?

Best part of the news conference is the reporter questions -- it's worth listening to.

 

[Betty P]

BBM I see what he did there. If he was confident in his department's findings he would have handed over the review to a wholly independent PD team.

Jmo.

Yes, instead he chose people who report to him and whom he controls. Not surprising, though. A lot of us expected this.

 

[Betty P]

San Diego County Sheriff's Department

42 min news conf at link above

Very odd that Gore mentions Rebecca's ex-husband in his power-point presentation. IIRC, Nalepa wasn't even in the state of California when she was killed, let alone in San Diego or near the crime scene. But they keep bringing him up as a "red herring". I get the impression that if they could have pinned this on Neil Nalepa, they would have. Bringing him up has the whiff of Shacknai involvement in this "report", JMO. They were always trying to pin it on him, too.

ETA: A lot of twisting and distorting of witness testimony and evidence in the PP presentation.

 

[Jessica2012]

The review team delved into the case “from scratch,” going over the clues first collected and analyzed by law enforcement seven years ago and reaching out the Zahau family’s lawyer for any new evidence, Williams said.

“We asked for all the materials we could from that trial, and we began poring through that and looking at each theory offered to see if there was, in fact, any new evidence that we could utilize to help us learn more and see if we had this thing (right) initially or if anything new came to light,” the lieutenant told news crews. “And, in fact, we found that there was no new evidence offered or presented at that civil trial that would help us.”

Among its key findings, the review team concluded that wounds found on Zahau’s forehead were “more consistent” with the original autopsy findings — that they were superficial — than the type of serious, debilitating trauma described by the Zahau family’s lawyer.

The secondary probe in the case also turned up no evidence that Zahau had been sexually assaulted — an attack that, according to a theory presented by the plaintiffs at the civil trial, involved the victim’s being violated by the handle of a steak knife.

The review reached an unavoidable conclusion, according to Williams — that “the initial investigation was handled properly.”

There’s many theories out there, but all of the evidence points to one logical conclusion, and that’s a suicide,” he said.


https://timesofsandiego.com/crime/2...rms-suicide-as-cause-of-rebecca-zahaus-death/

 

[Tortoise]

Statements made today by @SDSheriff Gore confirm initial death investigation, evidence collected were directed to conclude suicide. Justice delayed is justice denied. Dave Myers (@MyersSD30) | Twitter

Thank you Dave for sticking with the Zahau family and their battle to get justice for Rebecca. Keith Greer (@GreerLawyer) | Twitter

Incompetence or corruption? Keith Greer (@GreerLawyer) | Twitter

 

[Lilibet]

Best part of the news conference is the reporter questions -- it's worth listening to.

Thanks! Will do.

 

[Jessica2012]

This is 100% correct. If Dave Myers had been elected the outcome of the “review” with an independent PD team would most likely be homicide, just as a jury of Shacknai’s peers concluded. IMO

Yes, you are right, he would have found it to be homicide. Why? Because he made up his mimd it was murder before even knowing the evidence, like much of the public. Remember, he is was not a detective. He oversaw the jails, IIRC.

So glad the people of San Diego stuck with Gore. They know he is impartial and has very professional detectives in the department. Those professionals have found Rebecca Zahau killed herself twice now.

IMO.

 

[Mica]

Yes, you are right, he would have found it to be homicide. Why? Because he made up his mimd it was murder before even knowing the evidence, like much of the public. Remember, he is was not a detective. He oversaw the jails, IIRC.

So glad the people of San Diego stuck with Gore. They know he is impartial and has very professional detectives in the department. Those professionals have found Rebecca Zahau killed herself twice now.

IMO.

Dave made up his mind after the civil trial just like the jurors who heard the evidence.

Sheriff Gore and his “team” don’t impress me. Think the McStay case. Patrick McStay would agree.

 

[ilovewings]

i will never ever believe this was suicide

 

[Jessica2012]

Dave made up his mind after the civil trial just like the jurors who heard the evidence.

Sheriff Gore and his “team” don’t impress me. Think the McStay case. Patrick McStay would agree.

How do you know that Dave Myers made up his mind after the trial? Do you have a link? As I recall, he was saying it was murder long before that.

Some people with no forensic investigation understanding like Dave Myers and the Civil case jury simply don’t seem to understand DNA and fingerprints. I bet Patrick McStay would fall into that category, too. It is a good thing that detectives do understand physical evidence.

As much as people want to believe Rebecca Zahau was murdered, that is not true according to over 10 months of investigation by detectives and crime personnel and her death certificate will forever read “Death by Suicide”.

 

[ilovewings]

How do you know that Dave Myers made up his mind after the trial? Do you have a link? As I recall, he was saying it was murder long before that.

Some people with no forensic investigation understanding like Dave Myers and the Civil case jury simply don’t seem to understand DNA and fingerprints. I bet Patrick McStay would fall into that category, too. It is a good thing that detectives do understand physical evidence.

As much as people want to believe Rebecca Zahau was murdered, that is not true according to over 10 months of investigation by detectives and crime personnel and her death certificate will forever read “Death by Suicide”.

 

[Mica]

How do you know that Dave Myers made up his mind after the trial? Do you have a link? As I recall, he was saying it was murder long before that.

Some people with no forensic investigation understanding like Dave Myers and the Civil case jury simply don’t seem to understand DNA and fingerprints. I bet Patrick McStay would fall into that category, too. It is a good thing that detectives do understand physical evidence.

As much as people want to believe Rebecca Zahau was murdered, that is not true according to over 10 months of investigation by detectives and crime personnel and her death certificate will forever read “Death by Suicide”.

Perhaps the wise Dave Myers made up his mind before the civil trial. Wearing gloves and wiping the crime scene would eliminate a suspect’s dna and fingerprints. One doesn’t need to be LE to figure that out. This was “Death by MURDER” staged as a suicide. As Mr. Greer says, “Incompetence or corruption?”

Patrick McStay is right on. SD investigated the home and concluded no evidence of a crime was found within in the home. No trace of blood or blood spatter, etc. No DNA evidence. No evidence of a fight. Nothing. SD concluded the family voluntarily walked away and crossed the border. Years later the family was found in shallow graves in SB County. SB concluded the family of four was bludgeoned and killed in the home with a sledgehammer to the heads.

So following your train of thought, a lack of dna and fingerprints at a crime scene eliminates the fact that a murder was committed. Not so with the McStay case, according to SB detectives.

 

[Tortoise]

Perhaps the wise Dave Myers made up his mind before the civil trial. Wearing gloves and wiping the crime scene would eliminate a suspect’s dna and fingerprints. One doesn’t need to be LE to figure that out. This was “Death by MURDER” staged as a suicide. As Mr. Greer says, “Incompetence or corruption?”

Patrick McStay is right on. SD investigated the home and concluded no evidence of a crime was found within in the home. No trace of blood or blood spatter, etc. No DNA evidence. No evidence of a fight. Nothing. SD concluded the family voluntarily walked away and crossed the border. Years later the family was found in shallow graves in SB County. SB concluded the family of four was bludgeoned and killed in the home with a sledgehammer to the heads.

So following your train of thought, a lack of dna and fingerprints at a crime scene eliminates the fact that a murder was committed. Not so with the McStay case, according to SB detectives.

Even that bigshot lawyer, his name escapes me he was so unimpressive, didn't convince a jury, despite having the lead detective in court to talk about the evidence. Gore should have had egg on his face but I suppose we didn't notice it because he always has egg on his face.

Jmo.

 

[Jessica2012]

Dave Myers certainly wasn't wise enough for the citizens of San Diego to vote him in as Sheriff. He wasn’t even wise enough for La Mesa to vote him into City Counsel. He is now a two-time loser.

Maybe we should just accuse the closet person in every suicide of murder when there are no one else’s fingerprints or DNA around if that is how it works.

Sounds pretty ridiculous when it’s put that way, doesn’t it?

IMO.

 

[Jessica2012]

Even that bigshot lawyer, his name escapes me he was so unimpressive, didn't convince a jury, despite having the lead detective in court to talk about the evidence. Gore should have had egg on his face but I suppose we didn't notice it because he always has egg on his face.

Jmo.

The big shot lawyer had a very stupid jury that believed a Podiatrist lawyer’s fantasy story and did not even deliberate the evidence. Hopefully, he will have an educated jury should it go back to trial, however, there is a good chance the review Judge will annul the verdict due to Jury Misconduct.

IMO

 

[AzPistonsGirl]

Dave Myers certainly wasn't wise enough for the citizens of San Diego to vote him in as Sheriff. He wasn’t even wise enough for La Mesa to vote him into City Counsel. He is now a two-time loser.

Maybe we should just accuse the closet person in every suicide of murder when there are no one else’s fingerprints or DNA around if that is how it works.

Sounds pretty ridiculous when it’s put that way, doesn’t it?

IMO.

BBM - Even I, who has not chimed in once in this thread, knows that (the BBM above) is not even remotely the same here... and regardless of which horse is yours in this race, that overgeneralized analogy is just disgusting.

 

[Mica]

Dave Myers certainly wasn't wise enough for the citizens of San Diego to vote him in as Sheriff. He wasn’t even wise enough for La Mesa to vote him into City Counsel. He is now a two-time loser.

Maybe we should just accuse the closet person in every suicide of murder when there are no one else’s fingerprints or DNA around if that is how it works.

Sounds pretty ridiculous when it’s put that way, doesn’t it?

IMO.

Ridiculous is believing a murderer is not complicit simply because his dna and fingerprints were not found at the scene. Isn’t this what SD concluded?

IMO, this was a well designed investigation from the start to exonerate a murderer. Thank goodness the intelligent and open-minded jurors in the civil case saw it for the sham that it was.


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Gore said, "There’s just no physical evidence or eyewitness evidence to tie Adam Shacknai to this murder. There’s no DNA, there’s no fingerprints," he said. "It’s interesting the attorney Mr. Greer managed to turn that into a theory that the crime scene had been wiped clean which is really difficult to do in this scientific age we live in."

Greer said that was "the most significant part.”

"If you look at things associated with the crime, not even Rebecca's DNA or prints are on them," he said.

SDSO: Zahau's Official Cause of Death Remains Suicide