Rebecca Zahau Wrongful death trial begins. Trial coverage and discussion #4

[justice be served]

Here is the reenactment video, and the article which states that the girl was the same height as Rebecca:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15928565/news-8-reenacts-the-coronado-mansion-mystery

Can you supply a link that shows where on either Dr. Lucas’s autopsy report or Dr. Wecht’s it states that Rebecca’s nipple was pinched?

I am also still waiting for a link that shows Adam could see from the guest house window where Rebecca was hanging.

TIA.

I did not post about Adam seeing from the guest house but I don't doubt that he peeked behind the curtains while he was masturbating (if there were curtains) while witnessing his handiwork IMO.

I do not have a link about the pinched nipples but I believe it was in the opening by Greer.

 

[justice be served]

It is plausible. Can you say that could never happen? But my best GUESS is that it came from the door as she was painting. It makes the most sense to me. We can agree to disagree.

Reaching up to paint makes the door painting at least two feet above her breasts as far as I can tell. There is also no smearing of the door message that I can see in the photos. Only thing that is apparent is that the first letter with its scratchy paint residue indicates it was not done with a brush. That part is obvious. JMO

 

[Jessica2012]

Okay, so the quotes are messed up so I will do it this way instead.

Jessica: Mary and Snowem were no where near Rebecca. She was Jonah’s girlfriend for 2 years. IMO, he knew more about her than they did, and certainly more about how she was in those 40-something hours after Max’s accident.

Why did they lie about not meeting with LE?

My response: BBM. So the last person in the world that Rebecca communicated with before she died (murdered IMO), her sister Mary, cannot be relied upon as valid evidence as to her state of mind? Well, that is ridiculous.

And the second part, what is your link to say that the Zahau family liedn about meeting with LE? Where did that come from FGS?

Did Mary see Rebeca face to face? How did Mary know if Rebecca was shaking? Crying, but holding it back so Mary would not hear? She wouldn’t. IMO.

I already posted the images of meetings that happened with Tsuida the Sunday after Rebecca’s death. Your link said they did not meet or talk with the Zahau sisters until 2 days before the Press Conference, 9/3/2011.

I posted proof. Both things cannot be true.

 

[MyBelle]

It is plausible. Can you say that could never happen? But my best GUESS is that it came from the door as she was painting. It makes the most sense to me. We can agree to disagree.

To me, the cryptic message obviously was a personal message to JS, perhaps hoping he would come home, find her and wanted his brother to witness it. She got paint all over her hands. AS had no reason to write such a message nor did he get any paint on his hands.

 

[minorone]

I did not post about Adam seeing from the guest house but I don't doubt that he peeked behind the curtains while he was masturbating (if there were curtains) while witnessing his handiwork IMO.

I do not have a link about the pinched nipples but I believe it was in the opening by Greer.

From the AR:
“There were black marks, apparently paint on the left breast and on the right nipple.“

 

[Lilibet]

To me, the cryptic message obviously was a personal message to JS, perhaps hoping he would come home, find her and wanted his brother to witness it. She got paint all over her hands. AS had no reason to write such a message nor did he get any paint on his hands.

BBM

If it was acrylic paint it washes off. He says he took a shower (or two).

The message obviously had some kind of meaning. There are various possible interpretations and the message certainly is confusing and distracting. Maybe that alone was the reason AS painted it. A red herring. Or maybe he was impaired by the ambien.

 

[Jessica2012]

Masturbating to any kind of porn while observing a woman hanging dead from a balcony is still pretty cruel. Adam's guest room looked right out onto the area where RZ was hanging. It would have been clearly visible to him.

My apologies to justicebeserved, I attributed this post to him/her.

Betty P, can you supply a link that proves the area under the balcony was “clearly visible” from Adam’s guest room, and there were no window treatments like closed curtains?

Second request. TIA

 

[Jessica2012]

From the AR:
“There were black marks, apparently paint on the left breast and on the right nipple.“

The black marks were found to be paint. It does not say there were “pinch marks” of any kind, anywhere that I am aware of. Can you post a link if either Lucas’ or Wecht’s autopsy repost states such? Thanks.

 

[Lezah]

Just wanted to say, it’s really very encouraging for me to read the many comments agreeing with the hypothesis as to AS being the likely painter of the message. Especially from others also experienced with artist materials and also those posters who I am familiar with who concentrate only on valid, credible arguments.

(Also, the positive feedback relating to my post highlighting that the jury can readily find AS liable based on purely circumstantial evidence if they choose to do so)

There are a number of posters here who really do ‘shine’ in their amazing, in depth knowledge of the case and it’s a continuing privilege to read your posts and theories.

My thoughts are with Mr Greer and the Zahau family tonight.

Signing off for the evening and wishing you all a very, very Happy Easter.






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[Jessica2012]

BBM

If it was acrylic paint it washes off. He says he took a shower (or two).

The message obviously had some kind of meaning. There are various possible interpretations and the message certainly is confusing and distracting. Maybe that alone was the reason AS painted it. A red herring. Or maybe he was impaired by the ambien.

Adam taking Ambian that night is not a component of the Civil case.

 

[Lilibet]

Adam taking Ambian that night is not a component of the Civil case.

It was a joke. You missed the smiley face signal?

 

[questfortrue]

Just wanted to say, it’s really very encouraging for me to read the many comments agreeing with the hypothesis as to AS being the likely painter of the message. Especially from others also experienced with artist materials and also those posters who I am familiar with who concentrate only on valid, credible arguments.

(Also, the positive feedback relating to my post highlighting that the jury can readily find AS liable based on purely circumstantial evidence if they choose to do so)

There are a number of posters here who really do ‘shine’ in their amazing, in depth knowledge of the case and it’s a continuing privilege to read your posts and theories.

My thoughts are with Mr Greer and the Zahau family tonight.

Signing off for the evening and wishing you all a very, very Happy Easter.

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Though I am a newcomer to this forum, I can’t express how impressed I’ve been with the many reasoned posts. I also thank you, Lezah, for all of your work during the trial which has given guidance of the proceedings.. My final thoughts before signing off and wishing all a Happy Easter -

I do not expect anyone else to agree with me on my evaluation of the cryptic note, but I interpreted the painted message as delivered in an arrogant tone or a sarcastic voice. Yes, I believe that AS was the author of the door note. And, like Tortoise, I also thought perhaps he was high. Just an opinion.

SHE SAVED HIM (No she didn’t really)
CAN YOU SAVE HER (No you can’t)

My impression of AS in Court, his demeanor, was of someone both quirky and somewhat cocky. I’ve been reminded recently that he has lived his whole life in the shadow of his older brother, and I’ll let others consider how that may have affected his choices on the 13[SUP]th[/SUP].

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[Lilibet]

Though I am a newcomer to this forum, I can&#8217;t express how impressed I&#8217;ve been with the many reasoned posts. I also thank you, Lezah, for all of your work during the trial which has given guidance of the proceedings.. My final thoughts before signing off and wishing all a Happy Easter -

I do not expect anyone else to agree with me on my evaluation of the cryptic note, but I interpreted the painted message as delivered in an arrogant tone or a sarcastic voice. Yes, I believe that AS was the author of the door note. And, like Tortoise, I also thought perhaps he was high. Just an opinion.

SHE SAVED HIM (No she didn&#8217;t really)
CAN YOU SAVE HER (No you can&#8217;t)

My impression of AS in Court, his demeanor, was of someone both quirky and somewhat cocky. I&#8217;ve been reminded recently that he has lived his whole life in the shadow of his older brother, and I&#8217;ll let others consider how that may have affected his choices on the 13[SUP]th[/SUP].

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I think you may be right about the family dynamics and the tone of the message. It&#8217;s certainly possible for there to be resentment by one sibling toward the more successful one, starting with Cain and Abel. The brother of a friend of ours was like that. It was ugly.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

If it was acrylic paint it washes off. He says he took a shower (or two).

The message obviously had some kind of meaning. There are various possible interpretations and the message certainly is confusing and distracting. Maybe that alone was the reason AS painted it. A red herring. Or maybe he was impaired by the ambien.

Or just maybe he didn't paint it at all. There certainly was no evidence at trial that AS painted it.

 

[Verboten]

As mentioned, that was Lezah’s personal analysis posted on a previous thread.

And, it is clearly evident that no brush was used for that letter when you compare to the rest. My opinion is that Lezah's analysis is spot on.

 

[Verboten]

Though I am a newcomer to this forum, I can&#8217;t express how impressed I&#8217;ve been with the many reasoned posts. I also thank you, Lezah, for all of your work during the trial which has given guidance of the proceedings.. My final thoughts before signing off and wishing all a Happy Easter -

I do not expect anyone else to agree with me on my evaluation of the cryptic note, but I interpreted the painted message as delivered in an arrogant tone or a sarcastic voice. Yes, I believe that AS was the author of the door note. And, like Tortoise, I also thought perhaps he was high. Just an opinion.

SHE SAVED HIM (No she didn&#8217;t really)
CAN YOU SAVE HER (No you can&#8217;t)

My impression of AS in Court, his demeanor, was of someone both quirky and somewhat cocky. I&#8217;ve been reminded recently that he has lived his whole life in the shadow of his older brother, and I&#8217;ll let others consider how that may have affected his choices on the 13[SUP]th[/SUP].

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I have always thought that message to be sarcastic, exactly as you've described. That is my interpretation. MOO

 

[Verboten]

I am hoping the jury will consider these factors...

The complete &#8216;overkill&#8217; scenario of an elaborately hand and foot bound, gagged body as a suggested suicide

The medical evidence of one of the worlds most renowned forensic pathologists of blunt force trauma and strangulation indicated in the cause of death

The known emotional stressors in the last interactions between RZ and AS

AS being the last known person to see RZ alive

RZ&#8217;s body being discovered by AS

AS unfettered and private access to RZ during her last hours of life

AS having reason to be upset with RZ ( the serious and life threatening injury to his nephew whilst in her care)

AS unfettered and private access to the scene of death

The complete lack of DNA and fingerprint evidence in numerous expected situations

The lack of alibi for AS

The vehement denial of knot tying ability by a professional tugboat captain who has passed proficiently examinations in knot tying

The inconsistencies in the 911 call and AS course of action

The discrepancies between AS depositions and testimony ...

These are all credible, powerful situational and relational elements worthy of important consideration.



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Agree, Lezah! Hope Greer brings it home tomorrow, putting this all together, most particularly the many major discrepancies between Adam's polygraph, 911 call, what he reported to police that morning (per probable cause and investigative report in the AR), his deposition and his testimony. And, adding additionally the rigor and lividity issues.

Thank you, Lezah, for your dedication, hard work, brilliant thinking, and "court reporting." You are a treasure. <3

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Again, no pinch marks noted in the autopsy or detective reports.

The defense’s team proved that the door was not too high for Rebecca, and painting it any lower would cause it to not be painted on the wide panel. She would have had to go to the lower wide panel, which would have been too low. The girl in the News8 reeinactment was shorter than Rebecca and had no problem painting at that height.

Unlike many on the murder side, I do not pretend to know how everything happened. There were many different ways she could have gotten paint on her nipple. Paint was on her hand and fingers, perhaps she brushed it accidentally. There are many possibilities.

I'm a middle aged woman and I have a hard time remembering any instances in which I brushed my own nipple accidentally.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

It is plausible. Can you say that could never happen? But my best GUESS is that it came from the door as she was painting. It makes the most sense to me. We can agree to disagree.

I watched my mom paint our house indoor and out, time after time, and she never once got paint on her chest area that would have been on her nipples if they hadn't been covered. She would have had to press herself up against the wet wall of paint to do so.

 

[Jessica2012]

I'm a middle aged woman and I have a hard time remembering any instances in which I brushed my own nipple accidentally.

I am a middle-aged woman as well, and I can assure you, it is possible. Maybe you should try it some time. :hilarious: