Rebecca's cell phone records

[CDS22]

Woops, forgot this part. I thought it was your contention that it was Jonah's phone?

I've not weighed in on JS's phone ownership, but my point is that if they have RZ's phone they can determine what messages did and did not come. I'm sure they also verified that JS made the call from either the hospital phone or his own cell phone. JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

Agreed. I like to think LE looked at all the records. I will go so far as to say I'm curious too what the records show. I only have issue with someone being asked to turn their property over to another party who may or may not want to accuse them of murder in the near future. I make that a personal policy as well (this is attempting humor) . Again, we get to the part of whos personal property it is, and we've been over that . . .

I would also like to believe that all records have been looked at. I still stand on previous statements that I have made. Think of Mr. Klass, Mr. Walsh and others. They knew they were innocent. It didn't take court orders or mandates for them to turn over any or all information so that justice could be served. So that time was spent on finding the guilty parties, instead of focusing on them.

Look at the Ramseys, and their behaviors after JonBenet died. They hired a huge slew of lawyers, a PR firm and private investigators, who's job it was to build a defense in case JOHN went to court on charges.

Am I insinuating that Jonah is guilty, in any way, shape or form, no. If I were Jonah, I would be begging LE to clear me!!! 100%! As long as there was any suspicion toward me, from the Zahau family, or the public, I would do anything it took, to let people KNOW I wasn't involved, in any way.

I would be helping the Zahau family get to the truth. Open up my phone records, provide ticket stubs or boarding passes or itinerary information from the airlines if my children flew out that morning at 6 am. I would address their concerns and let them understand that I felt I knew the truth, but wanted to make sure they can get to a point of feeling confident with the evidence and the findings of LE.

They are asking for the truth and Jonah has a chance to help them find the truth and therefore peace.

 

[Brit]

I would also like to believe that all records have been looked at. I still stand on previous statements that I have made. Think of Mr. Klass, Mr. Walsh and others. They knew they were innocent. It didn't take court orders or mandates for them to turn over any or all information so that justice could be served. So that time was spent on finding the guilty parties, instead of focusing on them.

Look at the Ramseys, and their behaviors after JonBenet died. They hired a huge slew of lawyers, a PR firm and private investigators, who's job it was to build a defense in case JOHN went to court on charges.

Am I insinuating that Jonah is guilty, in any way, shape or form, no. If I were Jonah, I would be begging LE to clear me!!! 100%! As long as there was any suspicion toward me, from the Zahau family, or the public, I would do anything it took, to let people KNOW I wasn't involved, in any way.

I would be helping the Zahau family get to the truth. Open up my phone records, provide ticket stubs or boarding passes or itinerary information from the airlines if my children flew out that morning at 6 am. I would address their concerns and let them understand that I felt I knew the truth, but wanted to make sure they can get to a point of feeling confident with the evidence and the findings of LE.

They are asking for the truth and Jonah has a chance to help them find the truth and therefore peace.

:applause:

 

[SunnieRN]

Why does the brother have to give a public statement to the media? He owes them nothing. He is grieving his nephew's death, and has been cooperative with the authorities and passed a lie detector test.

As far as a PI goes, I would hope they begin searching for this at the beginning - in other words, little Max's death. There are many things that need to be answered about the child's death.

I am curious about the lie detector test. When did he take it? Who administered the test? What questions were asked? As for a public statement, no one in the family seems to be making any of those.

A PI is appropriate. I just wonder if it is Max's death, Rebecca's death, or damage control, as an agenda.

 

[sorrell skye]

I've said it before but I'll say it again. There are things that others know that the general public don't know. Sometimes I think it would have been better had LE not given the info they did. Just because we don't have all the facts, doesn't make it murder or even a cover up. I do agree however that LE underestimated the curiosity and naiveté of the public.

Also, and I really am asking this question out of curiosity, is it possible that JS did not place a call, he just sent a voicemail directly. The option 8 Thimbu on a message will let you just reply. I do this all the time.

bbm

1. I disagree that it would have been better had LE not given the info they did. Information is a good thing - and if a suspicious death investigation is "ironclad", then the release of information will only strengthen the foundation upon which the conclusions of that investigation are based.

2. While I don't take the suggestion of the naivete of the public personally, I feel that I must respond to it (since I'm a member of the public lol). My opinions on this forum are based on my education, experience, and plain ol' common sense. I don't consider myself to be naive about the things on which I post. If I lack knowledge on a subject, I either refrain from commenting (and leave it to those with knowledge on a subject to comment) or I make an effort to educate myself so that I can at the very least have a minimal understanding of the subject at hand.

Over the years I've learned that when a situation doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense for a reason. Oftentimes, the reason may be due to a lack of information that could help to explain the situation. Other times, it's due to the fact that the truth hasn't been discovered or has been purposefully withheld, for whatever reason.

In my work, I deal with this issue with clients on a daily basis, and it's my job to assist my clients in discovering the origin(s) of their injuries (so that we can develop an injury-prevention TX plan), and to assist them in identifying the physical & psychological obstacles that interfere with the achievement of their goals. Because of my work, I've learned how to ferret out information & to pay attention to details that may be overlooked. I've also learned that one of the most important skills to cultivate (aside from listening - to not only what is said, but also to what is not said) is the ability to ask questions until the answers to those questions are discovered.

Information is a good thing.

Asking questions is a good thing.

 

[thinkingstraight]

I agree that the z family gets to the bottom of it if they feel they truly have questions. But I disagree with the manner in which they are going about it. I am also skeptical of their true motive. Jonah does have a chance to help them and I bet he's helped them a lot before. I imagine he might have had a change of heart with the recent public statements by the Z sister and her lawyer.

Also as a side note, is it me or do I sense a hostile tone when a conflicting opinion is stated ? I don't get angry at your side for seeing it as murder. It's understandable IMO. I wish a little more care could be shown in return.
IMO

 

[CDS22]

If he is/was grieving so much...why did he leave right before the memorial service? Why was he not at his brother's side at the hospital all night? Why would he be concerned about owing nothing? One would think that he would be entirely unafraid to speak out regarding his activities on the night this woman died. Why did he feel the need to retain an attorney right away? I would think an innocent man of character would feel that he owed the family of Rebecca some answers about her last moments on earth. Maybe that's just how we roll around here...but we do not go hiring attorney's, PR machines and PI's and going poof on people who need answers after a loved one's death. He found her...he cut her down...he could answer the family's questions. Common decency and all that.

As for the PI...we have yet to see or hear that he is doing anything regarding either event. I am waiting Mr. Shacknai.

I don't know when AS left, or if he attended a memorial service. I've not seen anything about that.

I will say that when my friend's little girl died from leukemia, her father (my friend's father, the child's grandfather) was so overcome with grief, he could not attend the funeral service.

I have no clue why AS would "owe" RZ's family anything about RZ's last moments, since he only found her hanging, and she had died hours ago. The police say that they have "sat down" with the family and answered their questions extensively, but that the family isn't satisfied. If the family won't listen to the cops, I doubt they'll listen to AS.

RZ's death complicated a lot of things. It could have meant (opinion alert! opinion alert!) that the donor surgeries for three other little children were delayed because they had to delay taking MS off life support while JS dealt with the RZ drama. Can you imagine having to leave your dying son's bedside to deal with this? Can you imagine the trauma added to AS on top of knowing he was about to lose his nephew? He's going to have to live with the horror of finding RZ the rest of his life.

So I think that JS and AS have already paid their dues when it comes to RZ. What more can they do? They can't bring her back from the dead any more than they can bring little Max back.

 

[MyBelle]

I am doubly sure that Mr Shacknai is not as innocent as he would like his PR firm to present him to be. No one is all or nothing. There are major questions about this relationship, the history, the sons accudent, his ex-wife and her behavior, his ex-wife's sister and her call and whereabouts, his brother and his whereabouts...BTW - wonder why it was so necessary to hire a well connected attorney for the brother and then have him do a vanishing act on all media. What could there be to hide...or spin by the PR team. What does the PI have to do? Is he looking into the events that occurred the night Rebecca died? The events that occurred the day of the sons incident? Valid questions begging answers. Mr. Shacknai...we are waiting.

It isn't Mr. Shacknai's PR firm that has portrayed him as innocent, it is LE who have publicly proclaimed no crime has been committed. I don't agree that he owes the public anything at this point or that the innuendo being slinged his way is valid or fair.

JMO

 

[thinkingstraight]

Did you see where I corrected my statement about public naïveté. I actually agree with you

bbm

1. I disagree that it would have been better had LE not given the info they did. Information is a good thing - and if a suspicious death investigation is "ironclad", then the release of information will only strengthen the foundation upon which the conclusions of that investigation are based.

2. While I don't take the suggestion of the naivete of the public personally, I feel that I must respond to it (since I'm a member of the public lol). My opinions on this forum are based on my education, experience, and plain ol' common sense. I don't consider myself to be naive about the things on which I post. If I lack knowledge on a subject, I either refrain from commenting (and leave it to those with knowledge on a subject to comment) or I make an effort to educate myself so that I can at the very least have a minimal understanding of the subject at hand.

Over the years I've learned that when a situation doesn't make sense, it doesn't make sense for a reason. Oftentimes, the reason may be due to a lack of information that could help to explain the situation. Other times, it's due to the fact that the truth hasn't been discovered or has been purposefully withheld, for whatever reason.

In my work, I deal with this issue with clients on a daily basis, and it's my job to assist my clients in discovering the origin(s) of their injuries (so that we can develop an injury-prevention TX plan), and to assist them in identifying the physical & psychological obstacles that interfere with the achievement of their goals. Because of my work, I've learned how to ferret out information & to pay attention to details that may be overlooked. I've also learned that one of the most important skills to cultivate (aside from listening - to not only what is said, but also to what is not said) is the ability to ask questions until the answers to those questions are discovered.

Information is a good thing.

Asking questions is a good thing.

 

[thinkingstraight]

If he is/was grieving so much...why did he leave right before the memorial service? Why was he not at his brother's side at the hospital all night? Why would he be concerned about owing nothing? One would think that he would be entirely unafraid to speak out regarding his activities on the night this woman died. Why did he feel the need to retain an attorney right away? I would think an innocent man of character would feel that he owed the family of Rebecca some answers about her last moments on earth. Maybe that's just how we roll around here...but we do not go hiring attorney's, PR machines and PI's and going poof on people who need answers after a loved one's death. He found her...he cut her down...he could answer the family's questions. Common decency and all that.

As for the PI...we have yet to see or hear that he is doing anything regarding either event. I am waiting Mr. Shacknai.

For one thing, you have no right to judge if or how he is mourning. And I'm pretty sure your off on some of those facts. He owes nobody anything. Do you know how the Z family feels about the brother? Do you know he didn't give them any answers. I need links please.

 

[SunnieRN]

I agree that the z family gets to the bottom of it if they feel they truly have questions. But I disagree with the manner in which they are going about it. I am also skeptical of their true motive. Jonah does have a chance to help them and I bet he's helped them a lot before. I imagine he might have had a change of heart with the recent public statements by the Z sister and her lawyer.

Also as a side note, is it me or do I sense a hostile tone when a conflicting opinion is stated ? I don't get angry at your side for seeing it as murder. It's understandable IMO. I wish a little more care could be shown in return.
IMO

You are correct and I agree. There are a lot of hostile responses/tones floating around. Possibly addressing posters as 'your side' perpetuates the problem. Then again, it may have nothing to do with it.

 

[MyBelle]

I would also like to believe that all records have been looked at. I still stand on previous statements that I have made. Think of Mr. Klass, Mr. Walsh and others. They knew they were innocent. It didn't take court orders or mandates for them to turn over any or all information so that justice could be served. So that time was spent on finding the guilty parties, instead of focusing on them.

Look at the Ramseys, and their behaviors after JonBenet died. They hired a huge slew of lawyers, a PR firm and private investigators, who's job it was to build a defense in case JOHN went to court on charges.

Am I insinuating that Jonah is guilty, in any way, shape or form, no. If I were Jonah, I would be begging LE to clear me!!! 100%! As long as there was any suspicion toward me, from the Zahau family, or the public, I would do anything it took, to let people KNOW I wasn't involved, in any way.

I would be helping the Zahau family get to the truth. Open up my phone records, provide ticket stubs or boarding passes or itinerary information from the airlines if my children flew out that morning at 6 am. I would address their concerns and let them understand that I felt I knew the truth, but wanted to make sure they can get to a point of feeling confident with the evidence and the findings of LE.

They are asking for the truth and Jonah has a chance to help them find the truth and therefore peace.

With all due respect, you are comparing Jonah Shacknai to parents of crime victims. There has been no crime declared by LE in this case so there is no reason for LE to "clear" him. LE have said JS cooperated fully. What more does RN's family expect him to do? The investigative files belong to LE, not JS and JS has already agreed with LE findings. If RN's family wanted his help, they probably should have sought it before going on tv and lobbing innuendos about his children being present.

JMO

 

[thinkingstraight]

You are correct and I agree. There are a lot of hostile responses/tones floating around. Possibly addressing posters as 'your side' perpetuates the problem. Then again, it may have nothing to do with it.

Well I actually had "murder camp" instead of" your side" but I thought that would offend. There are two questions, killed by own hand or killed by other. Correct? That's what I meant by "side" but I had hoped you would understand that portion of the post at least. It seems I cannot say one thing right today.

 

[MyBelle]

Then it is even more crucial to see Jonah's phone records. Agreed?

If those records are so crucial, they should ask a Judge to order them turned over.

JMO

 

[Morag]

With all due respect, you are comparing Jonah Shacknai to parents of crime victims. There has been no crime declared by LE in this case so there is no reason for LE to "clear" him. LE have said JS cooperated fully. What more does RN's family expect him to do? The investigative files belong to LE, not JS and JS has already agreed with LE findings. If RN's family wanted his help, they probably should have sought it before going on tv and lobbing innuendos about his children being present. JMO

BBM
Where did the Zahau family insinuate that his other children were present when Max's accident occurred? I have not read that, and a link would be appreciated.

 

[thinkingstraight]

BBM
Where did the Zahau family insinuate that his other children were present when Max's accident occurred? I have not read that, and a link would be appreciated.

This just goes around and around and around . . .

 

[SophieRose]

BBM
Where did the Zahau family insinuate that his other children were present when Max's accident occurred? I have not read that, and a link would be appreciated.

Their attorney Bremner said it and she must have gotten her information from somewhere. Very bottom of article.

http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=news-press&sParam=50233234.story

 

[Morag]

This just goes around and around and around . . .

I was asking the other poster for the information which she/he had alluded to. I have not read, nor memorized, every word which has been spoken by every person who is involved, even peripherally, in this case. If the Zahaus have said that the other Shacknai children were there, I would be interested in seeing the exact quote.

 

[imamaze]

Just got on here a bit ago, haven't had a chance to go through everything yet. Has TOS been changed about talking about the family as if they are suspects in something? If not Knock it off, you all know better!

Ima

 

[Morag]

Their attorney Bremner said it and she must have gotten her information from somewhere. Very bottom of article.

http://content.usatoday.com/dist/custom/gci/InsidePage.aspx?cId=news-press&sParam=50233234.story

Thank you. That is what I have wondered about myself. Everyone on the board should be interested in seeing proof positive about this, regardless of what it is. Someone has not told the truth about it, at any rate.