Rebecca's cell phone records

[MyBelle]

Katy, I am not trying to be rude, in any way, but both of these posts were made by you on the last page of this thread. I can understand, if JS was feeling all of the feelings and emotions you spoke of in your first post.

If he spoke to someone who helped him realize the truth, I do not see him being the kind of man, to leave a short message. I think from the controlling methods we have heard of him using, it would make him want to control this situation also.

If he left a message, telling her to leave, get out, etc., I believe that would have been a very long, humiliating and hurtful message.



Especially since Rebecca didn't have a recent missed call at 12:50 am from JS phone.

I don't believe any parent would be spending the last hours of their child's life leaving lengthy voice messages for anybody. We can only speculate as to the content of an erased message. Unless LE reopens the case, it will remain a private communication of which only the person who made it knows the content.

JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

They can get texts and cell records of incoming/outgoing calls. But voicemails are problematic because they are not typed into the cells, like texts, or recorded, like the calls are for billing purposes. Voice mails are recorded and can be easliy erased with no record.

But somewhere there is a record of the number that called that went to voicemail...I know that for a fact. It was many years ago and I had to get copies of my cellphone records and if I remember correctly even if it went to voicemail the number that attempted to call was listed.

 

[MyBelle]

It was the popping out of the neck from the spinal cord, which blocked his breathing for 25 minutes, that was the most crucial injury, imo. I think they knew from very early on that there was no way to repair that damage. And it greatly contributed to his brain damage.

I am sure they still held on to a sliver of hope, but his injuries were very severe. I think the evidence of severe brain damage was there from the start, since he had gone 25 minutes without breathing.

His breathing was not blocked for 25 minutes. If it had been, his heart would have never been restarted. EMT's breathed for him so that oxygenated blood was circulating through his heart while they were trying to get it restarted.

Doctors can not see inside traumatic brain injuries right away to determine the extent. Gabby Gifford's prognosis was unknown for many days.

JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

I don't believe any parent would be spending the last hours of their child's life leaving lengthy voice messages for anybody. We can only speculate as to the content of an erased message. Unless LE reopens the case, it will remain a private communication of which only the person who made it knows the content.

JMO

Well whoever listened to the voice message was on the line for 2 min.

 

[defense101]

Whatever the message said, it was many hours prior to the time of death so it really can't be tied to it with any more significance than being the final straw of a nightmare that had been unfolding over a period of several days.

JMO

We only have what Jonah claims the message was, what if it was to the tune of get your curse curse out of my house now cause I'll kill you if I find you there?

 

[SunnieRN]

Pach



This is what I was thanking arielilane about. There is no record of JS leaving a message on RZ's cell that I can see. It is my understanding that even if one doesn't answer the call would be recorded somewhere.

And once again I say this...Someone listened to a message at 12:51 but for the life of me I cannot convince myself to think it was Rebecca!

I agree with you Tiredblondy!

 

[defense101]

His breathing was not blocked for 25 minutes. If it had been, his heart would have never been restarted. EMT's breathed for him so that oxygenated blood was circulating through his heart while they were trying to get it restarted.

Doctors can not see inside traumatic brain injuries right away to determine the extent. Gabby Gifford's prognosis was unknown for many days.

JMO

from the autopsy report page 2

Upon paramedic’s arrival, CPR was continued, and cardiotonic medications were administered. During a second round of epinephrine, he had spontaneous return of circulation. The estimated duration of CPR was 25-30 minutes. He was transported via ambulance to Sharp Coronado Hospital. A head CT demonstrated cerebral edema, ‘rotational artifact’, and a possible C5 abnormality. He had nonreactive pupils upon admission and decorticated posturing. He was transferred to Rady Children’s Hospital

 

[MyBelle]

Now we are on to a much touchier subject. The ME estimated the time of Rebecca's death, based on rigor mortis.

First off, AS states he cut Rebecca down at 6:30 am. Looking at the reports, ems told fire and rescue, that Rebecca had rigor mortis in her jaw. We know she had it in her legs also

The ME arrived on scene 13 hours after this. 13 hours after Rebecca had been on the grass, out in the weather.

Looking at livor and rigor mortis, there is quite a large window of time in which Rebecca could have actually died. Without a witness an exact time of death can not be determined.

For example, if Rebecca died during the loud music heard by the neighbors, she died between 1 and 1:30.

JS stated he called and left a message at 12:30 (?) or 12:50(?). If she died, that was not enough time to become despondent, find supplies, plan and carry out a suicide.

I haven't heard JS state anything publicly. I doubt he ever provides the public with details about any calls he made to RN or anybody else. I doubt LE will reopen the case based on an erased voice message. I don't see that it has any evidentiary value at all in determining homicide.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

I don't believe any parent would be spending the last hours of their child's life leaving lengthy voice messages for anybody. We can only speculate as to the content of an erased message. Unless LE reopens the case, it will remain a private communication of which only the person who made it knows the content.

JMO

I think if the scenario that Katydid presented came to pass, that all of the emotions, anger, grief, would have surfaced with him calling someone he had shared his life with for two years. I think it would have been one very hard and heart wrenching phone call. I don't think it would be possible to sum up all of your feelings within 2 minutes.

 

[tiredblondy]

Doctors can not see inside traumatic brain injuries right away to determine the extent. Gabby Gifford's prognosis was unknown for many days.

JMO

If one reads up on the Autonomic nervous system, pons and brainstem and reads the ME's report it is clear what area was damaged. It's like a train station that all the trains go through. Ihe train station is destroyed there is no more train terminal The pons helps control heartbeat and breathing. If it is damaged the heart and breathing stops automatically. If that area is damaged the only way the heart and breathing can be started and continued would be through artificial means.

Gabby Giffords brain trauma was not even in the same area and in no way was similiar.Those of us who have experience and have been trained in neuroanatomy really do understand the extent of the damage and the body systems that were affected. We have tried to explain over and over again to no avail. There must be a reason.

 

[MyBelle]

We only have what Jonah claims the message was, what if it was to the tune of get your curse curse out of my house now cause I'll kill you if I find you there?

What if, indeed? I have no idea what was said. Our speculation isn't actual evidence. There is no evidence JS left his son's side and went to the residence to actually kill her, no evidence JS was on that balcony. No evidence JS had a hit man on retainer just waiting for his command.

JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

I haven't heard JS state anything publicly. I doubt he ever provides the public with details about any calls he made to RN or anybody else. I doubt LE will reopen the case based on an erased voice message. I don't see that it has any evidentiary value at all in determining homicide.

JMO

:waitasec::waitasec::waitasec:

 

[MyBelle]

If one reads up on the Autonomic nervous system, pons and brainstem and reads the ME's report it is clear what area was damaged. It's like a train station that all the trains go through. Ihe train station is destroyed there is no more train terminal The pons helps control heartbeat and breathing. If it is damaged the heart and breathing stops automatically. If that area is damaged the only way the heart and breathing can be started and continued would be through artificial means.

Gabby Giffords brain trauma was not even in the same area and in no way was similiar.Those of us who have experience and have been trained in neuroanatomy really do understand the extent of the damage and the body systems that were affected. We have tried to explain over and over again to no avail. There must be a reason.

bbm. The ME report clearly states that EMT's were on scene and provided artificial means.

Brain trauma whether from a bullet or blunt force trauma results in severe swelling. I don't have to be a brain surgeon to understand that doctors can not provide a prognosis until they determine the extent of the injury.

 

[tiredblondy]

from the autopsy report page 2

Upon paramedic’s arrival, CPR was continued, and cardiotonic medications were administered. During a second round of epinephrine, he had spontaneous return of circulation. The estimated duration of CPR was 25-30 minutes. He was transported via ambulance to Sharp Coronado Hospital. A head CT demonstrated cerebral edema, ‘rotational artifact’, and a possible C5 abnormality. He had nonreactive pupils upon admission and decorticated posturing. He was transferred to Rady Children’s Hospital

Just makes me want to cry..knowing what that meant..

 

[MyBelle]

I think if the scenario that Katydid presented came to pass, that all of the emotions, anger, grief, would have surfaced with him calling someone he had shared his life with for two years. I think it would have been one very hard and heart wrenching phone call. I don't think it would be possible to sum up all of your feelings within 2 minutes.

JS shared his son's life for six years. If I was the child's parent, I sure wouldn't be leaving his bedside to make lengthy voice messages.

JMO

 

[tiredblondy]

bbm. The ME report clearly states that EMT's were on scene and provided artificial means.

Brain trauma whether from a bullet or blunt force trauma results in severe swelling. I don't have to be a brain surgeon to understand that doctors can not provide a prognosis until they determine the extent of the injury.

I'm sorry that's not been my experience the doctors I've worked with could provide a prognosis at once if the injury involved certain areas of the brain. Whether they told family that other than "it doesn't look good" was hard for them to do.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Her cell records showed she listened to her voice mail. Not to a "message that was recently left." She maid a call to her voicemail and listened to it for 2 minutes. For all I know there was no messages there at all, it's certainly isn't a very long time to make a call to voice mail.

Or she could have been listening to saved messages or a message left by someone else at another time.

 

[CocoChanel]

LE evidently does think the same way because the ruling is suicide. LE has stated the message was impossible to retrieve. LE also confirmed both of Max's grieving parents' alibis.

JMO

I want to be sure I am following you on this. LE stated the message was imoossible to retrieve. LE confirmed both of Max's grieving parents' alibis. I am with you so far because I believe LE DID say and do those things.

Because of those 2 things, LE ruled suicide? Is that what you intended to state above?

 

[MyBelle]

I'm sorry that's not been my experience the doctors I've worked with could at once if the injury involved certain areas of the brain .

I was referring to making a prognosis for recovery.

From your posting: A head CT demonstrated cerebral edema, ‘rotational artifact’, and a possible C5 abnormality.

bbm. I think it would be impossible for doctors to know right away with certainty the prognosis if there was cerebral edema resulting from blunt force trauma.

JMO

 

[SunnieRN]

JS shared his son's life for six years. If I was the child's parent, I sure wouldn't be leaving his bedside to make lengthy voice messages.

JMO

Yet he did leave to eat, in fact just that night, with Rebecca and Adam.

He also left to go to RMcDH.

He left when Rebecca brought him clean clothes, and when they went to eat on other occasions.

I do believe, that if he had made that type of decision, it would have been hard emotionally to keep it to 2 minutes. I guess this is neither here nor there however, since he told LE he called her phone early that morning, yet there is no call recorded on Rebecca's phone.