Rebecca's cell phone records

[MyBelle]

I want to be sure I am following you on this. LE stated the message was imoossible to retrieve. LE confirmed both of Max's grieving parents' alibis. I am with you so far because I believe LE DID say and do those things.

Because of those 2 things, LE ruled suicide? Is that what you intended to state above?

huh? I didn't state that above. LE didn't remotely suggest it at their news conference.

 

[CocoChanel]

........
------we don't know WHO left the message on RZ's cell phone, or WHOSE phone it came from.

------we don't know WHO checked RZ's voice mail @ 12:50

------we don't know WHO erased the message.

..and yet, at the PC, LE was pushing "this message---- of max's grave turn for the worse--imminent death" as the REASON that rebecca dropped everything and decided to kill herself.

..and they WONDER (??) why the family, and the public finds their PC "lacking!" (at best), and would like many more questions answered.

Very respectfully snipped by me.
THANK YOU LaurieJ for summing it up beautifully!
I'm giving you a standing ovation!

 

[MyBelle]

Yet he did leave to eat, in fact just that night, with Rebecca and Adam.

He also left to go to RMcDH.

He left when Rebecca brought him clean clothes, and when they went to eat on other occasions.

I do believe, that if he had made that type of decision, it would have been hard emotionally to keep it to 2 minutes. I guess this is neither here nor there however, since he told LE he called her phone early that morning, yet there is no call recorded on Rebecca's phone.

I can only guess about the emotions of a man I do not know personally or the length of messages he may have left after being told his son wasn't going to survive. We don't even know if there was a limit to voice message length nor does it matter. It was a private communication that will remain private because LE said it was impossible to retrieve.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Or she could have been listening to saved messages or a message left by someone else at another time.

very true. We'll never know for sure.

jmo

 

[Pach]

I dont know if someone has speculated on the identity of the listener to the voice mail, but heres another possibility:

we know that someone listened to the voicemail around 12:50 AM. what if Rebecca was asleep already during this time(after all it was late in the night), or even worse, was murdered in her sleep during this time(bonked on the head with some hard object, then strangled etc, then afterwards the perpetrator listened to her voicemail then erased the voicemail, painted the message, then, undressed her, tied her up and "staged" the suicide, dropping her off the balcony.

can the available evidence on the LE website "convincingly" contradict the above scenario ? if not, then the LE findings should have been declared "undetermined" since the evidence can point to voluntary suicide, or to "staged" suicide, etc

Pach



This is what I was thanking arielilane about. There is no record of JS leaving a message on RZ's cell that I can see. It is my understanding that even if one doesn't answer the call would be recorded somewhere.

And once again I say this...Someone listened to a message at 12:51 but for the life of me I cannot convince myself to think it was Rebecca!

 

[justice be served]

I dont know if someone has speculated on the identity of the listener to the voice mail, but heres another possibility:

we know that someone listened to the voicemail around 12:30 ? to 1:30 ?. what if Rebecca was asleep already during this time(after all it was late in the night), or even worse, was murdered in her sleep during this time(bonked on the head with some hard object, then strangled etc, then afterwards the perpetrator listened to her voicemail then erased the voicemail, then tied her up and "staged" the suicide, dropping her off the balcony.

I firmly believe that Rebecca was not the one that retrieved that voicemail. The killer made the call to voicemail to match the plan that was hatched. It would have been an easy thing to do - after all, it wasn't even Rebecca's phone or so we are led to believe.

 

[tiredblondy]

OK guys, time for me to go to bed here on the east coast...



I'm tired of :banghead:

It's not about getting the last word is it? or is it? illowfight: LOL


Nite to all my friends..fftobed:

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I agree with you. It is all part of doing a thorough investigation. All areas need to be covered to rule in AND rule out both sides.

In regards to the phone records.....weren't they able to pull up all kinds of old, erased messages in the Casey Anthony trial. If my mind serves me right, there were pages and pages AND PAGES of them.

And with technology today, they can certainly pull up everything we erase on our computer.

If the reasoning really was because their department did not have the software for the newer phones, I suggest they get off their butts and drive to a place that does have the software. That's what my boss would tell me....if I needed to get a job done.

Great post!

 

[tiredblondy]

I firmly believe that Rebecca was not the one that retrieved that voicemail. The killer made the call to voicemail to match the plan that was hatched. It would have been an easy thing to do - after all, it wasn't even Rebecca's phone or so we are led to believe.

oops just got to do this before leaving after reading this...

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Pach]

did Jonah said he made a phone call to Rebecca on the day she died ?(thats after midnight) did he say he actually talked to Rebecca ? because if he did then it contradicts the cell phone records that only show someone accessing Rebeca's voicemail, unless rebecca and Jonah talked on the landline phone.

I firmly believe that Rebecca was not the one that retrieved that voicemail. The killer made the call to voicemail to match the plan that was hatched. It would have been an easy thing to do - after all, it wasn't even Rebecca's phone or so we are led to believe.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

To restate what you have posted(which is very good), did LE already do cellphone or landline phone forensics ? is this mentioned in their report on their website ? or is LE just pushing a "pet theory" that this message is what pushed rebecca over the edge ? and that is assuming she was the one who listened to the message and erased the message(as you have mentioned)

The only thing I've heard them say about cell phone forensics is that they cannot retrieve the alleged message from JS to RZ.

 

[Pach]

all i can say about the LE statement is ---> LOL

The only thing I've heard them say about cell phone forensics is that they cannot retrieve the alleged message from JS to RZ.

 

[SunnieRN]

The only thing I've heard them say about cell phone forensics is that they cannot retrieve the alleged message from JS to RZ.

But they wont confirm that the message was from JS.:innocent:

 

[sorrell skye]

Odd how NR claims her text message to RZ was sent earlier than the time-stamp shows.

Also odd - no record of RZ getting a vm message from JS @ 12:30 that night.

What are the odds of - on the night a woman dies from hanging - that two electronic communications went wonky, especially when there wasn't any problem with any of the other electronic communications on that same phone on that same night?

I ask again - what are the odds?

 

[SunnieRN]

Odd how NR claims her text message to RZ was sent earlier than the time-stamp shows.

Also odd - no record of RZ getting a vm message from JS @ 12:30 that night.

What are the odds of - on the night a woman dies from hanging - that two electronic communications went wonky, especially when there wasn't any problem with any of the other electronic communications on that same phone on that same night?

I ask again - what are the odds?

Sorrell, I think that is the telling item right there. LE based their theory, that Rebecca killed herself because of a voice mail message JS left at 12:30 am, but there was no call registered on Rebecca's phone. JS could clear this up very simply. He could turn over his phone records.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

Yes, i wonder if the final LE report states that they completed exhaustive cellphone and landline phone forensics.

Good question. The ppt they showed the public said nothing about phone forensics, other than what they said they COULD NOT do!

 

[justice be served]

Odd how NR claims her text message to RZ was sent earlier than the time-stamp shows.

Also odd - no record of RZ getting a vm message from JS @ 12:30 that night.

What are the odds of - on the night a woman dies from hanging - that two electronic communications went wonky, especially when there wasn't any problem with any of the other electronic communications on that same phone on that same night?

I ask again - what are the odds?

:floorlaugh: now we're getting somewhere with this ridiculous farce of a suicide ruling! Thank you Sorelle.

 

[Pach]

Rebecca talked to Jonah at 7:34 and to Jonah at 7:39, was the purpose of this calls for the dinner that the 3 of them had ?

This 2 calls were the last cellhphone calls Rebecca had with the brothers.
Now there is an interesting call from Nina Romano at 10:41 pm - this is the last call to Rebecca.
Nina Romano- twin sister of Dina - whats up with that ?
http://fandaily.info/celebrities/dina-romano-dina-shacknais-twin-sister/

cellphone records(thank to tiredblondy)
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=18718&d=1316398212

then there is the matter of calls to the landline phone LOL, thats another angle there.

 

[SunnieRN]

Speaking of Nina, has anyone been able to locate a picture of her anywhere? I have searched high and low, but nothing.

 

[Pach]

if shes the identical twin of Dina , then there you go ... i think this is the one
http://fandaily.info/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/Dina-shacknai-sister-nina-romano.jpg

Speaking of Nina, has anyone been able to locate a picture of her anywhere? I have searched high and low, but nothing.