Refusal to look for a "dead" Caylee?

[manatee]

OOh, yeah, you're right; I'd be freaking out on tv, begging for the kidnappers to give me my child-you don't see any of that with the A's. You WS'ers are a bunch of smart cookies, I'm glad I'm hanging out here!

I would be a complete lunatic and would have probably been arrested for beating the crap out my daughter for lying to me about my grandaughter's whereabouts. Lawyer or no lawyer Baez would have been attacked himself for trying to prevent me from getting the truth out of my daughter. I would have certainly been declared insane at this point.

 

[Cara's Mom]

*snipped!

The contempt I feel for this woman knows no end.[/QUOTE]

I know how you feel. This is just eating away at me. Its the last thing I think about before I fall asleep-cause I pray every night for Caylee.

 

[azwriter]

Even odder that they only seem to call in their tips WHEN Cindy is trying to shift the focus AWAY from one of the actual searches for Caylee.

Didn't Cindy do this 3 times....

BOTH times TES was searching and now during the BP search.

Ohhh, LI_Mom, nice catch. There is a pattern there. All I feel in my mind and heart is that Cindy, George and possibly the invisible Lee, do not want to admit Caylee is dead or her remains to be found. For sure, then, their Casey would be convicted of murder. It appears all they have to hold onto now is keeping Casey from prison and/or receiving DP.

 

[LCoastMom]

You said God knows who rented the car before the McCanns - er did anyone else who rented that car have a child go missing?

And as for no traceable lies...sorry but the whole bunch lied consistently. Yes there were hits on Cuddle cat and Kates clothing and i think also the car keys. There was meant to be rotting food in the McCanns car also to blame the stains. Yes there were hits in the apartment including on a cupboard where some of Kates clothes were. As for the crime scene being compromised that would be by the all and sundry that Kate and Gerry let into the apartment before bothering to call the police. Im sorry but that was only down to the parents and no one else.

And to anyone else im sorry that this post is offtopic but IMO there are many similarities between this case and I do think the McCann case gave Casey and her family ideas.

Isabella, I respectively and strongly disagree with your arguments against either parent in the McCann case.

Kate McCann is a doctor, she, her clothing and her medical bag had all been present at the scene of the death of her patients. All 3 had been in the car and the condo/hotel/apt they were renting. The rental car IIRC had been re-rented before the dogs were called out. The (rental) unit they were vacationing in had been home to how many people?

They were vacationing with another family, surely everyone had been in and out of each others apts. The 'other people in and out of the room, initially had no way of knowing they were tromping all over a crime scene. Wasn't it much more likely Maddie had woken needing to use the potty, confused in her half awake state she went looking for her mommy and daddy?

There were unrelated eye witnesses to a man seen walking from the direction of the hotel, carrying a child Maddie's size, at the estimated time Maddie disappeared. The same man has a police record and I wouldn't let him watch a
dead cat.

Maddie was a much desired child, conceived IIRC after dealing with some fertility issues. Unlike KC the McCanns had no reason to want their beloved child dead. Also unlike KC they alerted the authorities, after that the only way they could have disposed of her body would have been a magic cupboard or something in the apt because the McCanns were never left alone. Also unlike KC there is no evidence pointing to the death of Maddie. In the whole apt they found a single drop of blood, and no evidence the scene had been scrubbed.

If, as you believe the children had been medicated to sleep, why did different parents make rounds to check on all the children every 15 or 20 minutes?

As I said, Kate McCann is a medical doctor, she more so than most parents knows the inherent dangers to medicating young children to sleep, yet if anyone could have done so safely she would be the one. Local police found no such medications in the apt. and no witnesses to the McCanns ever 'self' medicating their children.

The only crime I can see the McCanns committed the nite Maddie disappeared was to be too trusting of their children's safety in a foreign country. On vacation they let their guard down and their beautiful child paid the ultimate price. How tragic is it that we live in a time that it isn't safe for sleeping children left 75 feet from the garden where their parents dined with friends.

It is believed LE was called within 15 minutes of the crime, the person of interest lived walking distance to the hotel. I believe if the same crime, same circumstances happened here in the US, the child would have been found and returned the same nite. I also believe if local police would have looked at someone other than Kate, they may have saved Maddie.

Isabella, sorry if I made any major mistakes, I was going off of memory. With all the horrible things mommy's have been found guilty of over the last few years, some mommy's really do love and care for their children, sometimes loving mommy's make mistakes and the boogie man really does exist.

 

[cyberborg]

ITA. Who even knows the Anthony's Hot Line number? I would have to get online and look it up before I could make that call - wasting time.

No - you're right, If someone actually saw Caylee, they'd be dialing 911 only.
And, if you had a license tag number (As CA claimed), you'd be handing it over to the authorities (FBI or LE) immediately.

It appears to be just more bogus from the defense team. And besides, all these alleged sightings will make CA's book more interesting. moo

Especially considering there is a $225,000 reward for helping find an alive Caylee. Not one to miss.

 

[cyberborg]

I think Casey told her parents some bogus story, and Cindy chooses to believe her. It is obvious from all of the documents released that Caylee is dead.

I agree. CA believes, or chooses to believe that someone who loves Caylee as her own has her. This may be just keeping hope alive but that's the story she has used most recently, most often.

When KC was interviewed at Universal by LE she said she was more scared of CA than Caylee being missing so I an skeptical she has told her -- Trust No one -- if she admitted Caylee was gone she'd lose CA's support.

I think she is allowing CA to believe that Caylee is out there -- for her own manic amusement and because the family are behind her -- even though CA knows/fears Caylee is gone.

 

[cyberborg]

Again, I ask if they believe she is alive due to denial or whatever you choose to call it...why are they not concerned with what is happening to her right this minute?! Where is the sense of urgency here?

Where is the heartfelt begging that this child won't be harmed by the people who may have her? Don't they realize that if Caylee is alive and being passed off from one person to another that she is in worse danger than ever? Don't they understand if they are correct that she could be dead at any moment because they have run out of places to hide Caylee?

Where are the tears for Caylee and the overwhelming sorrow that she is simply not with them right now? Where are the loving grandparents who should be on their hands and knees in front of cameras begging for any signs of life here?

Even in denial you would still find these things if they really believed she was alive. Are you now going to tell me that not only do they feel she is alive, but she is living in this perfect world with people who love her, are feeding her, bathing her, clothing her, and caring for her as much as they do?! What?! Do they think she went to live with a group of nuns who travel around the country while giving her this unconditional love and support?!

Well said. Contrast that to today's A Family meet-and-greet with CA seen smiling and shaking the hands of their supporters, signing volunteers up. They seem to be thriving as the days, weeks, months tick by with Caylee still missing, no firm leads yet - a newly found mission.

 

[njustice]

I have an excellent theory for why CA refuses to search for a dead Caylee.
My theory is this: every time she goes on television fervently claiming that she believes with all of her heart that Caylee is alive, she plants the seed of doubt in someone's head. Can you see it? From "day one" as she likes to say, she has said she will use the media to whatever advantage possible to get her message across. I believe she is now trying to use the media to manipulate public opinion by planting that tiny seed of doubt that could possibly save her daughter. Beyond a reasonable doubt, right? Anyone think I might be on to something with that?

 

[Whisperer]

As I recall the A's were digging up the backyard before LE came, looking for Caylee.:waitasec:...that doesn't exactly scream denial.

It appears people were very busy washing clothes from the car, cleaning the car, clearing the computer and then establishing a website....all done prior to the police getting involved.

They looked for a dead body...now they are looking for a live person and want everyone to search but won't tell us details..........hmmmmmmm.

 

[Thinaire]

You said God knows who rented the car before the McCanns - er did anyone else who rented that car have a child go missing?

And as for no traceable lies...sorry but the whole bunch lied consistently. Yes there were hits on Cuddle cat and Kates clothing and i think also the car keys. There was meant to be rotting food in the McCanns car also to blame the stains. Yes there were hits in the apartment including on a cupboard where some of Kates clothes were. As for the crime scene being compromised that would be by the all and sundry that Kate and Gerry let into the apartment before bothering to call the police. Im sorry but that was only down to the parents and no one else.

And to anyone else im sorry that this post is offtopic but IMO there are many similarities between this case and I do think the McCann case gave Casey and her family ideas.

I so agree Isabella....that and the strange excuses from the parents on WHY the decomp smell was on the toy and Mrs McCann...that she carried to work with her and it got exposed to dead bodies (???)...and her clothes too?

Who drags their childs favorite toy to work where there are dead bodies then weeks later the smell is still present and also in the clothes?

The A's are making the same "out there" excuses for every bit of evidence that comes in about decomp or Caseys actions.

Plus, the poster who pointed out that these children, if indeed missing...who on gods green earth would not be comatose in fear over what their child was facing daily IF alive?

Its is like a handbook for future murders...

 

[Thinaire]

As I recall the A's were digging up the backyard before LE came, looking for Caylee.:waitasec:...that doesn't exactly scream denial.

It appears people were very busy washing clothes from the car, cleaning the car, clearing the computer and then establishing a website....all done prior to the police getting involved.

They looked for a dead body...now they are looking for a live person and want everyone to search but won't tell us details..........hmmmmmmm.

Whisperer, thats what gets me soooo riled up...the callous way they have berated LE and the public. That they prefer to let LE, Equusearch, the public riskthemselves in very dangerous conditions.

Inexcusable..

 

[Thinaire]

I have an excellent theory for why CA refuses to search for a dead Caylee.
My theory is this: every time she goes on television fervently claiming that she believes with all of her heart that Caylee is alive, she plants the seed of doubt in someone's head. Can you see it? From "day one" as she likes to say, she has said she will use the media to whatever advantage possible to get her message across. I believe she is now trying to use the media to manipulate public opinion by planting that tiny seed of doubt that could possibly save her daughter. Beyond a reasonable doubt, right? Anyone think I might be on to something with that?

:clap: Yup...just one juror is all they want...and there will people that buy into their bullpoopy...

 

[concentric]

You would think so, huh? Even if they had proof she was still alive (which they do not), how could they have proof she wasn't being raped, tortured, molested, injured, abused, or otherwise subjected to horrific scenarios? Why wouldn't their moods reflect this aspect of possibilities and why we wouldn't hear them begging for the people who have her to provide evidence she is OK?!

I think you said this before on another thread and it is absolutely the truth of the matter.

The picture of this meet and greet juxtaposed against that of a missing child, which by that definition is endangered is absurd and beyond comprehension for most people.

 

[Isabella]

Isabella, I respectively and strongly disagree with your arguments against either parent in the McCann case.

Kate McCann is a doctor, she, her clothing and her medical bag had all been present at the scene of the death of her patients. All 3 had been in the car and the condo/hotel/apt they were renting. The rental car IIRC had been re-rented before the dogs were called out. The (rental) unit they were vacationing in had been home to how many people?

They were vacationing with another family, surely everyone had been in and out of each others apts. The 'other people in and out of the room, initially had no way of knowing they were tromping all over a crime scene. Wasn't it much more likely Maddie had woken needing to use the potty, confused in her half awake state she went looking for her mommy and daddy?

There were unrelated eye witnesses to a man seen walking from the direction of the hotel, carrying a child Maddie's size, at the estimated time Maddie disappeared. The same man has a police record and I wouldn't let him watch a
dead cat.

Maddie was a much desired child, conceived IIRC after dealing with some fertility issues. Unlike KC the McCanns had no reason to want their beloved child dead. Also unlike KC they alerted the authorities, after that the only way they could have disposed of her body would have been a magic cupboard or something in the apt because the McCanns were never left alone. Also unlike KC there is no evidence pointing to the death of Maddie. In the whole apt they found a single drop of blood, and no evidence the scene had been scrubbed.

If, as you believe the children had been medicated to sleep, why did different parents make rounds to check on all the children every 15 or 20 minutes?

As I said, Kate McCann is a medical doctor, she more so than most parents knows the inherent dangers to medicating young children to sleep, yet if anyone could have done so safely she would be the one. Local police found no such medications in the apt. and no witnesses to the McCanns ever 'self' medicating their children.

The only crime I can see the McCanns committed the nite Maddie disappeared was to be too trusting of their children's safety in a foreign country. On vacation they let their guard down and their beautiful child paid the ultimate price. How tragic is it that we live in a time that it isn't safe for sleeping children left 75 feet from the garden where their parents dined with friends.

It is believed LE was called within 15 minutes of the crime, the person of interest lived walking distance to the hotel. I believe if the same crime, same circumstances happened here in the US, the child would have been found and returned the same nite. I also believe if local police would have looked at someone other than Kate, they may have saved Maddie.

Isabella, sorry if I made any major mistakes, I was going off of memory. With all the horrible things mommy's have been found guilty of over the last few years, some mommy's really do love and care for their children, sometimes loving mommy's make mistakes and the boogie man really does exist.

I actually disagree with a lot of your post. I followed the case very very closely in both the English and Portugese papers. I live just a few miles from the McCanns.

Kate McCann was a PART time doctor. She worked just a few hours a week now and then. She would not have been with many dead patients at all let alone SIX in the two weeks before she went on holiday. Its just not the way it works here. And she supposedly took her daughters toy to dead peoples houses? Right ...and then washed it just before the police was going to check it. And so she suppsedly wears her holiday clothes to work? shorts and teeshirts?

Checks were not done every 15 or 20 mins at all. Granted the friends changed the story every time they was interviewd...Gerry checked at 9 and then Kate at 10. One of the friends allegedly checked at 9.30 but his statement dont make sense either.

As for when they disposed of Madeline they had many hours they could have done it that day before she was even reported missing. And what guy with a criminal record do you claim was seeen carrying a child from that apartment at the right time? Cos the simple fact there is a witness made a statement to the police that he saw a guy by the beach carrying a child who appeared to be sleeping. The guy he claims to have seen was Gerry McCann.

The police were not called within 15 mins of the crime being uncovered. It was actually some time after that. In fact one of the neighbours offered to call the police and Kate said they had already been called when in fact they hadnt.

The fact that they had IVF does not mean nothing could happen to that child. Kate had problems controlling her daughter. Sometimes people snap

I disagree had it happened in America she would have been returned the same night. It was the parents and there friends who impeeded the truth but none of them being able to tell the same stories.

And 75 feet from where there parents were? Try doubling that IMO

Similarities

Both Kate and Casey needed help to look after there daughters
Both have a "missing" daughter supposedly kidnapped
Neither actually look for there child
Neither work with the police
Both blame food for anything suspicious in car
Both families claim there child is alive and require money
Both Casey and Kate want to be childrens advocates
Both mothers put there social lives before the welfare of their child
Both familes refuse to admit shes dead
Both families want tips to go to them and not police - both families criticise the police while not doing anything themselves.
Parents in both cases are totally calm and dont seem to care there daughters are "missing"

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Originally Posted by njustice
I have an excellent theory for why CA refuses to search for a dead Caylee.
My theory is this: every time she goes on television fervently claiming that she believes with all of her heart that Caylee is alive, she plants the seed of doubt in someone's head. Can you see it? From "day one" as she likes to say, she has said she will use the media to whatever advantage possible to get her message across. I believe she is now trying to use the media to manipulate public opinion by planting that tiny seed of doubt that could possibly save her daughter. Beyond a reasonable doubt, right? Anyone think I might be on to something with that?

Of course! This has been behind even some of the most insane explanations we have witnessed here, too.

Reasonable doubt will cease for the jurors when the evidence is presented, however. Also when her "friends" testify about her being out partying every night, the photos (if allowed), the internet searches, the text messages, her own words (lies), and the rest of it will take care of whatever spin Cindy want to throw out there now.

 

[SeriouslySearching]

Please take the discussion of M. M. to the proper forum. It doesn't belong here, imo.

 

[Mouser]

This case is exhausting me, and the Anthonys are older than me, so I'm wondering how much longer they can hold up like this. I keep thinking that at some point they're going to wear out and admit defeat (or rather, the truth--which I'm sure will feel like defeat). But I agree with others here that every time they pubicly express the conviction that Caylee is alive they win a measure of "reasonable doubt".

 

[SeriouslySearching]

I think you said this before on another thread and it is absolutely the truth of the matter.

The picture of this meet and greet juxtaposed against that of a missing child, which by that definition is endangered is absurd and beyond comprehension for most people.

This is the part that the A fam and their attorney do not understand for some reason and no one is bringing it up to them in the media which I do not understand! I am tired of the milky toast reporters catering to Cindy and George. Ask the tough questions!! They won't get any answers, but they may get a scene instead. It keeps them exposed as to their true motives here.

 

[donnam]

Er, this isn't the place for this, but. . .I believe Madeleine is probably still alive. I don't quite think the 2 cases compare on all levels. In the McCann case there were pedophile links, police abuse links, here there aren't. I believe the Anthony case is one of a kind.

I agree. Also isn't the same as the Eisenberg case. Neither of the above cases showed any evidence that the children are dead. Here we have no evidence that Caylee IS alive. ALL evidence points to her being deceased.

 

[donnam]

I would be a complete lunatic and would have probably been arrested for beating the crap out my daughter for lying to me about my grandaughter's whereabouts. Lawyer or no lawyer Baez would have been attacked himself for trying to prevent me from getting the truth out of my daughter. I would have certainly been declared insane at this point.

See that is where I agree also and I differ from the Anthony's. No matter how much I would WANT to believe my daughter would never do such a horrendous thing to Karmella, her days here under house arrest would have been worse then ANY police interrogation. There would have been no sitting in her room on her computer, no watching TV, no doing her hair and nails. EVERY minute would have been spent by ME badgering her on the whereabouts of my grandchild!!! She would be lucky if I allowed her to EAT and sleep.